Water and the seas

[RickyZ]

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good


20And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

28God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

Revelation 21

1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

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In the beginning of this earth, God created the seas and filled them with life. But we see that with the new earth, there is no longer any seas. Oceans are some of the most beautiful and lively places on our earth. Why would God exclude them from the new earth?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You have to understand that there is a lot of symbolic language in scripture, especially in the book of Revelation. Waters and seas can refer to Nations, peoples etc.

Isaiah 17:12
Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!


Isaiah 17:13
The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.

Revelation 17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

So if the "sea" in Rev 21:1 is symbolic of all the nations, then you can see it makes sense since God said in Jeremiah 30:11
"For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.


Jeremiah 46:28
Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the Lord: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished."

 

[RickyZ]

In Genesis, the seas were created before people and before people could populate enough to form nations. Too, in Revelation 21:24 we see that there are nations of people on the new earth. So it doesn't fit that the omission of seas on the new earth means there will be no nations there.

 

[mpaper345]

Revelation 21

1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

***

In the beginning of this earth, God created the seas and filled them with life. But we see that with the new earth, there is no longer any seas. Oceans are some of the most beautiful and lively places on our earth. Why would God exclude them from the new earth?

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

The New Jerusalem is a spiritual earth,so it is made of precious stones,street of gold,pearls,and the such,and the Bible says the old earth will not be remembered,and will not come to mind,for it is associated with sin and rebellion.

It is a spiritual kingdom,with the saints having a glorified body,that does not have a sun or moon,but the Lamb is the light thereof,which God will shine out of the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus,and light the New Jerusalem.

The gate will never be shut,for there is no enemies that can invade,and have to keep out.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

This is the only reference to something of a physical nature,the tree of life,which the tree of life was in the garden of Eden,and a pure river of water of life,clear as crystal,proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb,which a river went out of Eden to water the garden.

Which these must have to be there for people started out physical,and must remain forever to have the spiritual in effect with them.


Which appears as if the river,and the tree of life,must remain forever to identify with the garden of Eden,where Adam and Eve started,when they had a relationship with God,before they sinned.

It seems it would be something like that.

The New Jerusalem is spiritual,so no seas,no moon,no sun,no mountains,no clouds,and the such,but made of precious stones,gold,pearls,and the such,and the river proceeding out of the throne,and the tree of life,to identify with the garden of Eden.

 

[Joidevivre]

I will for sure miss my beach.

 

[Grace777x70]

Maybe there will be someplace in the universe...worlds that are full of oceans for us to go visit? There they will have beaches too...

 

[Tintin]

To the Jewish people, the sea was symbolic of chaos. There will be no chaos on the New Heavens and the New Earth. That's it. I'm sure there will be seas (as in the big bodies of water surrounding the continents).

 

[Bladerunner]

Revelation 21

1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

***

In the beginning of this earth, God created the seas and filled them with life. But we see that with the new earth, there is no longer any seas. Oceans are some of the most beautiful and lively places on our earth. Why would God exclude them from the new earth?

you got to rem, that if you are in heaven, (the new earth) you will have a new body (of light) and will not need the sea or the fish in it. The seas and its animals were made for man's use while he was on this earth we populate today.

 

[Tintin]

The New Jerusalem is spiritual,so no seas,no moon,no sun,no mountains,no clouds,and the such,but made of precious stones,gold,pearls,and the such,and the river proceeding out of the throne,and the tree of life,to identify with the garden of Eden.

Nonsense. The Bible tells us time and time again that the New Heavens and the New Earth will be more real than this fallen planet on which we live. It will be intensely physical and intensely spiritual. A perfect bleeding through of both realities for God's glory and our refreshment in Him.

 

[Tintin]

you got to rem, that if you are in heaven, (the new earth) you will have a new body (of light) and will not need the sea or the fish in it. The seas and its animals were made for man's use while he was on this earth we populate today.

Nope. On the New Heavens and the New Earth we will have glorified, new, physical bodies.

 

[RickyZ]

The New Jerusalem isn't the new earth, it is for lack of a better term the capitol of the new earth. And all of it, including ourselves, will be both spiritual and physical. I can see what Tintin has to say about seas representing chaos - that makes sense. And the great possibility of there being a universe of planets to explore. Everything we think we know about this current creation is but a drop in the bucket of our existence... and that bucket is but a tenth of all God created. If God went to such lengths with this creation, I can't wait to see what He has in mind for the next! But I do love the beach...

 

[p_rehbein]

QUOTE:

In the beginning of this earth, God created the seas and filled them with life. But we see that with the new earth, there is no longer any seas. Oceans are some of the most beautiful and lively places on our earth. Why would God exclude them from the new earth?

END QUOTATION.........

Best reason yet to not believe in this whole new earth thingy were folks are gonna live...........NO SEAS.........equals......... NO FISHING! Ya can't call it Heaven IF THERE AIN'T NO FISHING!

 

[Ahwatukee]

QUOTE:

In the beginning of this earth, God created the seas and filled them with life. But we see that with the new earth, there is no longer any seas. Oceans are some of the most beautiful and lively places on our earth. Why would God exclude them from the new earth?

END QUOTATION.........

Best reason yet to not believe in this whole new earth thingy were folks are gonna live...........NO SEAS.........equals......... NO FISHING! Ya can't call it Heaven IF THERE AIN'T NO FISHING!

The surfers are going to be bummed.

 

[wolfwint]

"In the beginning of this earth, God created the seas and filled them with life. But we see that with the new earth, there is no longer any seas. Oceans are some of the most beautiful and lively places on our earth. Why would God exclude them from the new earth?"


How ever it will be, I am shure nobody will have a reason to miss something from our old planet!

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

The surfers are going to be bummed.

But they already are bums?

 

[Ahwatukee]

But they already are bums?

They'll be even more so without any ocean or waves to ride. But in reality, I'm sure that they won't be concerned about it.

 

[BeyondET]

But they already are bums?

Shaka Brah

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

In Genesis, the seas were created before people and before people could populate enough to form nations. Too, in Revelation 21:24 we see that there are nations of people on the new earth. So it doesn't fit that the omission of seas on the new earth means there will be no nations there.

I was referring to the symbolic language found in the book of Revelation as compared to other places concerning the former nations that will be no more as being compared to many waters and a sea.

Compare these verses concerning the end of the nations/kingdoms of this world...

Isaiah 17:13
The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind."

Now compare and look at prophecy and the wording in red concerning the end of the kingdoms and nations of this present age in Daniel 2....

[SUP]34 [/SUP]Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth."

The above prophecy is about the end of all nations and kingdoms of this present age. The kingdoms and nations of this world will become God's, shown here---->>>>


Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


So though there will be people saved and gathered out of those former nations, the present glory and reign of the Kingdoms and nations of this world will be no more, but all will become the kingdoms of the Lord.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Shaka Brah

 

[Grace777x70]

QUOTE:

In the beginning of this earth, God created the seas and filled them with life. But we see that with the new earth, there is no longer any seas. Oceans are some of the most beautiful and lively places on our earth. Why would God exclude them from the new earth?

END QUOTATION.........

Best reason yet to not believe in this whole new earth thingy were folks are gonna live...........NO SEAS.........equals......... NO FISHING! Ya can't call it Heaven IF THERE AIN'T NO FISHING!

Amen..that is blasphemy...no fishing?...lol