So what about the fourth commandment?

Grace777x70 · Jul 3, 2016

Here is Paul talking about the law of Moses.

Acts 13:39 (KJV)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Here are the Jewish believing Pharisees telling people to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. ( does this verse sound familiar to what is going on today? )

If we break one law - we break them all.

James 2:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

All modern day "law-keepers" are guilty of breaking the law every day and yet they try to say others need to keep it.

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

ok, let's add in a little context. The law is not for justification (salvation). It never was. As far as Acts 15, you need to keep reading. Brother James tells them that the new believers can learn more about the law of Moses in synagogue. >>

Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and
[from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood .For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 15:19-21 (KJV)

Grace777x70 · Jul 3, 2016

Galatians 3:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

[SUP]12 [/SUP] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Galatians 3:24-26 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[SUP]25 [/SUP] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

[SUP]26 [/SUP] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 4:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

James 2:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

Do not commit spiritual adultery on the Lord Jesus who gave His life for us and go back to the law.

HS · Jul 3, 2016

disciplemike said:

That may be true as I can not read Hebrew yet. But I thought fussing about Jesus' names might be covered by Romans 14.

Depleted · Jul 3, 2016

disciplemike said:

ok, let's add in a little context. The law is not for justification (salvation). It never was. As far as Acts 15, you need to keep reading. Brother James tells them that the new believers can learn more about the law of Moses in synagogue. >>

Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and
[from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood .For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Acts 15:19-21 (KJV)

You're very selective in answering. You've ignored most questions.

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

Depleted said:

I don't think I have ignored questions, at least not intentionally. It is about 20 to 1 here, okay. What did I miss? Send me a message if you want.

Grace777x70 · Jul 3, 2016

Here is a great website that thoroughly disputes the "law-keepers" position.

This is a link to " 12 undeniable truths that drive "law-keepers" crazy."

https://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordp...keepers-crazy/

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Huge posts sir, but if I will take each passage one at the time, if you take time to read my response, I will answer every one.
First, Gal 3, again, you only took a portion, but keep reading>>>Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though
[it be] but a man's covenant, yet [if it be] confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Galatians 3:15-17 (KJV)

We can't keep the law to obtain justification (salvation), because that was not what the law was for. Read what Shaul is saying, The promise of salvation came through Abraham. If it had to be won in a contest, by keeping the law, then it is not a promise. God is not a promise breaker! That still does not mean you throw out the instruction book (the law).

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

HS said:

a basic knowledge of Hebrew is fairly easy to learn. There are some good teachings on YouTube. In my opinion, it is easier to learn than English. But I am not a master at it, but I can read most of it, slowly. Besides, you really don't even have to learn it persay, to start. Just use a good concordance.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 3, 2016

disciplemike said:

James was referring to the Noahide laws that gentile proselytes were required to observe in order to attend the synagogues.

link > http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...never-been-under-law-moses-3.html#post2323223

link > http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...never-been-under-law-moses-3.html#post2323303

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Sir, thank you for the link, but I probably won't have time to work it in. I have pretty much examined all sides of this for the last 4 years. I am convinced that we need to obey the King, as much as possible, not for salvation, but because He loves us and wants the best for us. It is really not a burden at all, like we were taught. Thank you again.

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

no such thing as Noahide laws. Sorry.

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Acts 15, where James tells them that the new believers can learn about the law of Moses in synagogue. right.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 3, 2016

disciplemike said:

What state did you say you live in? Oh that's right - Denial.

Grace777x70 · Jul 3, 2016

The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state. Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ Gal 3:24

The law is good and holy! But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

The law is not for the righteous but for the unrighteous.

1 Timothy 1:6-9 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion,

[SUP]7 [/SUP]wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,

[SUP]9[/SUP] realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers

Col 2:13-15 is where in says that Christ "disarmed" satan having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and He nailed it to the cross. Satan uses the law against us.

Satan comes and says to you - you broke the law - you are condemned now according to the law. BUT our Lord took that punishment for breaking that law for us. When Christ takes away the condemnation of the law which satan uses against when he accuses us - he is being "disarmed".

If disarmed means anything - it means he did have a weapon but now he doesn't because of our Lord. How great is our salvation in Him!

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state. Rom 3:20
Because Ephraim hath made many altars to sin, altars shall be unto him to sin.I have written to him the great things of my law,
[but] they were counted as a strange thing. Hosea 8:11-12 (KJV)

Grace777x70 · Jul 3, 2016

True believers in Christ are dead to the law...the law is not of faith...the law was not made for the righteous and we are the righteous in Christ.

We have a new law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of love, the law of liberty and it is really the law of Jesus in our new hearts.

If you fail to keep just one law - you are guilty of it all James said.

We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all things. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ will stop us from having sex with animals as in Lev. 18:23. I don't need to know the law that says not to have sex with animals.

The law of love in Christ will lead us not to commit adultery either physically or in our hearts.

We can either live by the spirit or by the flesh which is trying to keep the law. The law of Moses was a flesh covenant in that people had to perform in order to achieve things from God. ( the law itself is spiritual and it speaks of Christ Himself - which is why He fulfilled it for us ).

We can trust the Spirit of God in us and the life of Christ in us to lead us in all situations. Jesus is more then enough!

Don't commit spiritual adultery by going back to law keeping because we died with Christ on the cross and rose to newness of life in Him. Romans 7:1-6 talks about being joined to another now that we are dead to the law and it is Christ.

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

well, I did live there for a few years. But then I started to go by what Scripture says instead of a SUN-day school teacher.

ukok102nak · Jul 3, 2016

as it is written
:read:
17*Respect all, love the brotherhood, fear Elohim, respect the sovereign.
18*Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the crooked ones.
19*For this is favour, if because of conscience toward Elohim anyone bears up under grief, suffering unrighteously.
20*For what credit is there in enduring a beating when you sin? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure, this finds favour with Elohim.
21*For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps,f
22*“who committed no sin,g nor was deceit found in His mouth,”h
23*who, being reviled, did not revile in return; suffering, did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously;
~:> TS 1998 VERSION OF HOLY BIBLE

:ty:

godbless us all always

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

True believers in Christ are dead to the law...the law is not of faith...the law was not made for the righteous and we are the righteous in Christ.

James says be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only.
of the laws that are applicable to us, which ones do you want to throw out? God says His law is perfect. Now which one do you get rid of first?

So what about the fourth commandment?

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