Our mortal enemy has deceived the church with many lies!
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It should be pretty plain what he meant.
Abraham did fine without the 10 commandments.
Abraham obeyed all Gods Commandments. That was before the 10 commandments so there is no way of knowing what all of Gods Commandments to Abraham were. All of Gods Commandments to Abraham weren't written down. What was written down was that Abrahams faith is what was accounted to him as righteousness.
You are applying your theology to what is written.
Which is what EternallyGrateful said.
Abraham did fine without the 10 commandments.
Abraham obeyed all Gods Commandments. That was before the 10 commandments so there is no way of knowing what all of Gods Commandments to Abraham were. All of Gods Commandments to Abraham weren't written down. What was written down was that Abrahams faith is what was accounted to him as righteousness.
You are applying your theology to what is written.
Which is what EternallyGrateful said.
Abraham was under the Law. Today we are under Grace.
The only commandments we were told to keep was the two greatest Commandments and a few of the Ten Commandments.
Matthew 22:36-40
[SUP]36 [/SUP]“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” [SUP]37 [/SUP]And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the great and foremost commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
Do you disciplemike keep these Commandments?
The only commandments we were told to keep was the two greatest Commandments and a few of the Ten Commandments.
Matthew 22:36-40
[SUP]36 [/SUP]“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” [SUP]37 [/SUP]And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the great and foremost commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
Do you disciplemike keep these Commandments?
Uh, someone forgot to tell God about that. 
"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." - Gen 26:5
"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." - Gen 26:5
Ro 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Abraham lived 400 years before the law was given to Moses. Abraham was not even circumcised when God told Abraham that he and his wife would have a child. Abraham still tried to circumvent Gods word and had a child with a concubine which caused much distress.
Not to worry as Paul pointed all this out to the Jews and it is one of the reasons why they rejected Jesus as their Messiah.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Not to worry as Paul pointed all this out to the Jews and it is one of the reasons why they rejected Jesus as their Messiah.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There is no scriptural evidence that Abraham believed in a resurrection. Abraham had no need to anticipate a future Savior. God already told him that he was his shield. As the head of a large nomadic clan and possessor of great riches, Abraham was already living in the golden age as far as he was concerned. Abraham did not pine away for “salvation” or an afterlife. He had lived a full and blessed life, he accepted that he was mortal, and the only thing left that God could offer him was that his name and his DNA would be carried into the future by a people who would live in the land that God had promised him. And this Abraham received, in spades.
Certainly, Jesus told a story about the other world with Abraham and Lazarus, but I don't see any Hebrew/Israelite anticipation of a resurrection before the influence of the Greeks, which we see with the Book of Daniel, written late 2nd Century BC. If anyone has a counter-example I'd love to see it, I'm here to learn, as I said.
Hello Talishi,
I would point out that the word of God is not a matter of influence, For God is the author.
- Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, whether written in Hebrew or Greek, God is the author. And since God is the author, the following is in reference to the resurrection regarding Israel:
- At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
I would point out that the word of God is not a matter of influence, For God is the author.
- Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Therefore, whether written in Hebrew or Greek, God is the author. And since God is the author, the following is in reference to the resurrection regarding Israel:
- At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
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Yes indeed. That is, I believe, the sole OT reference to a future reference (aside from some shaky passages in Job) and due to evidence of the use of Greek idioms in the text, among other disputable issues, I am given to understand that Daniel was written in about 174 BC, when Judea had been thoroughly infiltrated with Greek ideas of the afterlife.
The above shows the spirit in which EG comes
"Yell" "scream" "water down" "run away"
What can I say? Do you know Jesus at all, in your heart, deep down?
For decades spent in legalism, arguing for strict morality, and now raving against legalism
as the evil of the church, sounds to me like you have no real clue inside yourself.
And this summarises all our problems. Unless we can lay all before the Father and know
Jesus and His love in our hearts all is folly, blowing in the wind.
The fruit of someone is this reality. If they lie and miss-construe, show no attempt to
understand the person or care about what salvation and life actually is, it is all just an
attempt to make sense of the world without addressing the heart.
Why was Samson a man of God? Why was David a man of God?
Why was Moses a man of God? Why did Bathsheba become part of the line of Jesus?
Where you heart is matters, knowing how to love?
The thief on the cross saw himself and saw Jesus and knew the value of this man?
So EG, you see something I do not bring or say, something I am not, and which in the
end you cannot answer except to lie about. I think this defines lostness.
God bless you, and I pray whatever drives you to this hyper state may calm and you
can just accept you are called to love just as you are loved, and that is it.
"Yell" "scream" "water down" "run away"
What can I say? Do you know Jesus at all, in your heart, deep down?
For decades spent in legalism, arguing for strict morality, and now raving against legalism
as the evil of the church, sounds to me like you have no real clue inside yourself.
And this summarises all our problems. Unless we can lay all before the Father and know
Jesus and His love in our hearts all is folly, blowing in the wind.
The fruit of someone is this reality. If they lie and miss-construe, show no attempt to
understand the person or care about what salvation and life actually is, it is all just an
attempt to make sense of the world without addressing the heart.
Why was Samson a man of God? Why was David a man of God?
Why was Moses a man of God? Why did Bathsheba become part of the line of Jesus?
Where you heart is matters, knowing how to love?
The thief on the cross saw himself and saw Jesus and knew the value of this man?
So EG, you see something I do not bring or say, something I am not, and which in the
end you cannot answer except to lie about. I think this defines lostness.
God bless you, and I pray whatever drives you to this hyper state may calm and you
can just accept you are called to love just as you are loved, and that is it.