That whole passage is about having mercy... if we don't show mercy, we will not be shown mercy. The "tormenters", or jailers, were the punishment for the man in the parable. The point is not that we will be tormented, it is that we will not be shown mercy.... read with understanding, not to reach a pre-conceived notion.
Can we all agree on this...
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No offense, but I believe you both may be wrong. The "tormentors" in the parable are those in Hell, not while the unforgiver was living. Yes, the parable was about forgiveness, but also about God's wrath on unforgivers who had been forgiven. He was to receive a harsh sentence for not passing forgiveness along, because he himself was forgiven by the Judge. This is a judgement on someone who once had been righteous.
Luke 12:45-48 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; [SUP]46 [/SUP]The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. [SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. [SUP]48 [/SUP]But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
On a more personal note, this is why spreading false doctrine is so dangerous. The "spreader" will receive such a sentence for ignoring saving truth, for much was given to him.
Luke 12:45-48 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; [SUP]46 [/SUP]The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. [SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. [SUP]48 [/SUP]But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
On a more personal note, this is why spreading false doctrine is so dangerous. The "spreader" will receive such a sentence for ignoring saving truth, for much was given to him.
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[FONT="]2 Peter 3:8[/FONT]
[FONT="]But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord oneday is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.[/FONT]
[FONT="]But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord oneday is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.[/FONT]
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From Chapter Three: The Masonic Doctrine of God
Chapter Three
The Masonic Doctrine of God
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According to Allen E. Roberts, "In his private devotions a Mason will pray to Jehovah, Mohammed, Allah, Jesus, or the deity of his choice."[SUP](3)[/SUP] In the lower degrees of the Blue Lodge, Freemasonry purposely attributes many ambiguous names to what it refers to as "God" to avoid offending any of its members. Among these names are "The Great Architect of the Universe," "The Governor of the World," "The Nameless One of a Thousand Names," etc. One Masonic periodical stated:
Chapter Three
The Masonic Doctrine of God
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The All-Inclusive Deity of Freemasonry
Freemasonry’s lodges are erected to God.... Symbolically, to "erect to God" means to construct something in honor, in worship, in reverence to and for him. Hardly is the initiate within the West Gate before he is impressed that Freemasonry worships God.[SUP](1)[/SUP]
Let no man enter any great or important undertaking without first evoking the aid of Deity.... The trust of a Mason is in God.[SUP](2)[/SUP]
Having established that Freemasonry is indeed a religion, it should not surprise us that "worship" is conducted within the walls of the Lodge. However, since we are told that "Freemasonry is not Christianity," the question before us is, Just who is worshipped as "God" by Masons?Let no man enter any great or important undertaking without first evoking the aid of Deity.... The trust of a Mason is in God.[SUP](2)[/SUP]
According to Allen E. Roberts, "In his private devotions a Mason will pray to Jehovah, Mohammed, Allah, Jesus, or the deity of his choice."[SUP](3)[/SUP] In the lower degrees of the Blue Lodge, Freemasonry purposely attributes many ambiguous names to what it refers to as "God" to avoid offending any of its members. Among these names are "The Great Architect of the Universe," "The Governor of the World," "The Nameless One of a Thousand Names," etc. One Masonic periodical stated:
[The Mason] prays to the Grand Artificer or the Great Architect of the Universe. Under that title men of all faiths may find each his own Deity. Failure to mention any deity by name is not denial, but merely the practice of a gracious courtesy, so that each man for whom the prayer is offered can hear the name of his own deity in the all inclusive title of Great Architect.[SUP](4)[/SUP]
I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, nor am I going to argue with you. I have nothing against Magenta either. I'm just explaining a truth I've known for years.
I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, nor am I going to argue with you. I have nothing against Magenta either. I'm just explaining a truth I've known for years.
Hebrews 11:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He was in the beginning with God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
We can agree that Jesus Christ is the Word.
We can agree that Jesus Christ is with God.
We can agree that Jesus Christ IS God.
And we can agree that Jesus Christ IS His name.
And we can agree on that the Son of God was NOT created.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He was in the beginning with God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
We can agree that Jesus Christ is the Word.
We can agree that Jesus Christ is with God.
We can agree that Jesus Christ IS God.
And we can agree that Jesus Christ IS His name.
And we can agree on that the Son of God was NOT created.
I just agreed with your post. Some of us don't have time to read every post in a thread
I know, but when you sees likes before, and after, and yours sits unliked, well, it makes me think I need a breath mint or something.
Thanks. As I recently stated, some of us have no life, and need validation from our computers. It's the 'I need to get out more, but there's no where to go and no one to go with' syndrome my life has become.
Thank you, you're so kind.
I know, but when you sees likes before, and after, and yours sits unliked, well, it makes me think I need a breath mint or something.
Thanks. As I recently stated, some of us have no life, and need validation from our computers. It's the 'I need to get out more, but there's no where to go and no one to go with' syndrome my life has become.
I know, but when you sees likes before, and after, and yours sits unliked, well, it makes me think I need a breath mint or something.
Thanks. As I recently stated, some of us have no life, and need validation from our computers. It's the 'I need to get out more, but there's no where to go and no one to go with' syndrome my life has become.
Well I like YOU!
And I feel I have coffee breath now so I know I need a mint!
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Thank you, you're so kind.
I know, but when you sees likes before, and after, and yours sits unliked, well, it makes me think I need a breath mint or something.
Thanks. As I recently stated, some of us have no life, and need validation from our computers. It's the 'I need to get out more, but there's no where to go and no one to go with' syndrome my life has become.
I know, but when you sees likes before, and after, and yours sits unliked, well, it makes me think I need a breath mint or something.
Thanks. As I recently stated, some of us have no life, and need validation from our computers. It's the 'I need to get out more, but there's no where to go and no one to go with' syndrome my life has become.
