Romans 8:1-2, is conditional

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eternally-gratefull

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Grace8 Do you know english?
You are stating a repetition of a question, what a joker you are, lol

If you want to make a contribution, asking the question again is not contributing
my friend or is english comprehension beyond you?
My friend, do you have any humility? Are you just here to play games? What is your purpose?

1. He asked you a question.
2. You refused to answer it. Then said you did answer it
3. He asked you to prove where you answered it
4. You called him out and said he needs to answer it himself
5. Then when he asked again, You asked him to show you where he asked the question to begin with (which he did)
6. You now attack him once again, and ask him if he knows English.

One must only ask if you have issues of comprehension, or if you are just here to play games, and not really that interested in getting to the truth,, Just like to argue.
 
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Gr8grace

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Grace8 Do you know english?
You are stating a repetition of a question, what a joker you are, lol

If you want to make a contribution, asking the question again is not contributing
my friend or is english comprehension beyond you?
What is the answer?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Do you want a definition of what attempting condemnation is?
The above is an attempt at it.
No, Now your being dishonest.

The above is an attempt to get you to answer a question. To prove he did ask the question, and an attempt (as feeble as it may be) to finally get you to either to answer the question, or admit you were wrong (when you said you did answer the question)

As he said yesterday,

Everyone sees it but you..
 
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Gr8grace

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No, Now your being dishonest.

The above is an attempt to get you to answer a question. To prove he did ask the question, and an attempt (as feeble as it may be) to finally get you to either to answer the question, or admit you were wrong (when you said you did answer the question)

As he said yesterday,

Everyone sees it but you..
We can't back the truth into a corner. But we sure can back deception into a corner.
 

know1

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so one of you claim it was overused to the point people wrote all over it and changed it and you claim it was not used at all? I guess you guys don't understand that there is a whole number of other writings that agree with this text that was widely spread throughout the Christian world.

"Early remnant" ? I don't even know what you mean by that term? The catholic church ?
Twisting and perverting the words of another does not support your argument.
Tell me, do you use a Catholic bible? Do you even own one? What about a JW or Mormon bible?
Haven't you rejected all of them, believing them to be corrupt?
Don't you think a Catholic would use a Catholic bible, a JW would use their bible, and a Mormon would use theirs as well?
So they to whom the book is accepted by, it is used, and to whom it is rejected by, it is not used.
I shouldn't have to point out such a simple thing. But then again, hatred blinds ones eyes.
 

know1

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Oh the famous, I am sick because of unresolved SIN in my life condemnation theology and so was Paul. WOW what sheer arrogance on your part...Paul did not get healed because he was ignorant!?!?! Whoa boy......


Paul rightly asked God to take it from him, and did not engage in confessin fer da blessin nonsense, God said his grace was enough for Paul to walk with the thorn anyway....
You are refuted for one simple statement...



Romans 12.3 completely irradiates you here...

You are undone by your own words...
Mar 2:9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?

Did Jesus differentiate between sin and sickness or forgiveness and healing with the man that had the palsy?
Then why do you?
 

know1

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Why do advocate that SIN & curses are more powerful than the finished work of Jesus Christ?
I don't. You just think that, because you fail to perceive and understand what I have been saying.

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

However, we are not immune to the consequences of sin.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.



To whom is Paul speaking to?
So if it is to the child of God, why would he be telling them that if they yield themselves to sin that they are the servants of sin, and that the fruit of that sin will lead to death, IF they have been made free form sin?
Has the Christian been made free from sin?
If it is written, then it must be, right?
Yes and no.
Yes, they have been made free, as it is written, but not everyone can walk in that freedom. The victory we have over the world in Christ Jesus, is still through faith. So we must have faith to walk in the freedom that Christ provided for us.
The word of God says you have been healed by the stripes of Jesus, but how many actually get healed when they pray for relief of whatever afflicts them?
God promises to give good things to EVERYONE that asks Him, and healing is a good thing. So if they ask for healing, then they are healed, if they ask in faith.
The reason why most healings don't manifest in the natural, is because the child of God doesn't know it has been granted and done, nor do they believe they have been, or that they are, healed. And this is because they are waiting to FEEL better FIRST. Therefore it will not manifest in the natural, nor can they receive it.

2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.


2Pe 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by [knowledge] these [exceeding great and precious promises] ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.



Without the knowledge of what God has already done for and given to you, as a child of God, you will walk in the same sins, as the world does. It might bother some to do so, because of the Spirit of God in them, but without the knowledge of what Christ has done for them, they will not know HOW to walk in the Spirit, nor be able to, though they try to fight against it, but like the world, they too will succumb to some sins.
The word of God says that God has given us all things pertaining to life and godliness THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE OF JESUS. Therefore, without that knowledge, which equates to having faith in God through those exceeding great and precious promises, you would not be able to escaped the pollutions of the world.
If faith comes by hearing the word of God, and hearing is necessary to have faith, through the knowledge of Christ's work on the cross, for salvation, then we must have this same said faith, through the knowledge of Christ's work, for healing or to walk in the freedom from sin or to escape the pollution of this world, ...etc.
We have to have knowledge of what God has done for us first, followed by faith in that knowledge.
 

know1

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I have faith in God.

I have faith God can use doctors to heal my ailment or my children ailment.

Having faith does not mean God will heal. To say someone who is not healed has no faith is wrong, and seriously mocks God. God never promised to heal anyone.

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

If you truly believed what is written, you would see that scripture says otherwise.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

If you truly believed what is written, you would see that scripture says otherwise.
If you were truly right.

There would be no death, Because everyone who had faith would be healed and no one would die.

The very fact people still die, PROVES YOUR WRONG.

Next....
 

know1

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Actually I do not accept any of them, They all have mistakes

You do know what the word Assume means do you not? You should not assume such things.

I test all of them out, Making sure they align with the message,, The message is one message which will never contradict. If any thing contradicts. it is most likely because of an error in the copied text. or the manuscript used.
"The message"?
And what is that, salvation in Christ, or the doctrine of your church?
Perhaps you don't know it as yet, but ALL, count them, ALL written text for EVERY new testament bible either came from the received or majority text or the vaticanus and sinaiticus.
The majority or 95% of the writings side with the textus receptus, and about 5% with the vaticanus and sinaiticus.
There is no middle ground. It is either one or the other. Not the message or no message.
And if they all have mistakes, then who made you so special and gave you the ability to discern which parts of the new testament are of God or of the truth and which are not?
Your church?
Even your church's doctrines came from one side or the other.
It just depends on which one you chose to believe.
 

know1

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If you were truly right.

There would be no death, Because everyone who had faith would be healed and no one would die.

The very fact people still die, PROVES YOUR WRONG.

Next....
Quite the contrary.
On my wife's side, they died at a very old age (well over 100 years old) without any sicknesses or diseases.
They still aged, but without the sicknesses.
And they knew when they were going to die, and they did so in their own houses after they blessed everyone, with their faces lit up saying that Jesus was there and they had to go.
And it should be noted that I QUOTED the word of God to you. I didn't write myself. The word of God says, "is ANY sick AMONG YOU..."
Does "any" leave out anyone that is in the church or body of Christ?
You are not arguing with me, but with the truth of God's word.
You have just chosen to refuse to believe the truth of what is written.
 
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psalm6819

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Here is EG the liar and slanderer.

I come speaking the truth, talking scripture, what the Lord has laid on my
heart, and continually I get a long list of sins I have commited, which I have not.

But then the enemy always attacks the messenger and not the message.

So Jesus tells me, Halleluyah for great is your reward in Heaven.

So rather than tearing down what I have to say, he is pointing to is veracity,
because as his hatred of this message rises so does its impact and reality.

I reported this post. It is untrue and purposely inflammatory
 
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No, Now your being dishonest.
This is a typical slander. I am being dishonest about what?
Nothing, so I am not being dishonest.

You cannot be dishonest about nothing, you can only dishonest about something.
You guys are not very bright.

D on your heads and go and sit in the corner and stop trying to condemn people
and cause trouble, about a discussion that actually was not your own.

It is like some kind of nutcase group of mockers has arrived to attempt to poke
fun and take a moral high ground not realising they are lying and setting themselves
up to be made a fool of. And this is christian behaviour?

And what is your goal? To make me feel small about something you cannot actually
name. Believe it or not but that is impossible.
 
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Good point

God does not lie about other people
God does not contradict himself
God does what he says, He is not a hypocrite (do as I say, not what I do)
God does not go back on his word.
God does not blame everyone else for his own problems
Now believe it or not EG who is not part of the conversation I had with others
is coming with condemnation of me, and attempting to bad mouth me and say
I have issues, except he can never actually specify them, it is just slander,
lies and insuation.

Take this situation. What has any of this got to do with him?
What great facts are he coming with? In both cases nothing.
And then he feels I should be humble, admit I am wrong and
do something, all of which do not exist.

Do you see how this is just a personal vendetta, and hatred he
has? I do not have anything to say sorry for or even deal with.

But that does not stop him. This is the very definition of
defamatory behaviour.

But then it appears in the court of HG I deserve it. But for what?
Preaching the gospel of salvation and faith in Christ?
In believing we can walk in righteousness with Him?

Or is there something else you like to make up that I believe.
My blog says it all. Please tell me where I am wrong, and I will
graceously agree before the Lord, assuming you have anything to
say, but after 10 months of this kind of attack, you do not.

If this is what you call spirituality in your faith, the writing is on the
wall and judgement is already falling on your teachers.

Judgement is mine says the Lord. Or have you not read that in scripture
yet, but hey, you think you are above Gods judgement of His body.
 
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Have been listening to some messages today and one of them touched on this verse about no condemnation in Romans.

The preacher said - why would there be any condemnation to someone who did not sin? There would be no need for the warning since if you don't sin you won't be condemned so of course there is no condemnation or warning to those who don't sin. The warning or declaration of there being no condemnation is not needed if your not sinning. It's only there for those who have sinned and do believe they must be condemned.

It's telling us that even when you do sin., since you are IN Christ you are NOT and will never be condemned. That is the promise to those who are IN Christ because of Christ., not because of US. We can't even cross the road without getting sidetracked by maybe the flowers on the curb. We are for sure the sheep of His pasture who do occasionally get side tracked by the flitting butterfly and we need a Good Shepherd to keep us on track. Amen.

Thank You Jesus for Your incredible indescribable Gift!!!!
 
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Does Christ come to us with accusation or reality?
Does Christ take our sins and forgive them?

Thanks be to the Lord that He forgives those who believe in His name
and follow Him with a sincere heart.

Now I bear no grudges and forgive sins against me, because I am forgiven
more than you can imagine.

So let us praise the Lord together as brothers and sisters in Christ and
walk in the love Christ has given us, Amen

Let us learn how to forgive the weaknesses of others and bring encouragment
instead of condemnation, lifting up the weak and burdened into the love of Christ.

For our boast is in Christ alone and in His work in our hearts, which is not our
own but His work of grace, Halleluyah.
 

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Here is EG the liar and slanderer.

I come speaking the truth, talking scripture, what the Lord has laid on my
heart, and continually I get a long list of sins I have commited, which I have not.

But then the enemy always attacks the messenger and not the message.

So Jesus tells me, Halleluyah for great is your reward in Heaven.

So rather than tearing down what I have to say, he is pointing to is veracity,
because as his hatred of this message rises so does its impact and reality.
I reported this post. It is untrue and purposely inflammatory
Thank you, I did too.

-JGIG
 

JGIG

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Have been listening to some messages today and one of them touched on this verse about no condemnation in Romans.

The preacher said - why would there be any condemnation to someone who did not sin? There would be no need for the warning since if you don't sin you won't be condemned so of course there is no condemnation or warning to those who don't sin. The warning or declaration of there being no condemnation is not needed if your not sinning. It's only there for those who have sinned and do believe they must be condemned.

It's telling us that even when you do sin., since you are IN Christ you are NOT and will never be condemned. That is the promise to those who are IN Christ because of Christ., not because of US. We can't even cross the road without getting sidetracked by maybe the flowers on the curb. We are for sure the sheep of His pasture who do occasionally get side tracked by the flitting butterfly and we need a Good Shepherd to keep us on track. Amen.

Thank You Jesus for Your incredible indescribable Gift!!!!
Exactly!

Amen!

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ladylynn again."

Romans 8:1 - indeed, the whole chapter - is about how wonderful the Gospel really is! There is NO condemnation for those who are in Christ. Period!

That truth does not make me want to go out and sin (because there is no condemnation for me), but wells up within me immense gratitude, love, and loyalty to Christ Who has provided me with so wonderful a salvation, which in turn spurs me on to works of righteousness, not to works of sin!

-JGIG
 
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we can go through the bible chapter by chapter, verse by verse, hundreds of times , but until the scripture goes through us, we remain unchanged.