Not everything happens for a reason

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Silverwings

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Not necessarily. Rape survivors (I will NOT call them "victims") often share their stories with others who have gone through the same thing. I shared my story on here and it has helped alot of other survivors. :) My ordeals have only made me stronger, and more able to relate to another who has just gone through it and is shell shocked. No offense, Silver, but you don't give the survivors of rape much credit at all. I've been raped, had cancer, tried suicide, been incapacitated in bed in absolute agony for over a year, and have lifelong depression. If you read ANYONE'S testimony on here, you will see how they overcame their circumstances in the face of death and adversity. I admire each person who is strong enough to tell their success story on here. :) Read anybody's testimony and you will see that they know there IS a reason for each trial that has come their way...
And also, God said that those who believe in Him would be persecuted and killed for his name's sake. The result of that is the apostles being beheaded, and why ISIS is killing christians.
He knew it would happen but it is not nor was it ever His will
He knows the outcome of things, but it does not mean that causes them to happen
I wish above all things that you would prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers.
If ye, being evil know how to give good things to your children, how much more will your Father in Heaven give unto you?
 
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By Christine Suhan
Have you ever found yourself, in the midst of unimaginable grief, pain, heartache or despair, wondering how you are going to make it through another day? Wondering where your next breath is going to come from? Your world has crumbled beneath you and you are left feeling shattered, empty and hopeless.
And then a well meaning friend or family member comes along and drops the infamous “Everything happens for a reason” bomb. You smile kindly and nod—that’s all you can do to keep yourself from punching them in the face.
You can’t possibly imagine a reason for what just happened.
The more you stew about a possible reason for your pain, the angrier you become. You try desperately to make sense of a situation that won’t ever make sense. You reach for answers but none come.
I spent years searching for answers, trying to find reasons that would bring an end to my pain. I thought that if I could find the cause, I could treat the condition. But what I found through years of searching, experiencing and living is that often there is no reason for why tragedy has occurred.
Sometimes bad things happen for no reason other than we are human beings having a human experience. Pain, heartache, grief, loss, disease and death are inevitable parts of the human experience.
We hear people say “Life dealt me a crappy hand” as if pain and hardships are not the norm. We assume that life is supposed to be easy and when things don’t go our way, we feel like we have been wronged. Human beings seem to have an innate sense of entitlement. We think that we are owed a pain-free existence.
But the truth is that human beings are not exempt from the human experience. And struggle is an innate part of the human experience. None of us are exceptions to this rule. We all struggle. We all suffer. We all experience pain, heartache and loss. And sometimes, there’s just no reason other than we are human and pain is a part of the process.
I recently had a conversation with a friend who was struggling to find peace with “God’s plan” for her life including the recent death of a loved one.
“How could this possibly be God’s will?” she asked.
Here’s what I’ve come to know about God’s will:
God’s will is not the path we walk, but rather how we walk the path.
God’s plan is never for someone to have cancer. God’s will is not for an innocent child to be brutally murdered. God’s will is not for a teenage girl to be raped. God’s will is not chronic pain, illness, disability or death.
God’s will is not an event that happens to us, it’s how we respond to what happens.
God’s will for us is to walk with Him through the cancer. Through the abuse. Through the death. Through the illness. God’s will is for us to draw close to him in the midst of pain. God’s will is for us to use our painful life events to carry his message of hope, grace, forgiveness and mercy.
God’s plan was never for pain to be part of the human experience. His plan was for us to live in peace and harmony with Him. The human experience became painful when sin entered the world. Our own free will weaved threads of tragedy, loss, heartache and pain into the human experience

God is not responsible for our pain. We are not responsible for our pain. What happened in the Garden of Eden is responsible for the human condition. And the human condition is hard wired for pain and suffering. God is not causing us to hurt. He is hurting with us. What we do with our hurt is what matters. How we handle tragedy is what brings purpose into our pain.
There’s hardly ever a justifiable reason for the bad things that happen in life. Tragic loss is not laced with inherent specs of good. I used to get so mad when people would say, “You can find good in every situation.” That’s just not true. There was nothing good about being raped. There is no good in murder or abuse. We have to create the good. We have to choose to respond in a way that brings good into an impossible situation. We have to choose to give purpose and meaning to our suffering.
Not everything happens for a reason. But in everything that happens, there can be a reason to bring hope and healing to others. God can use our pain for a greater good if we choose to let Him in.
About the Author: Christine Suhan is a wife, stay at home mother to three wild toddler boys and writer/creator at Feelings and Faith | Feelings and Faith. She has a master’s degree in marriage and family therapy and enjoys helping people through openly and honestly sharing her journey of life, recovery, mental illness, marriage, parenting and more. You can also find her on her Facebook page.
I had to stop midway, because that is the most hopeless junk I've read in a long time. God is inept, so stuff happens? Naahhhhhhhhhhh!
 
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I have to agree with Silverwings, actually. Somethings in life just happens. It doesn't necessarily need a reason.
Which makes Rom. 8:28 a lie.
 
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Yes & the cause for someone getting raped is because of evil intentions in another.
Nope. And the cause was God. And it worked out for good for me. He saved my life twice that night -- from the rapists and from my own self-destruction that put me in that spot. And it has helped others. And I'm absolutely sure I'm only seeing the tip of the iceberg on all the other reasons God had that happen to me. God isn't inept.
 
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God can bring good out of any situation but He is not the author of evil.
No, he's the creator of the universe. And in the fifth day he created all the living creatures to swarm in the seas. And centuries and centuries later, one of descendents of those swarming things swallowed Jonah. I'm sure Jonah thought that was evil too, but it wasn't. It was God working out his will strongly.
 
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I agree that God can bring good out of bad situations, but I refuse to believe that in every case God was the author of it.
And there's the problem. I have a hard time getting why God did a bunch of things he did. Thousands were killed by him for making something to look at while they worship God? 28,000 were killed for shacking up with the local girls in the wilderness? How many shack up with local girls in America every day? But they aren't killed in such great numbers. I don't get it, but I'm not taking the next step and refuse it.
 

jsr1221

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Which makes Rom. 8:28 a lie.
Not really. That doesn't mean He causes them to happen. As I told Blue, He's not saying "Yes! This is working for my Will!" as a child is crying from being abused. As a woman is crying from being raped. God can bring someone out of the situation, but that doesn't mean He caused. That thinking is why the secular world thinks Christianity is either a joke, evil, or both.
 

oyster67

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God brought good out of them, but I do not believe He was the author of them.
How we react to bad things tells us so much about ourselves; does it makes hateful, bitter, fearful? Can we refuse to curse God the way Job did?

(2Tim 1:7 [KJV])
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
 

oyster67

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Not necessarily. Rape survivors (I will NOT call them "victims") often share their stories with others who have gone through the same thing. I shared my story on here and it has helped alot of other survivors. :) My ordeals have only made me stronger, and more able to relate to another who has just gone through it and is shell shocked. No offense, Silver, but you don't give the survivors of rape much credit at all. I've been raped, had cancer, tried suicide, been incapacitated in bed in absolute agony for over a year, and have lifelong depression. If you read ANYONE'S testimony on here, you will see how they overcame their circumstances in the face of death and adversity. I admire each person who is strong enough to tell their success story on here. :) Read anybody's testimony and you will see that they know there IS a reason for each trial that has come their way...
(Rev 12:11 [KJV])
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
 
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Not really. That doesn't mean He causes them to happen. As I told Blue, He's not saying "Yes! This is working for my Will!" as a child is crying from being abused. As a woman is crying from being raped. God can bring someone out of the situation, but that doesn't mean He caused. That thinking is why the secular world thinks Christianity is either a joke, evil, or both.
They think it's a joke because so many teach "God is there sometimes, but not always. He just can't help some stuff. It's not his fault. He's omnipotent, but not THAT omnipotent." They laugh because christians don't even trust God all that much, yet expect everyone to follow this god they can't even trust.
 

oyster67

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I would post the question on the tech support forum if you can't post videos and such....probably a compatiblity problem...do you have a New computer or something?


Doubt that the admins or mods blocked your posting of such. Plus I would hope they would send a message if they did.

You could pm some mods but they prefer you use the report button for offensive posts or the tech support forum for technical questions.
Now there is an idea; just ask and hit the report button?
 

jsr1221

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They think it's a joke because so many teach "God is there sometimes, but not always. He just can't help some stuff. It's not his fault. He's omnipotent, but not THAT omnipotent." They laugh because christians don't even trust God all that much, yet expect everyone to follow this god they can't even trust.
They think it's a joke because Christians have this mindset where God says "I love you. So I'm going to send this evil man, who knows nothing about Me, to go do harmful things to you. And as he's doing those harmful things to you, he will show you My love". That takes free will and choice right out of the equation. The fact that someone in this thread said that something horrible to us glorifies God shows why this world is the way it is.
 
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oyster67

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I never said he takes pleasure in torturing his children. But the fact is, He allowed Jesus to be tortured. He abandoned Jesus in his time of need. Did he get pleasure from watching Jesus suffer? Absolutely not. But he couldn't stop what was happening, because it was all part of his master plan for the souls of the people that Jesus died to save.
(Luke 14:27 [KJV])
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
 

blue_ladybug

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They think it's a joke because Christians have this mindset where God says "I love you. So I'm going to send this evil man, who knows nothing about Me, to go do harmful things to you. And as he's doing those harmful things to you, he will show you My love". That takes free will and choice right out of the equation. The fact that someone in this thread said that something horrible to us glorifies God shows why this world is the way it is.

Look, God uses horrible things to his glory all the time. Or are you blind? Survivors of bad situations give glory to God for it all the time. I THANK him for giving me cancer! And cancer is a horrible thing to go through. But I learned many lessons from it, and I've shared my story. Not bragging, but my survivor stories have helped dozens and dozens of people on here!! THAT IS GLORIFYING TO GOD. :)
 

jsr1221

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Look, God uses horrible things to his glory all the time. Or are you blind? Survivors of bad situations give glory to God for it all the time. I THANK him for giving me cancer! And cancer is a horrible thing to go through. But I learned many lessons from it, and I've shared my story. Not bragging, but my survivor stories have helped dozens and dozens of people on here!! THAT IS GLORIFYING TO GOD. :)
Well, I do have bad eye sight actually. So thank you for asking if I'm blind. And that doesn't mean He causes the bad things. Using that logic, He causes us to sin then? I can choose my routine at work. Is God coming up with a reason? No. He's allowing me to use my own free will.
 
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oyster67

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Look, God uses horrible things to his glory all the time. Or are you blind? Survivors of bad situations give glory to God for it all the time. I THANK him for giving me cancer! And cancer is a horrible thing to go through. But I learned many lessons from it, and I've shared my story. Not bragging, but my survivor stories have helped dozens and dozens of people on here!! THAT IS GLORIFYING TO GOD. :)
(Deut 31:8 [KJV])
And the LORD, he [it is] that doth go before thee; he will be with thee, he will not fail thee, neither forsake thee: fear not, neither be dismayed.

Sometimes He takes us over things and around things, but often He takes us through them. He has been there, He knows the way, He will be with us like He was with Shadrak, Meshak, and Abednego. They didn't know if they would be delivered, but they knew they would not be forsaken. They saw an opportunity to please God with their faith and trust in Him. They had their spiritual eyes focused on the bigger picture.
 

blue_ladybug

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Well, I do have bad eye sight actually. So thank you for asking if I'm blind. And that doesn't mean He causes the bad things. Using that logic, He causes us to sin then? I can choose my routine at work. Is God coming up with a reason? No. He's allowing me to use my own free will.
He allowed sin into this world to begin with. We are born into sin, so naturally we sin. If God had no reason to have Jesus die to save souls, then why He allow him to suffer and be tortured? BECAUSE HE HAD A REASON FOR IT. When bad things happen, God has a reason for it. Whether you want to believe it or not, it's true.
 

jsr1221

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He allowed sin into this world to begin with. We are born into sin, so naturally we sin. If God had no reason to have Jesus die to save souls, then why He allow him to suffer and be tortured? BECAUSE HE HAD A REASON FOR IT. When bad things happen, God has a reason for it. Whether you want to believe it or not, it's true.
I didn't ask if He allowed it. I asked if He causes it. Causing it and allowing it are two different things. Evil is sin. So does He cause sin?