"replacement theology" - what is it?

[eternally-gratefull]

Acts 2:37
Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?”



Acts 2
37Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” 38Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39“For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” 40And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation!” 41So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. 42They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.



Daniel 9:26
"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

Luke 19
41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

Imperial Rome collapsed and was destroyed.

CHURCH HISTORY
The Fall of Rome
Early Church History, part 16
by Dr. Jack L. Arnold
CHURCH HISTORY

This is what happens when you take one aspect of porphesy literally and the rest you just right it off as maybe at most a partial fulfillment is ok, Or make it a symbol

Acts was a few people mourning and repenting, Not the whole city of jerusalem. (as the prophesy states all will mourn and repent).

Nice try, but no thanks.

Dan 9 speaks of the destruction of jerusalem itself. the prophesy says God will destroy the nations who attacked the city of jerusalem (ie, he will destroy rome for one) talk about twisting the word.

Luke 19. Yep. proved they had not repented, and you want to make this th efulfilment of God destroying the nations who attacked Jerusalem? Please Zone, I know you are smarter than this.

Imperial Rome fell long after 70 AD. Again please. You want me to look at this and say this is the fulfilment of "ON THAT DAY"?

sorry, Can't do it. I would rather take God at his word. and "On that day" all those things will happen..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No doubt....verse 8 is also tied into the context....and this for sure did not happen.....Agree with the above....!

To me John was not saying, they looked at him and mourned and fulfilled that prophesy. Because every family did not mourn on that day.

He was saying they peirced him, and this came true.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

John 19
…36Now these things happened so that the Scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of His bones will be broken.” 37And, as another Scripture says: “They will look on the One they have pierced.” 38Later on, Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple of Jesus (but secretly for fear of the Jews), asked Pilate’s permission to take away the body of Jesus. Pilate granted it, so he came and removed His body.…

Zechariah 12:10
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

Acts 2
The Ingathering
37Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?”

Acts 2
…16No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17‘- In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people; your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. 18Even on My servants, both men and women, I will pour out My Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.…

Amos 9:11
“In that day I will raise up the booth of David that is fallen and repair its breaches, and raise up its ruins and rebuild it as in the days of old,

Acts 15
12And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. 13After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. 14Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. 15And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,

16“‘After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,
17that the remnant[SUP]b[/SUP] of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things 18known from of old.’

I ask again,

When did THE CITY mourn and repent (not a few people in the city)
WHen did GOD destroy the NATIONS (Not one nation) who attacked jersualem?

if you ican not answer, just say so. but to try to make something which may fullfil it part of the way if at all a full fulfilment, Sorry, I do not play that game.

 

[zone]

They aren't that unlucky.

15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy;

They are redeemed after death.

so unbelieving jews go into eternal life?
serious?
on what ground?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Stick with the simple things first and then grow into the more complicated things. These things WERE DONE... that's simple, just believe it and the rest will come later.

Zechariah 12:10 KJV
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son , and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus Christ came and brought grace at his first coming.
They looked upon him whom they pierced at his first coming.
They mourned for him at his first coming.

They did not mourn, they were ecstatic, and went to war against the people who followed Christ, It is all over the NT how the apostles had to fight the judiasers who peirced Christ.

You should take your own advise, Make it simple. Just interpret what God said, and believe that will come true to the letter.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Titus' armies were not just romans - he took armies of the nations he conquered, the roman military being made up of "all nations" (known world at the time)

Daniel called the roman army the 4th beast. He called it one power. one nation one kingdom.

Your trying to read to deep into it.. Thats dangerous.. God does not leave his prophecies so hard we have to really fight to make it come true

 

[zone]

No it wasn't.....the context is clear and points to the end of the age verse 9 and 10.......the word AND connects the two lines of thought....

Zechariah 12:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

How is it that you reject context and verbiage on a regular basis man.....serious....no wonder you miss the mark all the time

how is it God will utterly obliterate (destroy forever) the nations that came against Jerusalem (daniel's metal man) only to have them come back to life and rebel in the future 1000 years?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They aren't that unlucky.

15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy;

They are redeemed after death.

so if they die in unbelief, they are still saved?

or am I misunderstanding you?

 

[zone]

What part of "for these things WERE DONE so that the scripture SHOULD BE FULFILLED" says this is future?

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

carry on kjv
don't forget to enjoy the journey

 

[zone]

What part of "for these things WERE DONE so that the scripture SHOULD BE FULFILLED" says this is future?

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

dispie trip is incredible

 

[eternally-gratefull]

dispie trip is incredible

Preterist/Amill TWIST is unbelievable.

now. can we stop with the attack and get to the bible?

 

[zone]

Acts was a few people mourning and repenting, Not the whole city of jerusalem. (as the prophesy states all will mourn and repent)

3000 repented that very day and were baptized.
that was a huge number.

there's no prophecy at all saying ALL the whole city would repent.
you just have to have a way to make your ALL ISRAEL conundrum fit.
there's no quantitative indictors in any of the grammar

Nice try, but no thanks

lol....what?

Dan 9 speaks of the destruction of jerusalem itself. the prophesy says God will destroy the nations who attacked the city of jerusalem (ie, he will destroy rome for one) talk about twisting the word.

huh?
you just confirmed what I said.
God used daniels metal man to show hoe He would judge Israel by using various nations, while at the same time judging the nations themselves. that's obvious.

the same is true for Rome (the iron)...He used Rome to judge Israel, then He judges Rome.
done...both judged.

Luke 19. Yep. proved they had not repented, and you want to make this th efulfilment of God destroying the nations who attacked Jerusalem? Please Zone, I know you are smarter than this.

whatchu on about?
God saved a remnant at Pentecost (3000), and He saved a remnant out of Jerusalem before 70AD

Imperial Rome fell long after 70 AD. Again please. You want me to look at this and say this is the fulfilment of "ON THAT DAY"?.

there's nothing to indicate the destruction of Rome happens in a single day (or whatever time constraints you have on it - He said He would destroy it and He did). just look at all the prior examples in the metal man - they were all destroyed afterward, by decree of God, through natural means (men).

sorry, Can't do it. I would rather take God at his word. and "On that day" all those things will happen

I don't know why you wouldn't be thrilled to acknowledge how He has fulfilled all those things.

all this just so you can try to preserve your ALL ISRAEL issue.
when in reality when it comes down to that anyways, you can't make ALL Israel mean ALL Israel no matter how you work it

 

[zone]

I ask again,

When did THE CITY mourn and repent (not a few people in the city)

where does it say the whole city has to repent?
nowhere is that said.

WHen did GOD destroy the NATIONS (Not one nation) who attacked jersualem?

already answered - roman military made up of all ethnos.

if you ican not answer, just say so. but to try to make something which may fullfil it part of the way if at all a full fulfilment, Sorry, I do not play that game.

I have answered.
either you can't see it, or you have to dig in to defend your all Israel probelm

 

[zone]

They did not mourn, they were ecstatic, and went to war against the people who followed Christ....

not all of them...many believed. not just at Pentecost, but the jewish disciples went about preaching strictly to the jews for years before the gospel went to the gentiles as a group.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

not all of them...many believed. not just at Pentecost, but the jewish disciples went about preaching strictly to the jews for years before the gospel went to the gentiles as a group.

Yes, Exactly

Not all of them,

The prophesy says ALL OF THEM

 

[zone]

Daniel called the roman army the 4th beast. He called it one power. one nation one kingdom.

Your trying to read to deep into it.. Thats dangerous.. God does not leave his prophecies so hard we have to really fight to make it come true

no, it's not deep, it's very simple. it's known literal actual history
the metal man falls with the destruction of rome, which happened after rome was used to judge Israel.
dunno what could be easier, especially when Daniel goes step by step through all the kingdoms, including the last one used to judge Israel (which they all were) according to Moses - rome.

the toppling of the metal man seals up the judgements on Israel through another method of apocryphal lit.
all the nations that came against Israel were destroyed one by one as testified by the metal man.
and rome's armies made of of many nations (gentiles) were also destroyed as rome fell into chaos civil wars and strife

 

[zone]

Preterist/Amill TWIST is unbelievable.

now. can we stop with the attack and get to the bible?

okay, but please stop attacking me as well.
let's start fresh.

 

[zone]

Yes, Exactly

Not all of them,

The prophesy says ALL OF THEM

does it?
please show me that

 

[eternally-gratefull]

3000 repented that very day and were baptized.
that was a huge number.

3000 out of a great city of what?

please zone..

here's no prophecy at all saying ALL the whole city would repent.
you just have to have a way to make your ALL ISRAEL conundrum fit.
there's no quantitative indictors in any of the grammar

The prophesy says the city, it says every family.

3000 does not make a city or even every family..

[SUP]10 [/SUP]“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]And the land shall mourn, every family by itself:

Sorry, This is way more than 3000 souls out of a whole city.

huh?
you just confirmed what I said.
God used daniels metal man to show hoe He would judge Israel by using various nations, while at the same time judging the nations themselves. that's obvious.

the same is true for Rome (the iron)...He used Rome to judge Israel, then He judges Rome.
done...both judged.

Rome is not done Next..

whatchu on about?
God saved a remnant at Pentecost (3000), and He saved a remnant out of Jerusalem before 70AD

A remnant is not all.. Next.

there's nothing to indicate the destruction of Rome happens in a single day (or whatever time constraints you have on it - He said He would destroy it and He did). just look at all the prior examples in the metal man - they were all destroyed afterward, by decree of God, through natural means (men).

He said IN THAT DAY ALL THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN..

next.

I don't know why you wouldn't be thrilled to acknowledge how He has fulfilled all those things.

I would be thrilled If all those things happened.

I would not be fulfilled if I had to scrape and twist and do all these things to facts, and make it look like they were fulfilled.

all this just so you can try to preserve your ALL ISRAEL issue.

Same could be said for you.... Next.

when in reality when it comes down to that anyways, you can't make ALL Israel mean ALL Israel no matter how you work it

Actually, Yes I can, and I have, Whether you believe i can or have or not does not make a difference.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

so unbelieving jews go into eternal life?
serious?
on what ground?

Because that is what Paul says.

"What will their acceptance be but life from the dead."

They will accept Christ after this life.
They were really set aside for a particular purpose.

Christ is the firstfruits of the dead, so Paul is really saying that everyone will be brought back to life...