So what about the fourth commandment?

[TMS]

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Don't just ignore this, this is inspired writing from God. This is the Ten commandments and it was written after the death of Jesus.
If you you break one "thou art become a transgressor of the law" and the Sabbath is one of them.

Faith is not against works the law isn't against grace.

 

[TMS]

Have you Yonah received Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Because if you have the you are under Grace and not under the Law.

Why are you trying to put us True Children of God under the Law?

God said "Keep Holy the Sabbath", which we are doing. So why are you judging us?

i agree that we are not under the law..
So can i steal your car? because i'm not under the law can i kill or take the Lords name in vain?
If i steal your car, can you judge me as a thief? Why are you judging me?
Because Jesus obeyed the law perfectly for me, and applies Grace when i fail, that does not give me the right to sin.

 

[disciplemike]

it's no different now that in ancient Israel.

people will find dozens of reasons (or excuses) why they are not going to obey God.

 

[Ahwatukee]

i agree that we are not under the law..
So can i steal your car? because i'm not under the law can i kill or take the Lords name in vain?
If i steal your car, can you judge me as a thief? Why are you judging me?
Because Jesus obeyed the law perfectly for me, and applies Grace when i fail, that does not give me the right to sin.

If you are walking after Christ and are led by the Spirit, then you are not going to live according to the sinful nature. Not being under the law does not give us Carte Blanche to sin. Salvation is by faith in the One who met the righteous requirements of the law and paid the penalty for our sins. Those who are in Christ are always in a state of overcoming the sinful nature and when we sin, we confess our sins and he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

Anyone who depends on works as a requirement for salvation, such as trying to keep the ten commandments, abstaining from foods, keeping the Sabbath and whatever else one might do as a requirement, will not obtain eternal life. Eternal life is by faith in the shed blood of Christ. If someone brings other requirements along side of what Christ did, it is the same as saying that Christ's sacrifice was not sufficient.

 

[TMS]

If you are walking after Christ and are led by the Spirit, then you are not going to live according to the sinful nature. Not being under the law does not give us Carte Blanche to sin. Salvation is by faith in the One who met the righteous requirements of the law and paid the penalty for our sins. Those who are in Christ are always in a state of overcoming the sinful nature and when we sin, we confess our sins and he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

Anyone who depends on works as a requirement for salvation, such as trying to keep the ten commandments, abstaining from foods, keeping the Sabbath and whatever else one might do as a requirement, will not obtain eternal life. Eternal life is by faith in the shed blood of Christ. If someone brings other requirements along side of what Christ did, it is the same as saying that Christ's sacrifice was not sufficient.

i agree with most of what you say
"when we sin, we confess our sins and he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness." So how do we know what is sin?
So are you saying there is no laws to explain what sin is?
Are you saying the the only way we know sin is by the spirit?

 

[TMS]

The word plainly states not to kill or steal or lie, and most people have no problem saying they are sins.
If i obey these laws because i love Jesus and because i am walking in the spirit no one thinks i'm a legalist that is trying to save myself by works. But if i obey the Sabbath for the same reason i am classed as working my way to heaven. WHY?

 

[Dan_473]

just keep reading in chapter 5.
Paul mentions some characteristics of a person who is walking "in the flesh".
idolatry is one. why would your neighbor care about your idolatry?

because people who turn to idols always turn it into, like, a war god or a sex god... these thing demean your neighbor created in the image of God.


so,
GALATIANS 5:14 All of Moses' Teachings are summarized in a single statement, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself."

whether we understand it or not, do you agree this is true?

 

[Dan_473]

so,
GALATIANS 5:14 All of Moses' Teachings are summarized in a single statement, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself."

I meant to add this part
whether we understand it or not, do you agree this is true?

 

[disciplemike]

so,
GALATIANS 5:14 All of Moses' Teachings are summarized in a single statement, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself."

I meant to add this part
whether we understand it or not, do you agree this is true?

I agree that is a summary of how to treat our neighbors yes.
There is also that loving God thing to deal with.

 

[Dan_473]

I agree that is a summary of how to treat our neighbors yes.
There is also that loving God thing to deal with.

yet Paul says it's a single statement... how can this be?

 

[disciplemike]

yet Paul says it's a single statement... how can this be?

I am not sure. Maybe we can ask him one day!

 

[Dan_473]

I am not sure. Maybe we can ask him one day!

great idea!

but while we're here on earth, does it sound like a good idea to preach the law of moses and at the same time not understand how it is summarized?

 

[disciplemike]

great idea!

but while we're here on earth, does it sound like a good idea to preach the law of moses and at the same time not understand how it is summarized?

is it a good idea to say that the law of Moses was wiped away by letter from Paul, and probably most likely be misunderstanding Paul, just like Peter warned us about?

 

[Dan_473]

is it a good idea to say that the law of Moses was wiped away by letter from Paul, and probably most likely be misunderstanding Paul, just like Peter warned us about?

Well, not wiped away, summarized

 

[beta]

is it a good idea to say that the law of Moses was wiped away by letter from Paul, and probably most likely be misunderstanding Paul, just like Peter warned us about?

That is exactly the case dm, Paul is mostly MISunderstood !
The way it seems to me is that people who call themselves 'Christians don't actually follow Christ but Paul. This is just the same as people only hearing Moses and not God. History is repeating itself in the modern Christian....they are quick to quote Paul - not Jesus.
Take this 'loving your neighbour as yourself (some can't let go of), it means more to them than JESUS saying 'we are to love neighbour as HE loved us' and would be a far better example than looking to ourselves as the guiding light. God/Jesus do not have priority in christian life !

 

[beta]

i agree with most of what you say
"when we sin, we confess our sins and he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness." So how do we know what is sin?
So are you saying there is no laws to explain what sin is?
Are you saying the the only way we know sin is by the spirit?

The Bible gives a very clear definition of sin 1Joh 3v4.'Sin is the transgressing of the law'. Not knowing which law that is gets people into trouble and confusion.

 

[beta]

Well, not wiped away, summarized

Summarized into 2 groups....why do you completely ignore the FIRST ?

 

[Dan_473]

That is exactly the case dm, Paul is mostly MISunderstood !
The way it seems to me is that people who call themselves 'Christians don't actually follow Christ but Paul. This is just the same as people only hearing Moses and not God. History is repeating itself in the modern Christian....they are quick to quote Paul - not Jesus.
Take this 'loving your neighbour as yourself (some can't let go of), it means more to them than JESUS saying 'we are to love neighbour as HE loved us' and would be a far better example than looking to ourselves as the guiding light. God/Jesus do not have priority in christian life !

ST. MATTHEW 17:25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?
ST. MATTHEW 17:26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

 

[Dan_473]

Summarized into 2 groups....why do you completely ignore the FIRST ?

the passage Mike and I were talking about speaks of a single statement

GALATIANS 5:14 All of Moses' Teachings are

summarized in a single statement

"Love your neighbor as you love yourself."

 

[disciplemike]

I don't think so Dan.
God says, (in the law of Moses) that we should have no other god before him.

How is that kept by loving your neighbor?