A empowered and working grace
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miknik5 - Your reply is not really a reply.
Jesus calls us to one, to think similarly about Him, to love each other as He loves us.
Though you want to sound authoritative, the emotional empathetic side is missing, which
suggests to me my friend a lot does not add up.
To put it mildly, this type of conversations are done by people scared about the response
and not wanting to take risks. It is flim flam to try and create depth when there is only
a superficial grasp of issues.
So after this opportunity I judge you to have little to contribute for me. So teacher, hope
you find someone willing to be taught and it is of value.
By the way these styles you use is so full of yourself, I am surprised the Lord has any
space to get His message through.
Jesus calls us to one, to think similarly about Him, to love each other as He loves us.
Though you want to sound authoritative, the emotional empathetic side is missing, which
suggests to me my friend a lot does not add up.
To put it mildly, this type of conversations are done by people scared about the response
and not wanting to take risks. It is flim flam to try and create depth when there is only
a superficial grasp of issues.
So after this opportunity I judge you to have little to contribute for me. So teacher, hope
you find someone willing to be taught and it is of value.
By the way these styles you use is so full of yourself, I am surprised the Lord has any
space to get His message through.
Unfortunately some on here will continue to insult you either blatantly as you have encountered or in sneaky ways.....many of us have had the exact same thing happen.....sometimes it is best just to ignore them and not interact with these types unless it is absolutely necessary. All is well...
1 Cor. 15:33
1 Cor. 15:33
Unfortunately some on here will continue to insult you either blatantly as you have encountered or in sneaky ways.....many of us have had the exact same thing happen.....sometimes it is best just to ignore them and not interact with these types unless it is absolutely necessary. All is well...
1 Cor. 15:33
1 Cor. 15:33
everything will denying the real power of Christ in the gospel, go around condemning people
as anti-christ and tell everyone they have the true inside line with God while denying the
very words of Christ spoken to His people.
So all is not well and you are personally a major cause of this junk and slander.
But then you have no fear before the Lord, because the Lord would never judge you.
You remind me of Aarons sons who offered unholy fire and incense before the Lord.
You will remember what happened to them. So I would change my ways if I was you,
before the Lords patience changes.
The Lord will always send His people with a warning of His intentions.
It is called grace, but it has limits.
I was impressed with the parable of the unjust judge who is woken by the pleading woman.
Jesus says God will answer the prayer of His people for justice.
Now the rich, self indulgent, greedy, well fed, secure, wealthy never end well in these situations
because it is often they who are the unjust.
But maybe you are not aware part of our ministry as the body of Christ is to bring this awareness
to the church and the world that judgement is coming, has come, and will be worked out.
Repent and believe for the Kingdom of God is near.
It is called grace, but it has limits.
I was impressed with the parable of the unjust judge who is woken by the pleading woman.
Jesus says God will answer the prayer of His people for justice.
Now the rich, self indulgent, greedy, well fed, secure, wealthy never end well in these situations
because it is often they who are the unjust.
But maybe you are not aware part of our ministry as the body of Christ is to bring this awareness
to the church and the world that judgement is coming, has come, and will be worked out.
Repent and believe for the Kingdom of God is near.
grace has limitations. here we have the mind of peterjens. salvation is never truly given if grace has limits. sad that floks think this way.
I think Paul would dis-agree with you. the thief on the Cross that Jesus saved would dis-agree with you. even when Israel was taken out of the Promised land, God told them " I will bring you back" . so that is dis-agreeing to. want me to go on??
I think Paul would dis-agree with you. the thief on the Cross that Jesus saved would dis-agree with you. even when Israel was taken out of the Promised land, God told them " I will bring you back" . so that is dis-agreeing to. want me to go on??
To the forgiven servant (who showed no mercy to his fellowservant) after he had received mercy the Lord of that servant said,
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
And as James says here (about this)
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
What followed was,
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, (( till ))he should pay all that was due unto him.
So the previously forgiven servant is called a wicked servant for showing no mercy (which is true judgment) as it says
Zach 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying,
Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:
Which he did not (thus Mat 18:33 in the above) where the forgiven servant becomes the wicked in this doing
Similarly, the kind of judgment (witheld) by the wicked (in robbing another) of that judgment (is against themselves)
Prov 21:7 The robbery of the wickedshall destroy them; because they refuse to do judgment.)
Again seeing to, Execute true judgment, is toshew mercy
What follows (when that same isnt carried out) appears more like a form of chatizement since it has to do with learning to do righteous judgment in that same and seeing who the Lord is speaking to
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
But the first forgiven servant (that was to extend mercy) was way more messed up (and in debt) than the one pleading mercy for the debts his fellowservant owed him.
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
And as James says here (about this)
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
What followed was,
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, (( till ))he should pay all that was due unto him.
So the previously forgiven servant is called a wicked servant for showing no mercy (which is true judgment) as it says
Zach 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying,
Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:
Which he did not (thus Mat 18:33 in the above) where the forgiven servant becomes the wicked in this doing
Similarly, the kind of judgment (witheld) by the wicked (in robbing another) of that judgment (is against themselves)
Prov 21:7 The robbery of the wickedshall destroy them; because they refuse to do judgment.)
Again seeing to, Execute true judgment, is toshew mercy
What follows (when that same isnt carried out) appears more like a form of chatizement since it has to do with learning to do righteous judgment in that same and seeing who the Lord is speaking to
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
But the first forgiven servant (that was to extend mercy) was way more messed up (and in debt) than the one pleading mercy for the debts his fellowservant owed him.
The parable of the unforgiven servant in which the kingdom of heaven "may be compared to".... Matthew 18
We need to read all scripture in context of the finished work of Christ and what He did on the cross. To say that our sins are not forgiven in the believer after they cross is NOT the gospel.
We will forgive because we are in Christ now and have His nature in us - we need to have our minds renewed to this truth and we will walk in it.
Matt 18:35 says that God will not forgive unless you forgive from your heart.
This was Jesus giving them the law. Moses 2.0 as it shows their need for a Savior in order for Jesus to create in them a new heart that loves and forgives just like their Father does in Jesus.
Love always forgives - it's in our nature now because we are in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
We have a new heart now - so we can't really have unforgiveness in our hearts anymore which is why Jesus said ....
"If you do not forgive from your heart" ....this is to expose their need for a new heart which always forgives.
Acts 15:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
We love now from our new hearts in Christ and our hearts cannot sin. So Jesus's verse above in Matthew 18 would not apply to the person in Christ as it is impossible for them to have sin in their heart and to not forgive. We have the very nature of God inside us now - righteousness and holiness.
Romans 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We need to preach and teach the true gospel of the grace of Christ so that the believer in Christ can grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus and walk out who they already are in their inner man - the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
When we see Christ as in a mirror - we see true selves being reflected back and the Holy Spirit transforms us outwardly to reflect Christ that is in us now. 2 Cor 3:17-18
We need to read all scripture in context of the finished work of Christ and what He did on the cross. To say that our sins are not forgiven in the believer after they cross is NOT the gospel.
We will forgive because we are in Christ now and have His nature in us - we need to have our minds renewed to this truth and we will walk in it.
Matt 18:35 says that God will not forgive unless you forgive from your heart.
This was Jesus giving them the law. Moses 2.0 as it shows their need for a Savior in order for Jesus to create in them a new heart that loves and forgives just like their Father does in Jesus.
Love always forgives - it's in our nature now because we are in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
We have a new heart now - so we can't really have unforgiveness in our hearts anymore which is why Jesus said ....
"If you do not forgive from your heart" ....this is to expose their need for a new heart which always forgives.
Acts 15:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
We love now from our new hearts in Christ and our hearts cannot sin. So Jesus's verse above in Matthew 18 would not apply to the person in Christ as it is impossible for them to have sin in their heart and to not forgive. We have the very nature of God inside us now - righteousness and holiness.
Romans 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We need to preach and teach the true gospel of the grace of Christ so that the believer in Christ can grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus and walk out who they already are in their inner man - the new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.
When we see Christ as in a mirror - we see true selves being reflected back and the Holy Spirit transforms us outwardly to reflect Christ that is in us now. 2 Cor 3:17-18
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Jeremiah 17:13 O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.
All who depart from the Lord shall be written in the earth. Do you think Jesus was writing names in the ground in John 8:6, 8? Could be. It is clear from the record that the scribes and pharisees who brought the woman to Jesus had departed from the Lord. If they had not departed, they would have rejoiced at the coming of Jesus and would have welcomed Him as Messiah.
All who depart from the Lord shall be written in the earth. Do you think Jesus was writing names in the ground in John 8:6, 8? Could be. It is clear from the record that the scribes and pharisees who brought the woman to Jesus had departed from the Lord. If they had not departed, they would have rejoiced at the coming of Jesus and would have welcomed Him as Messiah.
Is there a difference between love and "the works" of love?
Does Gal 5:6 say faith is energized by the works of love?
Or does Gal 5:6 say faith is energized by love?
I believe Gal 5:6 says the latter. Perhaps to you, "the works of" love is the same as "love". They are not the same to me.
Can you clarify? Is "the works of" love the same as "love"? Thank you.
You say "the grace of God in Jesus Christ empowers a faith that works righteous works" but that is not what Gal 5:6 says.
Remember that Paul had written there were some in whom Christ had become of no effect and that some had fallen from grace ---
Gal 5:4 says that Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
According to Gal 5:4 to fall from grace one must seek to be justified by the law rather than by, in, through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Also, the verse that speaks of the love of God being shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit has more to do with our glorying in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us (Rom 5:3-5). So, the love of God being shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit is what allows us to endure to the end.
Have you ever studied what is afforded to the believer who abides in the Lord Jesus Christ? Fascinating study and it will take longer than this lifetime to understand, but is there a more worthy endeavor or investment of time/energy?
Does Gal 5:6 say faith is energized by the works of love?
Or does Gal 5:6 say faith is energized by love?
I believe Gal 5:6 says the latter. Perhaps to you, "the works of" love is the same as "love". They are not the same to me.
Can you clarify? Is "the works of" love the same as "love"? Thank you.
You say "the grace of God in Jesus Christ empowers a faith that works righteous works" but that is not what Gal 5:6 says.
Remember that Paul had written there were some in whom Christ had become of no effect and that some had fallen from grace ---
Gal 5:4 says that Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
According to Gal 5:4 to fall from grace one must seek to be justified by the law rather than by, in, through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Also, the verse that speaks of the love of God being shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit has more to do with our glorying in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us (Rom 5:3-5). So, the love of God being shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit is what allows us to endure to the end.
Have you ever studied what is afforded to the believer who abides in the Lord Jesus Christ? Fascinating study and it will take longer than this lifetime to understand, but is there a more worthy endeavor or investment of time/energy?
In agreement, Angela53510, it is the same grace of God that has sustained all mankind, from the time of Adam/Eve to now and into the future.
I do not believe, nor have I ever claimed, that OT believers were not saved through faith.
However, there was something different after the crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension into heaven of our Lord Jesus Christ than before that time. Jesus Christ Himself declared I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you (John 16:7). The Lord had to depart in order for Him to send the Comforter to His people.
I do not believe, nor have I ever claimed, that OT believers were not saved through faith.
However, there was something different after the crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension into heaven of our Lord Jesus Christ than before that time. Jesus Christ Himself declared I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you (John 16:7). The Lord had to depart in order for Him to send the Comforter to His people.