"replacement theology" - what is it?

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I dont know what other word to use. God cast aside the Jews in place of the church. I do believe what the Bible says thats why I disagree with your theology. Romans,taken in context up to chapter 11, makes sense with what we are saying. You don't make a theology on one scripture verse.
How about this - Not all of the physical seed of Israel is the true Israel, only the children of the promise are the true Israel.

Do you agree with this kaylagrl?
 

Desertsrose

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I haven't seen anyone say anything of the sort.
not even close.
we've all been saying the jews get saved through the gospel.
any other view is total false teaching.
read Galatians 4 again.
paul himself said to cast out the unbelievers, they would not inherit with the children of the promise (in Christ).
I dunno how many ways this can be explained

I'm not going to go through the whole thread, so for one, Willie T said -
I happen to agree with Replacement Theology.

Replacement Theology states that the Church has replaced Israel. That God has no future plans for the nation.


The view I hold is that God does have future plans for Israel as a nation. I and others have given scriptures and so far, no one has had a convincing answer for those scriptures to explain them away.

So yes, the church consists of Jews and gentiles. All the scriptures quoted about that does not negate the others that show God's plan for the Jews in the future and the nation of Israel that will have her king ruling and reigning in Jerusalem; the King of kings and the Lord of Lords sitting on His throne. In the future, God will turn His attention to the nation of Israel again. The Jews will rebuild their temple, they will institute animal sacrifices again. Jesus will rule and reign on earth in the millennium. Many on here do not agree. As a nation and people He's done. Yes, they believe Jews join the church through the new birth and so do I, but they stop there. God chosen nation Israel no longer exists as a chosen nation before Him. So whether you call it that or not, it's considered Replacement Theology.
 

ZEEK

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Can you open a new thread on it?



I'm not going to go through the whole thread, so for one, Willie T said -
I happen to agree with Replacement Theology.

Replacement Theology states that the Church has replaced Israel. That God has no future plans for the nation.


The view I hold is that God does have future plans for Israel as a nation. I and others have given scriptures and so far, no one has had a convincing answer for those scriptures to explain them away.

So yes, the church consists of Jews and gentiles. All the scriptures quoted about that does not negate the others that show God's plan for the Jews in the future and the nation of Israel that will have her king ruling and reigning in Jerusalem; the King of kings and the Lord of Lords sitting on His throne. In the future, God will turn His attention to the nation of Israel again. The Jews will rebuild their temple, they will institute animal sacrifices again. Jesus will rule and reign on earth in the millennium. Many on here do not agree. As a nation and people He's done. Yes, they believe Jews join the church through the new birth and so do I, but they stop there. God chosen nation Israel no longer exists as a chosen nation before Him. So whether you call it that or not, it's considered Replacement Theology.
 
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I get it now... you guys think that just because somethig is written in Revelation then it has to be something in the future.

Maybe you guys should reconcile your wrong beliefs about Revelation with the book of John where it's written in simple terms... it was fulfilled at the cross. That means Reveleation 1:7 is talking about the cross.

Revelation 1:7 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
nah

you don't get it

your posts prove that you do not, in fact, 'get it'

YOU GUYS don't 'get it'

and your remark about Revelation is nothing but your arrogance attempting to make those who disagree with your preterist presentation appear ignorant

arrogance blinds people and your posts, and especially the op's post, exhibit plenty of arrogance
 
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CharlieGrown

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I wonder how much prophecy that is waiting on deck to be fulfilled one would have to throw out in order for replacement theology to be true...:confused:

What's more curious is that prophecy is being fulfilled in real time right before our eyes. Fix your eyes on Jerusalem and see.
 
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I have a question. If the Israel of God is not the body of believers, both Jew and Gentile, today and in years past, who was or has been the Israel of God since our Lord's ascension in 33 A.D. until now ? If your answer is the Jews that have been scattered throughout the nations for over two-thousand years, how is an unbeliever of the gospel called God's Israel, nation or otherwise ? They have rejected the truth of our Lord Jesus Christ. Is anything of our Father's plan of salvation thru faith in Christ nullified or exempt due to race or nationality ? Only those who have the Son have the Father. At a minimum, the vast majority of "God's Israel" for these last two-thousand years plus have fallen short of God's mark and calling ... and His eternal rest. Does this make sense to you ? To anybody ?

read the Bible

there is both a physical and spiritual application

and I mean the entire Bible..not just select verses that make people applaud because they have opinion something has been 'proven'

you might start with the Gentiles being grafted in to the Olive tree


11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
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I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry
14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.
15For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,
18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.
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You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”
20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.
21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
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And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

Romans 11

but you cannot even get many Christians to acknowledge the warnings in the NT...so...
 

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I.E. don't look down on the Jews (arrogant)

But look up to God (tremble)

The last thing Paul wanted was the Church to be the Jews, 2.0
 
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Romans needs to be properly translated to make sense DR :)

To the Jew first and also the Greek

that again?

seems some do no think Romans has been translated correctly if their personal interpretation differs

at any rate, Greeks are gentiles

wondering if you will next state that if we are not Greek, then we are not saved...........:p

are you at all familiar with the Greco-Roman empire?

let me help out here so that you understand the context/cultural/geo-political times of the NT


The Greco-Roman world, Greco-Roman culture, or the term Greco-Roman (/ˌɡrɛkoʊˈroʊmən/ or /ˌɡrɛkəˈroʊmən/; spelled Graeco-Roman in the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth), when used as an adjective, as understood by modern scholars and writers, refers to those geographical regions and countries that culturally (and so historically) were directly, long-term, and intimately influenced by the language, culture, government and religion of the ancient Greeks and Romans. In exact terms the area refers to the "Mediterranean world", the extensive tracts of land centered on the Mediterranean and Black Sea basins, the "swimming-pool and spa" of the Greeks and Romans, i.e. one wherein the cultural perceptions, ideas and sensitivities of these peoples were dominant.
As mentioned, the term Greco-Roman world describes those regions who were for many generations subjected to the government of the Greeks and then the Romans and thus accepted or at length were forced to embrace them as their masters and teachers. This process was aided by the seemingly universal adoption of Greek as the language of intellectual culture and at least Eastern commerce, and of Latin as the tongue for public management and forensic advocacy, especially in the West (from the perspective of the Mediterranean Sea).

compliments of WIKI
 
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kaylagrl

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Because that is Paul talking about the Jews who needed (rather urgently) to convert and save themselves from the judgement of Judah
Well
thats a twist Ive never heard of,I must say.
 
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nah

you don't get it

your posts prove that you do not, in fact, 'get it'

YOU GUYS don't 'get it'

and your remark about Revelation is nothing but your arrogance attempting to make those who disagree with your preterist presentation appear ignorant

arrogance blinds people and your posts, and especially the op's post, exhibit plenty of arrogance
I think I do get it but maybe not. I'm not above correction, maybe you can help me see the light. If this is talking about the 2nd coming of Christ, how will those which pierced him, which are in the grave at that time, how will they see him when he comes?

Revelation 1:7 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
 

ZEEK

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at any rate, Greeks are gentiles
Er no Lauren, and please don't try and lecture me with your 10th grade education.

Many Greeks were converted Jews, and therefore were not Gentiles.
 
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kaylagrl

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Appreciate the rep,wherever it came from. :)
 
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kaylagrl

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Quote "please don't try and lecture me with your 10th grade education."

Im still waiting on the answer of why Jesus wasn't Jewish? What grade level education is that?
 

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Revelation 1:7 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
You really believe that the above has already taken place at the cross? When did Jesus arrive with the clouds, which is the reason that every eye will see him? Rev.1:7 is a vision of Matt.24:30-32 and Rev.19:11-21, which is the end of the age. Nothing from Rev.4 onward has yet taken place, with the majority of the content being a detailed account of God's wrath being poured out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.
 
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You really believe that the above has already taken place at the cross? When did Jesus arrive with the clouds, which is the reason that every eye will see him? Rev.1:7 is a vision of Matt.24:30-32 and Rev.19:11-21, which is the end of the age. Nothing from Rev.4 onward has yet taken place, with the majority of the content being a detailed account of God's wrath being poured out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.
I'll ask you the same question I asked Lauren

If this is talking about the 2nd coming of Christ, how will those which pierced him, which are in the grave at that time, how will they see him when he comes?

Revelation 1:7 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
 
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You really believe that the above has already taken place at the cross? When did Jesus arrive with the clouds, which is the reason that every eye will see him? Rev.1:7 is a vision of Matt.24:30-32 and Rev.19:11-21, which is the end of the age. Nothing from Rev.4 onward has yet taken place, with the majority of the content being a detailed account of God's wrath being poured out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.
I seriously hope you don't believe Jesus is coming back with literal clouds. Jesus is coming back exactly the same way he left. The clouds he's coming back with are per Jude - those saints are the clouds. Clouds in the bible represent witnesses.

Jude 1:14 KJV
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

The book of Revelation is sign-a-fied. It's written in symbolic language, nothing in the book is literal.... Jesus is not coming back in literal clouds.