So what about the fourth commandment?
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yes sir Dan, that is fair.
but again, I did not say, "Dan you are sinning by hang-gliding on the Sabbath".
never said it.
I posted a verse that says you shouldn't do your own pleasure on the Sabbath.
I can't compromise on that. I don't even have the authority to compromise on that.
If you feel like hang gliding is not doing your own pleasure, then yes, I will not judge you myself.
but again, I did not say, "Dan you are sinning by hang-gliding on the Sabbath".
never said it.
I posted a verse that says you shouldn't do your own pleasure on the Sabbath.
I can't compromise on that. I don't even have the authority to compromise on that.
If you feel like hang gliding is not doing your own pleasure, then yes, I will not judge you myself.
(first an aside
the gentleman at 119 ministries has a different take on the "pleasure" verse... my summary of his teaching is that is means "no doing your regular business" on the sabbath
NO PLEASURE ON THE SABBATH
)
the gentleman at 119 ministries has a different take on the "pleasure" verse... my summary of his teaching is that is means "no doing your regular business" on the sabbath
NO PLEASURE ON THE SABBATH
)
you are correct, you never did state directly that I was sinning.
so
as long as I say, "Yes, remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy", and then do whatever fits with my judgement of the scriptures, then we're cool... I'm thinking...
it might be hang gliding... maybe watching football... maybe go to my job, as long as my job is fun and therefore not work...
or not do any of those things, and not drive, or use electricity... I just shouldn't judge those folks that do...
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through lol
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned---13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through lol
not really an answer to my question is it? can the law unsave someone silly.... if you don't want to answer my question then don't but don't attempt to throw it off track. (a common tactic for those who cannot answer) it never fails there is always those who try to day the law is claimed for salvation, anyone who even begins to study the word knows that was NOT its purpose, at way the question was did I miss that someplace? did anyone claim the laws effects salvation? either answer the question or not but don't try to add something else that was never said or implied.
Just to be clear for the truth, I was baptized as a young boy through the Catholic church as proclaiming Jesus as my Saviour and that he died for our sins. I was not an infant but a young boy I'd say around age 7. I became disillusioned with the Catholic church in my early teens. I did make a point to claim God through acceptance of Jesus Christ as my Saviour and re-acknowledged that he died for all our sins until minutes before I went to the video chat. That is when I set my status to Christian. Forgive me if I'm a bit lost but I was under the impression I was free of sin at the point. If I am a thief of something I would like to understand exactly what that is.