"replacement theology" - what is it?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
He showed them a city where the church will reside.

The city is literal. Not symbolic.
He did not say "I will show you the city where the bride will reside."

He said "I will show you the bride".

Thats why the city is the church. :)
 

tanakh

Senior Member
Dec 1, 2015
4,635
1,040
113
76
Ezekiel: a profane building right up against the temple

“And the house of Israel will not again defile My holy name…by setting their threshold by My threshold and their door post against My doorpost, with only the wall between Me and them.” Ezekiel 42:7,8.

In Ezekiel, God condemns the fact that only a wall will separate the holy temple from other profane religious structures. Evidently this is a prophecy about the Dome of the Rock that will sit right next to the Jewish temple building. I don’t think this has been true of the temple area before, that pagan structures shared the mount with a Jewish temple, so it must be a prophecy about the Tribulation period. The temple that the Lord Jesus will build when He returns will correct this abomination.

Ezekiel: “foreigners” in charge of the sanctuary

When the temple is rebuilt, Gentiles will still be in charge of the Temple Mount area: “But you have set foreigners to keep charge of my sanctuary.” Ezekiel 44:8. This has never been the case during the history of Israel, that non Jews were given charge of the temple area and even the temple itself, so this has to be a reference to the Tribulation temple. Jordan’s Waqf, the Muslim authority who are in charge of the Temple Mount today, may be the “foreigners” Ezekiel was talking about. They may hold sovereign control even over the Jewish temple.

A temple for the antichrist and abomination of desolation

The antichrist will sit on the Temple Mount as god in the name of Satan.

But you said in your heart, “I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly...” Isaiah 14:13.

Israel will enter into a seven year covenant with the beast to reinstate worship in the temple.

“And he (the beast) will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week, he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.” Daniel 9:27.

Temple covenant brokered by the antichrist

A compromise between the Muslims and the Jews may be brokered by the antichrist who will make a covenant with the Jews to allow them to reinstate worship and sacrifices in their own temple for seven years. This may be as much of a lease agreement as a peace treaty. The false prophet, a ally of the antichrist, will be widely believed to be Elijah, which will give him the authority, according to some Jewish scholars, to authorize the building of the third temple. Muslims may also accept the antichrist as the Mahdi (a Muslim messiah) and so he could persuade them to let a temple be built on the Temple Mount. Of course the antichrist will break the covenant after 3 ½ years and take over Israel, seating himself in the temple as god and setting up an image there to be worshipped by all the world, the infamous abomination of desolation.

Found this with a google search though not the article I read.
Any Temple built in Jerusalem will not be Gods Temple. God will not dwell in it because the Sacrificial System is no longer
valid since the death and resurrection of Christ. The Temple and sacrificial system were shadows of his sacrifice for sin. Israel can build a hundred Temples but none of them will be Holy whenever and wherever they are built, this by the way
would be the case before the Antichrist stops any sacrifices and after. If God had wanted the Temple and sacrificial system to continue the Temple at the time of Jesus would have still been standing. For that matter the whole of Israel would have been left as it was and not been
left desolate until 1948
 
Last edited:
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
He did not say "I will show you the city where the bride will reside."

He said "I will show you the bride".

Thats why the city is the church. :)

lol. The bride is in the city.

The city is where the bride will have its glory with its groom.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
Any Temple built in Jerusalem will not be Gods Temple. God will not dwell in it because the Sacrificial System is no longer
valid since the death and resurrection of Christ.

As I have stated numberous times, This line of reaoning is invalid. Because the temple has never been a means of forgiveness of even one persons sin. God himself has not had a presence in the Holy of Holys for probably centuries at the time of Christ, Probebably long before Babylon destroyed the first.

Remember, a priest had to be cleansed befor he entered in the presence of God or he would be killed instantly. Plase do not tell you you think the high priest of Israel were cleaned before they entered in. The moment jesus died, Ciaphis was in the temple making atonement for Isreal. Did they have to pull his lifeless body out of the inner sanctum because he entered unclean.


The Temple and sacrificial system were shadows of his sacrifice for sin. Israel can build a hundred Temples but none of them will be Holy whenever and wherever they are built, this by the way
They have had 2, And non of them were this way either. so whats your point? Does this mean Israel can not make number 3?

would be the case before the Antichrist stops any sacrifices and after. If God had wanted the Temple and sacrificial system to continue the Temple at the time of Jesus would have still been standing. For that matter the whole of Israel would have been left as it was and not been
left desolate until 1948
God destroyed the temple because of the Lev 26 warnings.. If he wanted the sacrifices to stop the moment he died, He would have caused the temple to fall the night he died, when he said it is finished,

Again, This line of reasoning makes no sense.

Saying the antichrist (or whatever name one wants to give him) stops sacrifice and offering means just that, He causes it to stop. It does not mean the need stops. It says they are ongoing, and he puts and end to it, by making the inner sanctum unclean (abomination which causes desolation)
I think it is dangerous to try to make this means other things, or try to give it a spiritual interpretation.



edit, Just noticed the 1948 remark, The temple is still desolate. It did not get rebuilt in 1948.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
lol or not lol, it simply is not in the text. The text says it is the bride and the wife of Christ.

well if you want to believe that That is fine with me,,


if I want to show you the bride, and her house, I take you to the house and show you the things I have given her. and herself.

Rev 22: 21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I, John,[SUP][a][/SUP] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

If the city is the bride, who are the men who live on the earth? The passage says the city is prepaired AS a bride, not the bride herself.
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
12,993
8,694
113
If I knew nothing of Scripture. If I understood nothing of Jewish history. If I had no concept of the persecution of these people.
If I was clueless as to why and how their modern nation came into being TODAY...

ALL I would have to do is look at WHO hates and opposes them, who don't even believe they have a right to exist in the tiny speck of land they own, to know which side of the ledger I should be on.

The political left. Muslims of every stripe. The boycott, divest, and sanction movement. Major media. Most world governments. And of course, Christians that ascribe to replacement theology.

I will love ALL people. Especially the Jews. And continue to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and that the people respond to the one true Gospel. THAT is our job as Christians.
 

Bladerunner

Senior Member
Aug 22, 2016
3,076
59
48
Hm, why do you think that the Revelation should be taken literally? The city there seems to be the church.[/QUOTE


Does the Church have twelve Gates????// How would you measure the Church???----(in numbers of souls) not width breath, depth, etc.

I suggest you read Rev. 21
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
If I knew nothing of Scripture. If I understood nothing of Jewish history. If I had no concept of the persecution of these people.
If I was clueless as to why and how their modern nation came into being TODAY...

ALL I would have to do is look at WHO hates and opposes them, who don't even believe they have a right to exist in the tiny speck of land they own, to know which side of the ledger I should be on.

The political left. Muslims of every stripe. The boycott, divest, and sanction movement. Major media. Most world governments. And of course, Christians that ascribe to replacement theology.

I will love ALL people. Especially the Jews. And continue to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and that the people respond to the one true Gospel. THAT is our job as Christians.

Amen, I think the fact that one nation or goup of people have been hated for so long by almost everyone who is not them, and most of the time, this hate leads to bloodshed, and other things which cause pain and suffering, SHould lead us all to believe someone behind the scenes must be involved, WHo outside of our world would hate these people so much to turn practically the whole world against them. and why.

I have no problems pointing out a wrong, But lets be equal in pointing out the wrong of others.

If we want peace in the middle east, lets work equally hard on both sides, Not pick and chose..

One of the reasons God said he chose the nation of Israel, and purpose for them being, is to show the world he is the one true God. That reason still exists today, and it is still being used.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
there is a throne so there is a temple. The term is use all the way through the Bible; why stop NOW?
A throne is not in a temple. a temple was a place of worship.

Samual built God a house (temple) then built himself a house (throne)
 

zone

Senior Member
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
164
63
Maybe I'm mistaken but it seems like you're trying to put Zech 13 at the second coming.

Did you notice that verse said "smite the shepherd and the sheep shall be scattered"? Who is God's shepherd? When was he smitten? When were two parts cut off and the third left in? Read the verse below.

Matthew 26:31-32 KJV
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. [32] But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.
eyup:D.....
 

zone

Senior Member
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
164
63
Unbelievable! They smote the shepherd 2000 years ago (Matthew says so) and you know they did, how can you put this at the 2nd coming?

Edit: Do you dispy guys even care what the bible says? Please read the verse below.

Matthew 26:31 KJV
Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.
see how amazing it (the inability to see it) is.....recall how certain dispies can be
 

zone

Senior Member
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
164
63
OK,,,,what are you trying to tell me..... it simply tells you the history between God and HIS people. Yet the Bible tells us he will bring them Home to him or at least some of them.

Make no mistake these are God's people and you would be better off to leave them alone.

Genesis 12:1-3..."God had told Abram, Leave your own country behind you, and your own people, and go to the land I will guide you to. 2 If you do, I will cause you to become the father of a great nation; I will bless you and make your name famous, and you will be a blessing to many others. 3 I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you; and the entire world will be blessed because of you.”
God had told Abram
 

prove-all

Senior Member
May 16, 2014
5,977
400
83
63
A throne is not in a temple. a temple was a place of worship.

Samual built God a house (temple) then built himself a house (throne)
David succeeded Saul. David sat on the Eternal’s throne.

1 Chronicles 29:23
Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father,

2 Chronicles 9:8)
Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne,
to be king for the Lord thy God:

because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever,
therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.


2 Samuel 23:1, 5
1“Now these be the last words of David.

5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me
an [everlasting covenant], [ordered in all things, and sure]:


“And it came to pass that night, that the word of the Lord came unto Nathan,
saying, Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me
an house for me to dwell in,

[W]hen thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers,
I will set up thy seed after thee,

which shall proceed out of thy bowels [Solomon], and I will establish [his] kingdom.

[He shall build] an house for my name,
and I will stablish the throne of [his kingdom] for ever.

I will be his father, and he shall be my son. [Solomon]

David’s [son] Solomon succeeded him, also sitting on the Eternal’s throne.
David’s [son] Solomon built an house for God.

If he commit iniquity, I will chasten (him) with (the rod of men),
and with the stripes of the children of men:

But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul,
whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be
established for ever before thee:
-

5Ought ye not to know that the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over
Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?

-
3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto [David my servant],
4Thy seed will I establish for ever, and [build up thy throne] [to all generations]. Selah.
-
28My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and [his throne as the days] of heaven.

30If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

32Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my
faithfulness to fail.

34My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
David succeeded Saul. David sat on the Eternal’s throne.

1 Chronicles 29:23
Then Solomon sat on the throne of the Lord as king instead of David his father,

2 Chronicles 9:8)
Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne,
to be king for the Lord thy God:

because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever,
therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.
2 Samuel 23:1, 5
1“Now these be the last words of David.

5Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me
an [everlasting covenant], [ordered in all things, and sure]:


“And it came to pass that night, that the word of the Lord came unto Nathan,
saying, Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the Lord, Shalt thou build me
an house for me to dwell in,

[W]hen thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers,
I will set up thy seed after thee,

which shall proceed out of thy bowels [Solomon], and I will establish [his] kingdom.

[He shall build] an house for my name,
and I will stablish the throne of [his kingdom] for ever.

I will be his father, and he shall be my son. [Solomon]

David’s [son] Solomon succeeded him, also sitting on the Eternal’s throne.
David’s [son] Solomon built an house for God.

If he commit iniquity, I will chasten (him) with (the rod of men),
and with the stripes of the children of men:

But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul,
whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be
established for ever before thee:
-

5Ought ye not to know that the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over
Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?

-
3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto [David my servant],
4Thy seed will I establish for ever, and [build up thy throne] [to all generations]. Selah.
-
28My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
29His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and [his throne as the days] of heaven.

30If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;
31If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

32Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
33Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my
faithfulness to fail.

34My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
35Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
36His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.
oops. thanks, Yes it was Solomon not samuel.

And davids seed will never cease. nor will the line to the throne ever fall from davids seed. Which christ fulfilled that, and will fulfill that when he sits on the eternal throne in jerusalem ..
 

prove-all

Senior Member
May 16, 2014
5,977
400
83
63
31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call
his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33And he shall reign over [the house of Jacob] for ever;
and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

3Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things,
which thou knowest not. 4For thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel, concerning
the houses of this city, and concerning the houses of the kings of Judah,
which are thrown down by the mounts, and by the sword;
-
Jesus is both the “root” and the “offspring” of David (Revelation 22:16).
Since He was the “root,” the throne was His before David was born.
David merely sat upon the Eternal’s throne.

Secondly, since Jesus was David’s lawful fleshly Son, this same throne shall
once more become His right by inheritance, continuing David’s dynasty.
-
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
-

Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put
all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.

But now we see not yet all things put under him.
-
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.

12His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
no, the promise to bless or curse was given to Abram only.
concerning his lifetime - not some 1000s-of-years-gap-fast-forward-to-jews-walking-around-today theory

well thats your opinion. And I agree to disagree.

If you curse a persons offspring, you are cursing that person. And history shows, God has kept his promise..