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Thats why I said be gentle. Her approach works for me and I am sure others. I didn't get saved until later in life so I have a different perspective than you.
She makes total sense to me. I am one who can relate to her approach. And her message is solid.
It's not poor communication for me. I understood her point from the get go.
She makes total sense to me. I am one who can relate to her approach. And her message is solid.
It's not poor communication for me. I understood her point from the get go.
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Of course, I've had times of repentance and confession of sins to God and of putting my trust in Christ and only Him. I just can't pin-point any one time in my life where I officially became a follower of Christ, although I did become more serious about my walk at a Year 9 youth camp. Yes, I was raised in a Christian household, but my faith was my own. I've never doubted God's existence and Jesus being the Son of God and dying and rising to save me from sin, death and the devil. I've never doubted that God created the world and everything in it. I've just grown greatly in my understanding of who Jesus is and who He's growing me to be. I don't follow Jesus because: pragmatism or tradition. I follow Jesus because He's the way, the truth and the life. And life makes no sense without Jesus.
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My experience was very similar to yours. I grew up in a very committed Christian home. I get what you are saying. In situations like this, the conversion experience may not be as outwardly dramatic as it is for those who find Christ later in life. Also, it is more difficult to pinpoint the exact moment of conversion. You grow up with a belief and love for Christ (from your earliest memories), and that love deepens as you become more mentally developed and aware of your own sinfulness and need for salvation. I see it as almost a progression. Perhaps initially that faith in Christ is prompted by a trust in your parents. The faith is very simple and childlike. That simple faith is still genuine though. If a child is guided properly, that faith should deepen as his or her understanding does and be accompanied by remorse and sorrow over sin.
I do also get what Stephen is saying. Not everyone who is raised in Christianity does experience true conversion. It's like everything else though; some find Christ in truth and others don't. I think everyone has to be treated individually.
I do also get what Stephen is saying. Not everyone who is raised in Christianity does experience true conversion. It's like everything else though; some find Christ in truth and others don't. I think everyone has to be treated individually.
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Yes, becoming born again involves repenting.
What we're talking about is about born again believers repenting when they sin. Simply turning away 180 degrees from the sin comitted, asking the Lord for forgiveness, and not re-visiting that sin with the change that comes via repentance.
He who is our Mediator and Advocate is good to forgive us when we repent. This is a new dynamic for born again believers in the new covenant, not available for those not born again.
What we're talking about is about born again believers repenting when they sin. Simply turning away 180 degrees from the sin comitted, asking the Lord for forgiveness, and not re-visiting that sin with the change that comes via repentance.
He who is our Mediator and Advocate is good to forgive us when we repent. This is a new dynamic for born again believers in the new covenant, not available for those not born again.
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1 John 2:3 We know that we have come to KNOW him IF we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I KNOW him,” but does not DO what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.5 But IF anyone obeys his word, love for God[a] is truly made complete in them. This is HOW we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
2 Thesalonians 1:8 With flames of fire (hell) He will take vengeance on those who KNOW NOT God, and who obey not the gospel of His Son (water baptism)
2 Thesalonians 1:8 With flames of fire (hell) He will take vengeance on those who KNOW NOT God, and who obey not the gospel of His Son (water baptism)
to start off your post was very confusing at the beginning of thread,
not sure where you where going when you listed 1 John 2 and 2 John 1.
Christ preached the comming kingdom of God to earth, to rule this world.
Most people will say the only thing Christ preached is believe before you die,
and then you go straight to heaven, Christ did it all, there is nothing on our part.
The vast majority of people thinks the 1000 year reign is now on going today.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
our inheritance? what is our inheritance? THE LORD?
well I thought the bible says [we inherit the earth]
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth...
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the bible says the Lord is the Levites inheritance, they have no land
1The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance
with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the Lord made by fire, and his inheritance.
2Therefore shall they have no inheritance among their brethren:
the Lord is their inheritance, as he hath said unto them.
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Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people whom
he hath chosen [for his own inheritance].
not sure where you where going when you listed 1 John 2 and 2 John 1.
Christ preached the comming kingdom of God to earth, to rule this world.
Most people will say the only thing Christ preached is believe before you die,
and then you go straight to heaven, Christ did it all, there is nothing on our part.
The vast majority of people thinks the 1000 year reign is now on going today.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
our inheritance? what is our inheritance? THE LORD?
well I thought the bible says [we inherit the earth]
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth...
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the bible says the Lord is the Levites inheritance, they have no land
1The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance
with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the Lord made by fire, and his inheritance.
2Therefore shall they have no inheritance among their brethren:
the Lord is their inheritance, as he hath said unto them.
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Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people whom
he hath chosen [for his own inheritance].