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Bladerunner

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I Know, I KNOW!..... impossible because our science tells us that in the beginning there was a Big Bang that created everything and from a ROCK we became man through the process of evolution. Notice something Missing???

The Bible tells us (through many scriptures) that the planet earth (a ball) spinning in the vacuum of space does not exist.

Do you privately agree with the Bible but do not speak of the subject simply because of being Politically Correct? Or do you agree with our scientist and follow the path which many pastors and parishioners follow?

Below are 25 verses of scripture concerning the nature of the heavens/sky above and their relationship to the earth: Keep in mind, there are many,many more scriptures and all of them point to us living on an earth that is lets say, not exactly a ball in space.

Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble. 7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars. 8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit {Hebrew: "chug"} of heaven. Job 22:14 (HCSB) Clouds veil Him so that He cannot see, as He walks on the circle of the sky. Job 22:14 (ASV) Thick clouds are a covering to him, so that he seeth not; And he walketh on the vault of heaven.

Job 26: 7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. 8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them. 9 He holdeth back the face of his throne, and spreadeth his cloud upon it. 10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end. 11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof. 12 He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud. 13 By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?

Genesis 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Genesis 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;

2 Samuel 22:8 Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth.
 

Bladerunner

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Another set of Scriptures showing us what God is seeing from above.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Psalm 29:10 The LORD sitteth upon the flood; yea, the LORD sitteth King for ever.

Psalm 78: 21 Therefore the Lord heard this, and was wroth: so a fire was kindled against Jacob, and anger also came up against Israel; 22 Because they believed not in God, and trusted not in his salvation: 23 Though he had commanded the clouds from above, and opened the doors of heaven, 24 And had rained down manna upon them to eat, and had given them of the corn of heaven. 25 Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.

Psalm 104: 1 Bless the Lord, O my soul. O Lord my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. 2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain: 3 Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
Psalm 148:4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

Proverbs 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set {Hebrew: "chaqaq"} a compass {Hebrew: "chug"} upon the face of the depth: Proverbs 8:27 (ESV) When He established the heavens, I was there, When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep.

Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Isaiah 40:22 (ISV) He's the one who sits above the disk of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He's the one who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in,

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Isaiah 48:13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Ezekiel 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

Amos 9:6 It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name. Amos 9:6 (ASV) it is he that buildeth his chambers in the heavens, and hath founded his vault upon the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth; Jehovah is his name. Amos 9:6 (ESV) it is he that buildeth his chambers in the heaven, and hath founded his vault upon the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea and poureth them out upon the face of the earth; the LORD is his name. Amos 9:6 (Darby) It is he that buildeth his upper chambers in the heavens, and hath founded his vault upon the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: Jehovah is his name. Amos 9:6 (NASB) The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The Lord is His name.
 

Bladerunner

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Scriptures concerning the nature of the earth below the firmament:

Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

Job 28:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;

Job 37:3 He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth.

Job 38:
1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

Genesis 1: 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

1 Samuel 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.

2 Samuel 22:16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

1 Chronicles 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psalm 18:15 Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

Psalm 75:3 The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.

Psalm 93:1 The Lord reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the Lord is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Psalm 96: 9 O worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness: fear before him, all the earth. 10 Say among the heathen that the Lord reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. 11 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fullness thereof.

Psalm 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Psalm 104: 5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. 6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. 7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. 8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them. 9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

Psalm 136: 6 To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Proverbs 8: 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set {Hebrew: "chaqaq"} a compass {Hebrew: "chug"} upon the face of the depth: - (ESV) When He established the heavens, I was there, When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep. 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Isaiah 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Isaiah 40:22 (ISV) He's the one who sits above the disk of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He's the one who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in,

Isaiah 43:6 I'll say to the north, 'Give them up'! and to the south, 'Don't keep them back!' Bring my sons from far away and my daughters from the ends of the earth—

Daniel 4: 10 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. 11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

Jonah 2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God.

Matthew 4: 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

John 17:24 Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Revelation 20:8 He will go out to deceive Gog and Magog, the nations at the four corners of the earth, and gather them for war. They are as numerous as the sands of the seashore.

ref. The Bible and the Still Flat Earth
 

Bladerunner

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Well it has been twenty-three hours, 66 visits and not one reply. In reality, it does not matter whether the ground we live on is on a planet or is in a snowglobe! Really?

Up until the 1500's most people in the world believed the opposite of what they do today.

What Changed? Better Science, the idea of world domination by liberal (socialistic) government(s)?Maybe it is the church that has changed where the majority no longer believes the Holy Bible is the true 'Word of God'. Why? Because man's science is more accurate than God?????

God said in Rev 6:13 (KJV) " And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind".

Our science tells us there are billions and billions of stars most all at least as big as our sun (which is a star). I hate to tell God but after the first star hits us, this planet will not be here. It will not matter if he lets the rest of them fall, there will be nothing left for them to fall to!

Some will say, "Oh, this (rev. 6:13) is just a metaphor for meteors hitting the earth.". You know the big problem with this? A majority of people will believe it or any other allegorical comparison that is proposed by their pastor, church leaders or government bureaucrats.

I am sorry, but that is the reason I no longer step foot in any denominational church. I read the Bible literally believing in the actual 'Word of God' as it is written. The Whole Bible, not just parts of it that are convenient for me. My grandmother told me once that those who had enough faith to believe every word in Holy Bible (KJV) would live an eternity with Jesus. Well, I do. How about you?

If someone could tell me how to DELETE this thread, I would appreciate it.
 

mcubed

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Why delete the truth.... I think it and you for posting it are amazing!!!!
 

Magenta

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Opening with a long post is a mistake. Following it with even longer posts is also a mistake. You must leave room for some discussion to start. I saw the OP and could not even easily figure out what you were talking about, really. Flat earthers came to mind. I thought of saying something about a pancake, but I refrained from such, for I would not wish to offend you. You speak of snow globes and pillars. This image fits:

 

breno785au

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Why do they always disregard the planets within our system with these flat earth models?
 

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The Bible is fully Human and Fully Divine. The ancient Hebrews wrote about creation as they and other cultures saw it
To them the Earth was flat with the sky as a Dome over it supported by Mountains. God lived just beyond the Dome that
had openings where the stars shone. The main point of the creation story is that God created everything full stop. If the OT was written today God through the Holy Spirit would lead the writers to include Galaxies Black Holes and everything else we recognise today. The Bible is Spiritual. Trying to take it literally in light of the twenty first century is like trying to force two litres of water into a one litre bottle. It only works if you ignore the spillage.
 
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Evolution is bollocks, as is a Flat Earth.
 

p_rehbein

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The earth is flat............so why are snow globes round?
 

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The Bible is fully Human and Fully Divine. The ancient Hebrews wrote about creation as they and other cultures saw it
To them the Earth was flat with the sky as a Dome over it supported by Mountains. God lived just beyond the Dome that
had openings where the stars shone. The main point of the creation story is that God created everything full stop. If the OT was written today God through the Holy Spirit would lead the writers to include Galaxies Black Holes and everything else we recognise today. The Bible is Spiritual. Trying to take it literally in light of the twenty first century is like trying to force two litres of water into a one litre bottle. It only works if you ignore the spillage.
I used to run into this sort of notion a lot in Bible studies of denominations. The idea is that those who wrote the Bible put their ancient cultural inaccurate thinking into the Bible, such that had they lived now, they would have more accurately written things since we know so much more now. Apparently, these persons are unaware that the Holy Spirit is the author of the Bible. The Bible is not written from the perspective of cultures that don't have full understanding. Rather, the Holy Spirit is the author of the Bible and he had understanding. God is not going to include poor understanding in a book that is true altogether. The problem, however, with putting scriptures together and saying that they don't reflect an accurate portrayal of the universe, is that the Bible in these verses must be interpreted to get at the real meaning. Is it really the universe that is being spoken of? Did you know that the Bible is written in parable form by God (Psalm 78:1-2, Mark 4:34)? For example, what does 'earth' mean in Bible lingo? And what does 'heaven' mean? When the Bible itself defines these terms, it doesn't really sound like the universe that is being spoken about. Heaven, for example, is said to be God's throne, not the upper stratosphere and beyond. Jesus is on the throne that is in heaven, which doesn't really sound like outer space either. We find that God called the firmament (which so many people think of as an expanse of sky) heaven, and that heaven, again, is just God's throne. We find that Jesus, who is the daystar (the sun), arises in peoples' hearts. How could a huge hot ball of Hydrogen and Helium arise in peoples' hearts? It can't, until you realize that the sun in the Bible is a picture of Jesus, not the ball of Hydrogen and Helium. Further, God called the dry land 'earth', not the planet. 'Dry' in the Bible is talking about a place in need of the word of God, as when gospel rivers dry up. Further, the 'land' which the Bible speaks of repeatedly is a kingdom to be occupied by believers, most likely spiritual in nature. So I would think the term dry land itself would be a parable term in need of interpretation beyond the physical.
 
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Oh, look. Here's Mr. Poor Exegesis Man aka the Bible is a Parable Dude.
 
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The Bible is fully Human and Fully Divine. The ancient Hebrews wrote about creation as they and other cultures saw it
To them the Earth was flat with the sky as a Dome over it supported by Mountains. God lived just beyond the Dome that
had openings where the stars shone. The main point of the creation story is that God created everything full stop. If the OT was written today God through the Holy Spirit would lead the writers to include Galaxies Black Holes and everything else we recognise today. The Bible is Spiritual. Trying to take it literally in light of the twenty first century is like trying to force two litres of water into a one litre bottle. It only works if you ignore the spillage.

God created everything

that is what I believe

that is enough
 

Bladerunner

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Opening with a long post is a mistake. Following it with even longer posts is also a mistake. You must leave room for some discussion to start. I saw the OP and could not even easily figure out what you were talking about, really. Flat earthers came to mind. I thought of saying something about a pancake, but I refrained from such, for I would not wish to offend you. You speak of snow globes and pillars. This image fits:


Thank you very much....will rem that in the future.
 

Bladerunner

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The Bible is fully Human and Fully Divine. The ancient Hebrews wrote about creation as they and other cultures saw it
To them the Earth was flat with the sky as a Dome over it supported by Mountains. God lived just beyond the Dome that
had openings where the stars shone. The main point of the creation story is that God created everything full stop. If the OT was written today God through the Holy Spirit would lead the writers to include Galaxies Black Holes and everything else we recognise today. The Bible is Spiritual. Trying to take it literally in light of the twenty first century is like trying to force two litres of water into a one litre bottle. It only works if you ignore the spillage.
I keep hearing this on this site and cannot believe it. The Holy Bible is divinely, inspired Word of God Himself. The OT is always separated from the NT. It is one book!!!!! If you look at the OT and Daniel how do we know he was a Prophet. What about Moses... Well if you look closely, Jesus speaks about them in the NT. Oh, I guess Matthew just put in his chapter 24 a verse (15) that happens to mention Daniel as a Prophet. I was under the impression that Matthew was writing what Jesus was telling them?????You do believe that DON't YOU? Oh, there are many more.

One cannot take the Bible in parts and expect to see the whole truth. It is a story from the beginning to the end of the world we know today. To think otherwise in my opinion is poking you finger in God's eyes. Not a good start to get to heaven.
 

Bladerunner

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Why do they always disregard the planets within our system with these flat earth models?
Have you personally seen the planets. Does God speak of them? Everytime I look into the sky and look at what they tell me is a planet , it is shinning like a star. Oh, that is the reflection of the sun. So is the moon, Yet God said he gave the Moon and the Sun their own light. Genesis 1:16

It is a shame that Mankind has sunk this low. If you believe that God created all things then how can you deny this verse,,, But a lot of people do.
 
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Do you privately agree with the Bible but do not speak of the subject simply because of being Politically Correct?
Me? Politically correct? ROFLMBO!!!! ;)

I am the antithesis of political correctness. :cool: