I used to believe the saying "where there's smoke, there's fire. You've proven it's nothing but a BIG FAT LIE.
its really not worth even discussing things with those who hold to the grace lens, not that it makes them bad people or less than anyone else, its the doctrine that got off track. anyone who actually believes the bible will in time realize the "grace lens" is a form of omitting what God Himself actually said theough His Son. the fact that God would speak to us through His Son, was foretold through the prophets beginning with Moses is deuteronomy 18 and continued through the prophetic writings of Gods chosen then. all of the Law and prophets are a testimony of The Christ who was to come to explain the truth of Gods Word to those who would believe Him. all of the epistels that came after Jesus, are atestimony that He infact IS the Christ who was to come and that we are to obey Him, and also that He will return in His time and give those who believe in Him and keep His word eternal Life.
to those who trusted in moses words Jesus said " you think that in them you possess eternal Life, but moses was writing of me, yet you refuse to come to me to have Life" the same can be said of the epistles " some think that in those scriptures they possess eternal Life, yet they are words that are testifying that Jesus is the Christ whom moses wrotre about, and that only in Him is eternal Life available. the old is saying go to Jesus, the new is saying go to Jesus and Jesus is saying
Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened and take MY YOKE upon you, learn from ME."
Yet some say " we follow the spirit not the words of Jesus. but in truth
johnj 14:25-26 "
These things have I SPOKEN UNTO YOU, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU."
John 6:63 "
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU, they ARE SPIRIT, and THEY ARE LIFE."
The words that Jesus Spoke those that were written down by those who heard Him apply directly to the church as the complete authority, not only to those he spoke them to, but to all nations every kindred tounge and people.
matthew 28:18-20 "
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching THEM to observe all things whatsoever I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
to deny His words, is to deny the holy spirit which is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. My conclusion of the grace alone, Jesus words dont apply doctrine is that it is nonsense, a herecy and will destroy those who trust in anything apart from The Word of God, that came through Jesus Christ, the same that suffered and died to save us the only savior that exists is Jesus, the only spirit that is true, is that which comes through Him including His testimony.
revelation 19:10 "At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus."
But sadly, if i trust that Jesus words dont apply to me, there is no spirit from God to be had in any realm whether Heaven of=r earth.