Book of Enoch, chapter 6

[RBA238]

Ok, good case made./s I guess you are the final authority on this? I though that was what Genesis said, the "sons of God" looked down and saw the women looked good and wanted to come down to take them as wives. I mean you can just arbitrarily say "wrong, wrong, wrong", but scripture fits the fallen angel thing 10 to 1 better than any other interpretation I've heard yet. Please don't tell me you think the "sons of God" mentioned is the good sons of Seth, then turn around at say this view is ridiculous when "the good sons of Seth" is not what is says AT ALL.

Also can you please back up with scripture where it says "Angels the good ones in heaven or the bad ones in Hell, have no. Ability created by God, to have any sort of sexual encounters with Humans", or at least provide the evidence that brought you to this conclusion. Thanks.

I quoted the Verse: "The Sons of God...." You might want to read all the scriptures first, before you declare "The Sons Of God" are Angels/ Former Angels/ Future Angels.
The Angels are referred to biblically as "The Stars of Heaven" Jesus told us HE is the bright
And "Morning Star". Also "When The Stars Sang" these were not Musical Stars, or Movie or Sports Stars...They are Angels..

 

[Jimbone]

I quoted the Verse: "The Sons of God...." You might want to read all the scriptures first, before you declare "The Sons Of God" are Angels/ Former Angels/ Future Angels.
The Angels are referred to biblically as "The Stars of Heaven" Jesus told us HE is the bright
And "Morning Star". Also "When The Stars Sang" these were not Musical Stars, or Movie or Sports Stars...They are Angels..

Well I have and I can't find 1 instance of the "sons of God" NOT referring to angels in the Old Testament, you know the half of the bible Genesis is in. There are the Genesis 6 references that are in question right now, then there are only the references in Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7. What are ALL these referring to? Everything I have researched says they are referring to angels, yet you're saying that in this one part of the Old Testament they meant the sons of Seth? It makes NO sense man, you have to go to the New Testament to even give your interpretation a chance of sounding right, and still have to ignore that every other time the term is used in the book the term in question is mentioned in, it means angels. You still haven't convinced me, and ALL you have brought to the conversation is your own personal assertions.

Honestly man, please share the evidence that convinced you that these are not angels being talked about here. Why are you so stuck on this view? There has to be a reason.

 

[garee]

But the Book of Jude in the KJV does quote something directly out of the Book of Enoch.

Its the other way around.That book is not different than the Koran . Copy some verses from the word of God and add your own oral tradition of the fathers.

Both books came after the close of any new revelations from heaven .This shows it is false prophecy.

Its common for those who need more that what God offers to give us.The reason Catholic follow and share the suite/pattern with the apostate Jews. Same law of the father that attempts to make sola scriptural without effect, different names for the fathers .

 

[RBA238]

Well I have and I can't find 1 instance of the "sons of God" NOT referring to angels in the Old Testament, you know the half of the bible Genesis is in. There are the Genesis 6 references that are in question right now, then there are only the references in Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7. What are ALL these referring to? Everything I have researched says they are referring to angels, yet you're saying that in this one part of the Old Testament they meant the sons of Seth? It makes NO sense man, you have to go to the New Testament to even give your interpretation a chance of sounding right, and still have to ignore that every other time the term is used in the book the term in question is mentioned in, it means angels. You still haven't convinced me, and ALL you have brought to the conversation is your own personal assertions.

Honestly man, please share the evidence that convinced you that these are not angels being talked about here. Why are you so stuck on this view? There has to be a reason.

I am on buisness at the moment...Of Course it does not define "Morning Stars" as Angels, you have to put the Puzzle together. I will be back sometime late this afternoon and read all the scriptures you can check yourself..I strongly urge you to invest in a "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance" which defines each word and shows you Chapter and verse..may help your search. Meanwhile there is no "Book Of Enoch" it is a fantasy at best. I know The KJV does not have that Book, so which Bible ate you referring unto where "Book of Enoch" is located?

 

[Jimbone]

I am on buisness at the moment...Of Course it does not define "Morning Stars" as Angels, you have to put the Puzzle together. I will be back sometime late this afternoon and read all the scriptures you can check yourself..I strongly urge you to invest in a "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance" which defines each word and shows you Chapter and verse..may help your search. Meanwhile there is no "Book Of Enoch" it is a fantasy at best. I know The KJV does not have that Book, so which Bible ate you referring unto where "Book of Enoch" is located?

Honestly I was trying to stay within the bible to make my case. I wasn't evoking the book of Enoch for my case. I do not raise Enoch to the level as scripture and am definitely not able to defend it as such. I will look into the sources you just provided, but I have to admit that I will put about as much trust into "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance" as you put into in the book of Enoch really. I know and understand the whole case for the whole "sons of Seth" theory and find it weak honestly, but I will take a look at your suggestions because I'm interested in truth, not being right. Thanks for the conversation and I will maybe post again after I've looked into your suggestions. Have a good day.

 

[garee]

I quoted the Verse: "The Sons of God...." You might want to read all the scriptures first, before you declare "The Sons Of God" are Angels/ Former Angels/ Future Angels.
The Angels are referred to biblically as "The Stars of Heaven" Jesus told us HE is the bright
And "Morning Star". Also "When The Stars Sang" these were not Musical Stars, or Movie or Sports Stars...They are Angels..

Sons of God refer to both the angels that have not left their first place of habitation as well as born again believers. All who are led by the Spirit of Christ are sons of God. If any man (not angel) has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to Him.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Stars are used the same way it can apply to angels who are not subject to salvation or men. The twelves stars below represent the sons of God as born members of the family of God.They can be Jew or gentile .God puts no difference between them and a gentile... purifying the hearts of all men (not angels) by his faith. The angels long to look into Christ's work of faith that provides us with His grace.

There are many reference that show believers (new creatures) are reckoned as stars .

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.Heb 11:10

 

[RBA238]

Sons of God refer to both the angels that have not left their first place of habitation as well as born again believers. All who are led by the Spirit of Christ are sons of God. If any man (not angel) has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to Him.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Stars are used the same way it can apply to angels who are not subject to salvation or men. The twelves stars below represent the sons of God as born members of the family of God.They can be Jew or gentile .God puts no difference between them and a gentile... purifying the hearts of all men (not angels) by his faith. The angels long to look into Christ's work of faith that provides us with His grace.

There are many reference that show believers (new creatures) are reckoned as stars .

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.Heb 11:10

12 "Stars" around The Woman Clothed with The Sun..represent the 12 tribes of Israel or..The 12 Apostles...and notice when the children of Israel crossed the Jordan River with Moses' Brother Aaron; There were 12 Stones also

 

[disciplemike]

The Book of Enoch, Chapter 22...

Then Raphael answered, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me:
These hollow places have been created for this very purpose,
that the spirits of the souls of the dead should assemble therein,
yea that all the souls of the children of men should assemble here.
Enoch 22.3

 

[Ariel82]

Y'all know your side discussion helps keep this thread on the front page so all new seekers to the site get to wonder if they should read this book...not sure if you care are not.

But y'all are helping Disciplemike with his mission of spreading this book like an infection to others.

I going to go wash clean by reading the Bible and wash my hands of this thread. If you want to read and believe lies of demons, don't say you haven't been warned that this "Book of Enoch" is a fake and meant to deceive people and contradicts the Bible. It gives too much power and influence to fallen angels...actually any angels and not enough to God. It inserts angels or "Enoch" where the Bible clearly has GOD speaking to Moses concerning the flood. There are other lies but it's a waste of time to go through each point.

Anyway to my brothers and sisters in Christ, will pray that God gives you wisdom, discernment and protects your hearts and minds through the leading of the Holy Spirit. God bless and keep you.

 

[garee]

12 "Stars" around The Woman Clothed with The Sun..represent the 12 tribes of Israel or..The 12 Apostles...and notice when the children of Israel crossed the Jordan River with Moses' Brother Aaron; There were 12 Stones also

Yes, I think the word twelve is simply used to represent the authority of God as to whatever is in view. It could be either one or both, tribes and apostles together represented as a whole to represent all the saints that will be found in the Lambs book of life as an unknown amount using 144,000 to represent an unknown number , in respect to his virgin bride. And yes lively stones that do make up the spiritual house of God the one bride shown coming down from heaven prepared as His bride the church.

 

[garee]

The Book of Enoch, Chapter 22...

Then Raphael answered, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me:
These hollow places have been created for this very purpose,
that the spirits of the souls of the dead should assemble therein,
yea that all the souls of the children of men should assemble here.
Enoch 22.3

The book of Enoch is false prophecy .

 

[disciplemike]

The Book of Enoch, Chapter 23...

Then Raguel, one of the holy angels who was with me,
answered me and said unto me:
This course of fire which you have seen is the fire in the west
which persecutes all the luminaries of heaven.
Enoch 23.4

 

[RBA238]

Y'all know your side discussion helps keep this thread on the front page so all new seekers to the site get to wonder if they should read this book...not sure if you care are not.

But y'all are helping Disciplemike with his mission of spreading this book like an infection to others.

I going to go wash clean by reading the Bible and wash my hands of this thread. If you want to read and believe lies of demons, don't say you haven't been warned that this "Book of Enoch" is a fake and meant to deceive people and contradicts the Bible. It gives too much power and influence to fallen angels...actually any angels and not enough to God. It inserts angels or "Enoch" where the Bible clearly has GOD speaking to Moses concerning the flood. There are other lies but it's a waste of time to go through each point.

Anyway to my brothers and sisters in Christ, will pray that God gives you wisdom, discernment and protects your hearts and minds through the leading of the Holy Spirit. God bless and keep you.

I agree with your assesment Might as well insert "The BOOK OF HILLARY". Just more deceit to get people Doubting, God's Holy Word. Enoch is recoeded in scripture no doubt...But not the degree this Book being promoted, is as stated. About as real and acurate ss The Tabloids, at the checkout counter at a Grocery Store...HEADLINE:..."HUMPTY DUMPTY WAS
PUSHED Claims Science Professor at British University"

 

[RBA238]

Well I have and I can't find 1 instance of the "sons of God" NOT referring to angels in the Old Testament, you know the half of the bible Genesis is in. There are the Genesis 6 references that are in question right now, then there are only the references in Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7. What are ALL these referring to? Everything I have researched says they are referring to angels, yet you're saying that in this one part of the Old Testament they meant the sons of Seth? It makes NO sense man, you have to go to the New Testament to even give your interpretation a chance of sounding right, and still have to ignore that every other time the term is used in the book the term in question is mentioned in, it means angels. You still haven't convinced me, and ALL you have brought to the conversation is your own personal assertions.

Honestly man, please share the evidence that convinced you that these are not angels being talked about here. Why are you so stuck on this view? There has to be a reason.

I requsted that you STUDY, AND COMPARE every verse in the OT that mentions "Stars" or "Sons of God". Simply do this
..Obtain/;Purchase : Strong's Exhaustive Concrordance...Cross check all the definitions and chapters and verses the Words are, snd you then can see what it is talking about and defining..

When you do exactly what I am suggestion; you learn :The Sons of God...are not Angels, nor are they Spirits. They identify Human Men that Called out on God (Genesis 5 or 6) In Other words, like true Christians do today in the 21 first Century. I.E. "The SONS OF GOD" chose All the woman they desired".

Do you read anywhere where the "Son's of God" were Angels/ Sprits, in Geneis? How about any other Chapter OT or NT??

 

[disciplemike]

The Book of Enoch, Chapter 24...

And among them was a tree such as I had never yet smelled,
neither was any among them nor were others like it:
it had a fragrance beyond all fragrance,
and its leaves and blooms and wood wither not for ever:
and its fruit is beautiful,
and its fruit resembles the dates of a palm.
Enoch 24.4

 

[disciplemike]

The Book of Enoch, Chapter 25...

And as for this fragrant tree no mortal is permitted to touch it till the great judgment,
when He shall take vengeance on all
and bring (everything) to its consummation for ever.
It shall then be given to the righteous and holy.
Its fruit shall be for food to the elect:
it shall be transplanted to the holy place,
to the temple of the Lord, the Eternal King.
Enoch 25.4-5

 

[bikerchaz]

Question:

I wonder why we keep trying to analyze and understand the spiritual things of God with our intellect (own understanding, carnal mind) when his Word clearly tells us,

"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned."

I agree, natural man does not accept the Spiritual. Does that mean we are not Spiritual? I am not trying to be antagonistic, but there is something in this perception.

Those who are dying (those who do not accept Jesus as their God and saviour) are no spiritually discerning. I would say that some here on CC do not fall into that category, while some do.

Those who do not, explain things with their mind because they have nothing else, or copy and past bits and bobs because words are used that have some kind of correlation to the subject matter being discussed. Those who do speak from their heart. whether on this thread or any other. in listening to all one can start to understand who is of Christ and who is not.

The book of Enoch is a strange one. If one has never read it one cannot comprehend or comment, it would be like me commenting on rocket trajectory factors while being a dry liner tradesman. The Spirit will lead and if we are all honest, (those who are Spirit led and those who are not), the scriptures do not tell us everything. Decades can go by in one or two verses and leave a lot blank except for the outcome of the actions mentioned in the faith of the patriarchs mentioned in those verses.

Jude mentions this book and peter, they both take direct quotes from it. When I was converted I was a sponge. I bought everything I could, all the independent gospels, Thomas, and Judas, and reading through them it quickly became apparent if the Spirit was speaking through them. I reserve judgement on Enoch, as of now. The Coptic Ethiopian church has 1 Enoch in its cannon of scripture but not 2 or 3.

It does not matter though. Jesus is the "First and Last". Nothing matters except for Jesus and knowing Him. Like these other threads in here at CC about binding or not about hyper grace or not about anything, . anything. Jesus is all. Come to Him and be made whole. Come or Go to Jesus and know Him. If there is something we must understand Jesus will tell us. Jesus will guide us. Post or pre rapture does not matter Jesus matters nothing else. We hang on His every word, if we only have His words we will not die but see eternal life.

 

[RBA238]

The book of Enoch is false prophecy .

Amen!!

"The Book of Enoch" is about as Authenic as Dorothy, Toto, her dog . The Cowardly Lion, Scarecrow, and Tin Man (With a tinfoil hat)!!

But, Alas they travel down the Yellow Brick Road toward the Magical Wizard of Oz, and his subjects. But alas, then Dorothy wakes up in Kansas and finds it was all a dream because she passed out during a Tornado, and Like the Story's in "The Book of Enoch", reminds us once again, of that 1958 Conway Twitty Song: "It's only make beleive". (Sniff)

 

[jaybird88]

The book of Enoch is false prophecy .

why is it false prophecy? because roman councils say it is?

here are a few facts about about rome.
they killed Jesus.
burned down the Lords temple.
killed 11 of the 12 Apostles.
killed paul.
killed Jewish rabbis.
killed Christian church fathers.
burned the word of the Lord.
did not adopt Christianity until after failing to stop it for several hundred years.
and these people are the same ones that are going to decide which books are of the Lord and which are not.
Jesus teaches seek and knock and we will find Him, Roman councils teach they will do the seeking for us and tell us where to look.

 

[disciplemike]

Chapter 26

And I went from thence to the middle of the earth,
and I saw a blessed place in which there were trees with branches abiding
and blooming of a dismembered tree.
Enoch 26.1