For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

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For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation


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Stunnedbygrace

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Good question.

I believe the scriptures teach that it is to rely on Christ for everything. We rest in what He has done Himself and we cease from our own labors. This means stop trying to do things to qualify ourselves for the promises and life of Christ. Christ Himself qualifies us for all things and we experience these by grace through faith in Christ alone. - Not what we do or don't do.

Hebrews 4:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience. ( this is unbelief in the Greek )


The New Covenant is all about Christ and what He has done and what that means to us. We can try to live the Christian life by our own will-power and self-effort or we can rely on Christ alone. His grace will supply all that we need - including the good works that will manifest from His life expressing itself in and through us.
Yes...I agree.
So in a practical manner, how would we help someone to this rest?
It occurs to me that what I just posted in another thread would help here, so I'll go find it and post it here. Be right back. :)
 

Stunnedbygrace

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Okay, here it is:

These are very deep matters we are discussing here. It can get tricky.
Jesus says if anyone teaches another to break the least of Gods' laws it's not going to go well for them.

So if I see someone believing they are not breaking Gods' law but are keeping it well by observing a day of the week to focus on God only, but then I see them eaten up with worry about their job or how they will pay the rent, I clearly see that they are outwardly keeping the law but inwardly are in disobedience and lack of trust in God (true Sabbath rest in spirit and truth. )

I'm certainly not going to urge them to outward disobedience, but it would do them harm if I didn't try to talk to them about the spirit and truth of the matter, because I clearly see their disobedience and lack of faith. So I have to do everything in my power, by the Spirit in me, to give them help that will build them up in their faith.

So...it's tricky.
 
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Yes...I agree.
So in a practical manner, how would we help someone to this rest?
It occurs to me that what I just posted in another thread would help here, so I'll go find it and post it here. Be right back. :)

I believe the way to help us all in this practically is in the preaching and teaching of the gospel of Christ as it is the only thing that has the power for salvation. Rom 1:16-17 Salvation is a whole lot more than just going to heaven ( despite the awesome fact and reality that will be when it happens! )

The complete reliance on Christ comes from hearing about Christ Himself and all that He has already done for us.

Hebrews 4:11 says that they did not enter into the "rest" that was provided because of disobedience which is unbelief in what was spoken to them. The hearing of Christ brings faith.

Faith appropriates the rest that is in Christ in our practical lives. This will manifest as peace, joy, love and in His good works being expressed in and through us to others.

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
 
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Okay, here it is:

These are very deep matters we are discussing here. It can get tricky.
Jesus says if anyone teaches another to break the least of Gods' laws it's not going to go well for them.

So if I see someone believing they are not breaking Gods' law but are keeping it well by observing a day of the week to focus on God only, but then I see them eaten up with worry about their job or how they will pay the rent, I clearly see that they are outwardly keeping the law but inwardly are in disobedience and lack of trust in God (true Sabbath rest in spirit and truth. )

I'm certainly not going to urge them to outward disobedience, but it would do them harm if I didn't try to talk to them about the spirit and truth of the matter, because I clearly see their disobedience and lack of faith. So I have to do everything in my power, by the Spirit in me, to give them help that will build them up in their faith.

So...it's tricky.
Great post!

Of course we still need to interpret all of God's word through what Christ has done or we will end up still be trying to kill Isaac on the altar because "God said to do it" and "We are to obey God's word says Abraham while he slays Isaac" - when God has given us other instructions after the Isaac commandment.

I'm sure that Isaac was happy that dad listened to the "now" word of God...selah
 

Stunnedbygrace

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I believe the way to help us all in this practically is in the preaching and teaching of the gospel of Christ as it is the only thing that has the power for salvation. Rom 1:16-17 Salvation is a whole lot more than just going to heaven ( despite the awesome fact and reality that will be when it happens! )

The complete reliance on Christ comes from hearing about Christ Himself and all that He has already done for us.

Hebrews 4:11 says that they did not enter into the "rest" that was provided because of disobedience which is unbelief in what was spoken to them. The hearing of Christ brings faith.

Faith appropriates the rest that is in Christ in our practical lives. This will manifest as peace, joy, love and in His good works being expressed in and through us to others.

Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
Yes.
And what Jesus said is that we are not to worry what we will eat and drink. So worrying about earthly matters is disobedience to Christ, because we are not trusting Him and doing what He said. We are not resting in Him and depending on Him, just as Israel was not when they worried about what they would eat and drink in the desert.
 

Stunnedbygrace

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Great post!

Of course we still need to interpret all of God's word through what Christ has done or we will end up still be trying to kill Isaac on the altar because "God said to do it" and "We are to obey God's word says Abraham while he slays Isaac" - when God has given us other instructions after the Isaac commandment.

I'm sure that Isaac was happy that dad listened to the "now" word of God...selah
This works in reverse too. :)
If God told a man to marry a prostitute today, and he obeyed, every religious person on earth would throw rocks at him and say God would NEVER tell a man to marry a prostitute, even though He once did!
 

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Yes.
And what Jesus said is that we are not to worry what we will eat and drink. So worrying about earthly matters is disobedience to Christ, because we are not trusting Him and doing what He said. We are not resting in Him and depending on Him, just as Israel was not when they worried about what they would eat and drink in the desert.
I like the verse in the Bible where it says that without faith it is impossible to please him. God doesn't want us to be worried and doubtful. He wants us to be happy knowing that he is able and will supply. I think that in putting our faith in Jesus, we are not only pleasing him but pleasing ourselves because we can be happy and free from the worries and cares of this world knowing that our God will protect us and supply us with what we need. There is joy, peace, happiness and security in putting our faith in God.

Hebrew 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
 
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Yes.
And what Jesus said is that we are not to worry what we will eat and drink. So worrying about earthly matters is disobedience to Christ, because we are not trusting Him and doing what He said. We are not resting in Him and depending on Him, just as Israel was not when they worried about what they would eat and drink in the desert.
I agree....and the good news of His grace and love for us compels us to continue to rely on Christ alone even in the face that we have "worried about things and not trusted Him in all things".

That's the good news of the gospel of Christ. We are accepted and qualified for all things because of Christ alone. We can "rest" in the truth of that.

I believe the true Christian life starts and ends with Jesus only and we experience His life in us by grace through faith.
 

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I like the verse in the Bible where it says that without faith it is impossible to please him. God doesn't want us to be worried and doubtful. He wants us to be happy knowing that he is able and will supply. I think that in putting our faith in Jesus, we are not only pleasing him but pleasing ourselves because we can be happy and free from the worries and cares of this world knowing that our God will protect us and supply us with what we need. There is joy, peace, happiness and security in putting our faith in God.

Hebrew 11:6
But withoutfaith it is impossible to pleasehim: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Yes. :)
And we should take care to see that our hearts do not become evil and hardened through unbelief and are to run our race to believe and trust Him more and more. So when He shows us an area that we are worrying in, we talk with Him about it and ask Him for the help we need to overcome. :)
 

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I agree....and the good news of His grace and love for us compels us to continue to rely on Christ alone even in the face that we have "worried about things and not trusted Him in all things".

Yes. :)
We thank Him that He even showed us the disobedience we weren't aware we were in and the lack of trust we were in! And we begin to see every test of our faith as great opportunity to learn to obey and trust and rest even more. :)
 

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Okay, here it is:

These are very deep matters we are discussing here. It can get tricky.
Jesus says if anyone teaches another to break the least of Gods' laws it's not going to go well for them.

So if I see someone believing they are not breaking Gods' law but are keeping it well by observing a day of the week to focus on God only, but then I see them eaten up with worry about their job or how they will pay the rent, I clearly see that they are outwardly keeping the law but inwardly are in disobedience and lack of trust in God (true Sabbath rest in spirit and truth. )

I'm certainly not going to urge them to outward disobedience, but it would do them harm if I didn't try to talk to them about the spirit and truth of the matter, because I clearly see their disobedience and lack of faith. So I have to do everything in my power, by the Spirit in me, to give them help that will build them up in their faith.

So...it's tricky.
I thought to give another example of the spirit and truth of another of Gods laws just as I did with the one on true Sabbath rest.

If I see someone believing they are obeying Gods' law to not murder because they have never physically murdered, but I see them eaten up with angers and resentments and offense (which I have seen happen DURING a church service when one woman got up and complained about someone who didn't send flowers to a friend in the hospital and another woman flew up out of her seat and tersely explained that only members on the...role? whatever that means, received flowers in the hospital. They were visibly murdering each other as everyone looked on and I wanted to get up and say I would be glad to send her friend some flowers if she gave me her name and the hospital she was in, but I was too shocked and sick at what I was seeing, while the pastor didn't do anything to try to help them to see that they were murdering one another. If ever a man was in tune with the Holy Spirit, I can't imagine he wouldn't be led to immediately throw out whatever sermon he had prepared and just break out into a true teaching of the gospel in spirit and truth right then and there.

So if you've been taught the spirit and truth of Gods' command to not murder, and you see someone thinking they are obeying God even WHILE they're visibly murdering, you have to at least plant that seed of the spirit and truth of the matter.
 
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I do not understand this spirit of contention and confrontation in this thread.

My understanding is we come to share how we eachunderstand.

I do notconsider it judaizing to explain why I love the Seventh Day as the Sabbath of the Lord. For me it is quite simple, it is the day chosen by our Father to rest when He created all we see in six days. He gave mankind the seventh day as a gift to rest and share with Him.

It is not my fault men make it something it is not.

Also, if people here think it appropriate to call names of others simply because their own behavior in the sight of the Father is executed with a clear conscience, then those peope do not believe what Pau has shared, at leas not all of what he shares.

If a person prefers the first day of the week as the Sabbath of the Lord, and observes it with a cearl conscience in God's sight, that person is not sinning. Why, when people do the same on the Seventh day he is condemned by others as a judaizer?

Do yo folks read the Word you claim to know so well?
I would agree the word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word. It simply meaning rest with no other meaning added. .

The proper transliteration would be like below .

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the new era of Sabbaths (rests) , not week a time sensitive word, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
 

BrokenSparrow

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I thought to give another example of the spirit and truth of another of Gods laws just as I did with the one on true Sabbath rest.

If I see someone believing they are obeying Gods' law to not murder because they have never physically murdered, but I see them eaten up with angers and resentments and offense (which I have seen happen DURING a church service when one woman got up and complained about someone who didn't send flowers to a friend in the hospital and another woman flew up out of her seat and tersely explained that only members on the...role? whatever that means, received flowers in the hospital. They were visibly murdering each other as everyone looked on and I wanted to get up and say I would be glad to send her friend some flowers if she gave me her name and the hospital she was in, but I was too shocked and sick at what I was seeing, while the pastor didn't do anything to try to help them to see that they were murdering one another. If ever a man was in tune with the Holy Spirit, I can't imagine he wouldn't be led to immediately throw out whatever sermon he had prepared and just break out into a true teaching of the gospel in spirit and truth right then and there.

So if you've been taught the spirit and truth of Gods' command to not murder, and you see someone thinking they are obeying God even WHILE they're visibly murdering, you have to at least plant that seed of the spirit and truth of the matter.
I think you have added many good points here.

In Matthew chapter 5, Jesus was talking about the law and righteousness and stated that unless our righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees that we should in no wise enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

I would say the scribes and the Pharisees were all about keeping the aspects of the law such as the feasts and the Sabbath. I think they tried to keep those aspects of the law for a show so that they would look righteous. However, they did not seem to have any love for others. They only wanted to look superior and holier than others. They even tried to accuse Jesus of breaking the law of the Sabbath. They were probably all about the law and accusing others of breaking it which showed that they had no love within them. So their righteousness or actually their pretense of being righteous seemed to be just for show. I think that is why Jesus went on to explain the law in its wholeness and what was expected of a righteous person in the rest of Matthew Chapter 5.
 

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I think you have added many good points here.

In Matthew chapter 5, Jesus was talking about the law and righteousness and stated that unless our righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees that we should in no wise enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

I would say the scribes and the Pharisees were all about keeping the aspects of the law such as the feasts and the Sabbath. I think they tried to keep those aspects of the law for a show so that they would look righteous. However, they did not seem to have any love for others. They only wanted to look superior and holier than others. They even tried to accuse Jesus of breaking the law of the Sabbath. They were probably all about the law and accusing others of breaking it which showed that they had no love within them. So their righteousness or actually their pretense of being righteous seemed to be just for show. I think that is why Jesus went on to explain the law in its wholeness and what was expected of a righteous person in the rest of Matthew Chapter 5.
Yes. :)
And here is where someone will probably want it to be pointed out, (because it's true and it's important), that just knowing this is not the end of the matter. I'm probably a good one to point out the ditch here, because it happens to be a ditch that I myself fell into for quite some time. I began to be shown the spirit and truth of Gods' commands and I understood what I was being shown and I rejoiced in it because I saw how deeply truthful and holy His commands were. But I somehow didn't understand that just knowing it and so trying to obey it wouldn't work to make me obedient. I didn't know I had become like the Galatians and was trying to finish in the flesh what had begun by and in the Spirit. So the harder I tried to walk holy and love and not murder, the further I got off track. Because we have to trust Him to make us holy just as we have to trust Him to save us.

There's another ditch a little ways past that one that I have some experience of having fallen into also. After I learned where I went wrong and that it stemmed from relying on my own strength and working, I began to see some great victories over my murdering and it's all because I returned to my first love and depended only on Him again. But having been given the blessing of some victory over my enemies, I turned haughty with others who hadn't yet come to the knowledge I had and I blamed them for lack of growth - they just aren't seeking Him as hard as I did, they just refuse to let go of their pride, etc. As if I had had anything to do with any increase in virtue in myself other than radical trust.

Pilgrims Progress is such a good book because it talks about numerous ditches that one can fall into. It's very helpful to read for people like me who seem to so easily fall into ditches, especially ones that satan helps us into with his mutterings.:)
 

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Yes. :)
And here is where someone will probably want it to be pointed out, (because it's true and it's important), that just knowing this is not the end of the matter. I'm probably a good one to point out the ditch here, because it happens to be a ditch that I myself fell into for quite some time. I began to be shown the spirit and truth of Gods' commands and I understood what I was being shown and I rejoiced in it because I saw how deeply truthful and holy His commands were. But I somehow didn't understand that just knowing it and so trying to obey it wouldn't work to make me obedient. I didn't know I had become like the Galatians and was trying to finish in the flesh what had begun by and in the Spirit. So the harder I tried to walk holy and love and not murder, the further I got off track. Because we have to trust Him to make us holy just as we have to trust Him to save us.

There's another ditch a little ways past that one that I have some experience of having fallen into also. After I learned where I went wrong and that it stemmed from relying on my own strength and working, I began to see some great victories over my murdering and it's all because I returned to my first love and depended only on Him again. But having been given the blessing of some victory over my enemies, I turned haughty with others who hadn't yet come to the knowledge I had and I blamed them for lack of growth - they just aren't seeking Him as hard as I did, they just refuse to let go of their pride, etc. As if I had had anything to do with any increase in virtue in myself other than radical trust.

Pilgrims Progress is such a good book because it talks about numerous ditches that one can fall into. It's very helpful to read for people like me who seem to so easily fall into ditches, especially ones that satan helps us into with his mutterings.:)
That was an awesome post. Thanks for posting that. I am one who has fell in those ditches as well. Seems like the Lord would teach me how to overcome one thing and then I would fall for something else. I too thought I would have to do it by my own works and the harder I worked seemed like the harder I fell. To a point to where, I felt worthless and like I could no way be a Christian. I even came on this site in desperation because of it. I think it was you and some of the others on here like grace777, and the people on my friends list (I put them on my friends list because I truly needed a friend that day and they were there to help and even though they did not know me they were truly my friend that day) that encouraged me and helped me to gain a perspective on it. That I must put my faith and trust in Jesus and let him help me because there is no way that I can do it on my own or of my own works.

I would once again like to thank you and everyone who talked to me that day about it. I also want to thank God for helping me to find this site. I needed encouragement and help and he allowed me to come to this site to find good people who provided me with the truth of God's words and the encouragement that I needed.

Thanks. :)

And sorry to anyone else if I just went off topic in this thread.
 

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It's okay to go off topic to thank God, sparrow. :) I am so glad to have found another sister!
 
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Do you keep the whole Law of Moses? If not then in your own words you are being dis-obedient to God.
I am going to show you how silly your argument is.

You keep on telling us that God is writing the law on your heart. From now on if you quote any Bible verse I will not read it because you are the direct line to God and therefor the Bible and the verses you quote have no relevance in any argument. :) That is why I say a "free for all" religion. Without God's Word we will contradict each other and your argument will be "I heard it directly from God" and mine would be, "no but God told me". :) You see we are human after all. What is good for me is bad for you.


I will take this a bit further if you want to. The serial killer living in your town has a part in his brain that is basically not functioning like yours. He hear directly from god to murder and kill people. What are you going to quote him because according to you we can all plug in to our source.

If the Spirit leads you in anything contradicting God's Word I can tell you now it is a different spirit teaching you. Maybe Grace my dear brother you are enlightened and God is teaching you without the Bible, but my Bible teach me that we should test it to the source (the word of God). Without that we have a free for all and everyone of us will start a different denomination.......... oh wait that is already happening :)

Read the Old Testament, see if Jesus is contradicting one thing and then search the source. You will see that the word of God will always explain the word of God brother without any contradictions. The law of God is good, it teaches us covenant. We are the bride and we are in covenant with the Father. If you are not in covenant with the Father you must ask Him to teach you why not. I can guarantee you, you are wrong because He is God :)

Blessings.
 
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Originally Posted by Grace777x70


Do you keep the whole Law of Moses? If not then in your own words you are being dis-obedient to God.


I am going to show you how silly your argument is.

You keep on telling us that God is writing the law on your heart. From now on if you quote any Bible verse I will not read it because you are the direct line to God and therefor the Bible and the verses you quote have no relevance in any argument. :) That is why I say a "free for all" religion. Without God's Word we will contradict each other and your argument will be "I heard it directly from God" and mine would be, "no but God told me". :) You see we are human after all. What is good for me is bad for you.


I will take this a bit further if you want to. The serial killer living in your town has a part in his brain that is basically not functioning like yours. He hear directly from god to murder and kill people. What are you going to quote him because according to you we can all plug in to our source.

If the Spirit leads you in anything contradicting God's Word I can tell you now it is a different spirit teaching you. Maybe Grace my dear brother you are enlightened and God is teaching you without the Bible, but my Bible teach me that we should test it to the source (the word of God). Without that we have a free for all and everyone of us will start a different denomination.......... oh wait that is already happening :)

Read the Old Testament, see if Jesus is contradicting one thing and then search the source. You will see that the word of God will always explain the word of God brother without any contradictions. The law of God is good, it teaches us covenant. We are the bride and we are in covenant with the Father. If you are not in covenant with the Father you must ask Him to teach you why not. I can guarantee you, you are wrong because He is God :)

Blessings.
The reason why I said the above in brown is because of James and Paul.

James 2:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Romans 10:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.


[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

Romans 3:19 (KJV)
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Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

We Christians are in the New Covenant which means that we are not under the Law of Moses but under grace ( the Old Covenant which is now been made obsolete in Christ ), have died to the Law of Moses and have been released from the Law. Romans 6:14 and Romans 7:4-6.

Yes , the Law is holy and righteous but it is not for the Christian. The law written on our hearts is Christ Himself. The law of Moses is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

We were never meant to eat from that tree as we know this by what God told Adam. This tree of the knowledge of good and evil is for God alone. We are to eat from the tree of Life - Christ Himself.

I am NOT against the law of Moses - I am for the Law for the purpose it was made and that is to bring us to Christ Himself.



Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.


The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24

The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law!
When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now, and the law of liberty in Christ Jesus and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ). The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.

But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.

People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.

If someone wants to observe a particular day , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so.
These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.

It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.


This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10

You are free my brother to do whatever you desire as far as observing anything in the law of Moses. You have that liberty in Christ but that is just a personal thing and it has nothing to do with being righteous or in obtaining salvation because those only come by grace through faith in what Jesus has done for us.

Bless you and have a great week.
 
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Do you keep the whole Law of Moses? If not then in your own words you are being dis-obedient to God.
if that is good, why not?
Romans 7:12
12 | So that the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good.

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

The reason why I said the above in brown is because of James and Paul.

James 2:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

right, for some kind of people, it's possible

1John 3:9
9 | Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin,
because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.
because they have the holy spirit with them
Hebrews 10:15 - 16
15 | And the Holy Spirit also beareth witness to us; for after he hath said,
16 | This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, saith the Lord: I will put my laws on their heart, And upon their mind also will I write them; 'then saith he,'

Originally Posted by Grace777x70


Romans 10:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.


[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

end of the law of priesthood, but not all the law
before, there is levitical priesthood but there is imperfection so Jesus is the end of it
Hebrews 7:11
11 | Now if there was perfection through the Levitical priesthood (for under it hath the people received the law), what further need 'was there' that another priest should arise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be reckoned after the order of Aaron?


but now,we just need to have faith in Jesus Christ
1Peter 2:5
5 | ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by Grace777x70
Romans 3:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

We Christians are in the New Covenant which means that we are not under the Law of Moses but under grace ( the Old Covenant which is now been made obsolete in Christ ), have died to the Law of Moses and have been released from the Law. Romans 6:14 and Romans 7:4-6.


Romans 6:14
14 | For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under
law, but under grace.
"under grace" doesn't mean that we can live without the law,
Romans 3:31
31 | Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.

man under grace establish the law because he keep it automaticaly
Originally Posted by Grace777x70
The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24

So we should keep the law, unless there is nothing to lead us to Christ
Romans 2:12
12 | For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;

if someone sinned without law mean if he don't know the law, he perish
if someone sinned even if he know the law, he perish, but there are sin that not into death

1John 5:17
17 | All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Originally Posted by Grace777x70
The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law!When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.

you mean "Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law of levitic priesthood"
Jesus fulfilled not all the law, but the law of priesthood

Hebrews 7:11 - 12
11 | Now if there was perfection through the Levitical priesthood (for under it hath the people received the law), what further need 'was there' that another priest should arise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be reckoned after the order of Aaron?
12 | For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

be carefull, it mean law of priesthood

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now, and the law of liberty in Christ Jesus and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ). The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.

Romans 3:31
31 | Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law.

Originally Posted by Grace777x70
But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

sin=unrighteousness
1John 5:17
17 | All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.


sin=lawlessness
1John 3:4
4 | Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.


so law=righteousness