The King James Only Debate

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stonesoffire

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I understand perfectly, it is just your interpretation of them.
Just addressing this comment which is about symbols. Symbols are seen in the definitions of the Hebrew language. Its never someone interpreting out of their own mind. They should say the same thing all through the scriptures.

This is why I prefer the KJV for study.
 

Dan_473

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I guess you mean willingly ignoring the obvious, and yes I believe some people do. An inerrant bible gives a standard for doctrine, but some people prefer to set their own standards.

Deceived by Satan - Not by choosing an NIV but by the words written in the NIV. The NIV supports another gospel, not the gospel of grace.

I wouldn't say punished but rather God puts them under cruel authority. The more complete answer to question is found here:

Numbers 21:5-8 KJV
And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

[6] And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

[7] Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord , and against thee; pray unto the Lord , that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.

[8] And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

If a persons soul loathes light bread, then God will send in the fiery flying serpents... some will die and some willl look upon the serpent on the pole and live. If you dont understand the symbolism, follow the key below.

Light Bread - word of God.
Fiery - from hell.
Flying - spirits.
Serpents - decievers.

Edit: Keep in mind that from 1611 until Wecott and Hort there were no fiery flying serpents.
so again, speaking gently...

your interpretation of manna representing the kjv is basically a prophecy.

it's my sense from the holy spirit that your prophecy is not from God, in this case.

1 CORINTHIANS 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:


1 CORINTHIANS 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
 
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so again, speaking gently...

your interpretation of manna representing the kjv is basically a prophecy.

it's my sense from the holy spirit that your prophecy is not from God, in this case.

1 CORINTHIANS 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:


1 CORINTHIANS 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
No manna represents the word of God in any language at any time in history. The KJV would be an example of manna but not the only one.
 
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Dan check this out... it's KJV secret code that identifies manna as the Word of God.

John 6:32-33 KJV
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. [33] For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
 

Billyd

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Time to take a break. While you are there take time to read "The Cannon of Scripture", by F. F. Bruce.
 

Dan_473

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No manna represents the word of God in any language at any time in history. The KJV would be an example of manna but not the only one.
OK but... in English, in our time, manna doesn't represent the kjv
 

Dan_473

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Dan check this out... it's KJV secret code that identifies manna as the Word of God.

John 6:32-33 KJV
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. [33] For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
the bread of God is he... referring to Jesus... OK...
 

Magenta

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the bread of God is he... referring to Jesus... OK...
Yes, Jesus is the Bread of Life. :)

Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me
will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."

 
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OK but... in English, in our time, manna doesn't represent the kjv
Yes the KJV is manna in English in our time and the NIV is one of the fiery flying serpents.
 
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Yes, Jesus is the Bread of Life. :)

Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me
will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty."

That's right Magenta :) and the inerrant word is the spirit of Jesus. The Word is bread and the word is also bread.
 

hornetguy

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Just addressing this comment which is about symbols. Symbols are seen in the definitions of the Hebrew language. Its never someone interpreting out of their own mind. They should say the same thing all through the scriptures.

This is why I prefer the KJV for study.
are these the Hebrew cymbals of which you speak? CYMBALS%2030a.jpg
 

Dan_473

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Yes the KJV is manna in English in our time and the NIV is one of the fiery flying serpents.
I think that would bring us back to here

so again, speaking gently...

your interpretation of manna representing the kjv is basically a prophecy.

it's my sense from the holy spirit that your prophecy is not from God, in this case.

1 CORINTHIANS 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:


1 CORINTHIANS 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
 
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Originally Posted by Dan_473
so again, speaking gently...

your interpretation of manna representing the kjv is basically a prophecy.

it's my sense from the holy spirit that your prophecy is not from God, in this case.

1 CORINTHIANS 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:



1 CORINTHIANS 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
I think that would bring us back to here
What bible verses did the Holy Spirit bring to your mind to make you say my understanding is not from God?
 
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I think that would bring us back to here
Do you agree that the fiery serpent in the verse below represents Jesus?

Numbers 21:8 KJV
And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
 

Dan_473

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What bible verses did the Holy Spirit bring to your mind to make you say my understanding is not from God?
I think the two quotes from Corinthians is a good starting place.. .

I believe you are essentially giving a prophecy.

if God told you to use the kjv only, and that the Niv is trash, I say Amen to that!



if you believe God told you to tell everyone that same message, that it is a message for the entire church,
well... I say that wasn't from God.
 

Dan_473

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Do you agree that the fiery serpent in the verse below represents Jesus?

Numbers 21:8 KJV
And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
in some ways, but not in others

ST. JOHN 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up

2 KINGS 18:4 He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).
 
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in some ways, but not in others

ST. JOHN 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up

2 KINGS 18:4 He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).
Matthew 3:14 is telling us that the serpent in the wilderness represented Christ. People looked on the serpent (Jesus) and lived. Some people say the serpent represented the sin that Jesus took for upon himself for us. I believe the serpent represented the human part of Jesus, either view is fine in that they both identify the serpent as being Christ.

Hezekiah broke the bronze serpent into pieces because the people had made IT an idol. They worshipped the idol instead of what it represented - Christ.