"replacement theology" - what is it?

[eternally-gratefull]

What about Zechariah and the remnant of Israel that is left looking upon him whom they pierced and acknowledging him and weeping for him as one weeps for the loss of a firstborn son....

This would be "all Israel" as I read it. Amen brother..

Zech - 12: [SUP]6 [/SUP]In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem. [SUP]7 [/SUP]“The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. [SUP]8 [/SUP]In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.


[SUP]10 [/SUP]“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; [SUP]13 [/SUP]the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; [SUP]14 [/SUP]all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was circumcised on the 8th day of the seed and stock of New Mexicanites....does that make me a Gentile Israelite...?

HAHHA yeah just razzin bro.....

There is NETHIER JEW NOR GREEK in Christ, but a NEW CREATION....as in a SON OF GOD......just saying....!

Amen.

If anything, I am a son of abraham (Abraham was a gentile) but even more importantly, I am a son of God

 

[samuel23]

At some point in the future what is left of the nation of Israel will turn to Christ and be saved, they will become part of the body of Christ because that is all there is, those who are right with God are in the body of Christ. This may happen after the gathering of the church, not totally sure on that one.

 

[KJV1611]

Does not say that, Does not say that at all

It says all Isreal. Which includes those who up to that time had been blind, and those who already at that time were seeing. They ALL Will be saved.

Why is that you can't understand that there are 2 Israels. The true Israel IS NOT fleshly Israel. Israel has 2 meanings one is flesh Israel and one is spiritual Israel. David was spiritual Israel, Saul was flesh Israel... Sual was not the Israel of God.

Romans 9:6 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

 

[Spurgeoncy]

what about all the ones who died never believing?
why were they so unlucky

They aren't that unlucky.

15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy;

They are redeemed after death.

 

[KJV1611]

What about Zechariah and the remnant of Israel that is left looking upon him whom they pierced and acknowledging him and weeping for him as one weeps for the loss of a firstborn son....

Zechariah was fulfilled at the cross.

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

 

[dcontroversal]

Zechariah was fulfilled at the cross.

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

No it wasn't.....the context is clear and points to the end of the age verse 9 and 10.......the word AND connects the two lines of thought....

Zechariah 12:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

How is it that you reject context and verbiage on a regular basis man.....serious....no wonder you miss the mark all the time

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Zechariah was fulfilled at the cross.

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

so we ignore the rest of the passage?

WHen did they repent? That is what Zech says..

I ask again,, When did they repent? When did they mourn?


[SUP]10 [/SUP]“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; [SUP]13 [/SUP]the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; [SUP]14 [/SUP]all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

Oh and by the way, When did God punish them who went against Isreal? Also spoken of in the passage?


Zech - 12: [SUP]6 [/SUP]In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem. [SUP]7 [/SUP]“

Was not Jersualem already inhabted in Christ's day?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why is that you can't understand that there are 2 Israels. The true Israel IS NOT fleshly Israel. Israel has 2 meanings one is flesh Israel and one is spiritual Israel. David was spiritual Israel, Saul was flesh Israel... Sual was not the Israel of God.

Romans 9:6 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Why is it you can not understand romans 9 and 11 are two different chapters with two completely different contexts?

There is one church. There is one Isreal.

The church consists of all. Jew, gentile man woman, free slave, There is no differnce

Isreal consists of Isreal. Blinded in part. But one day, All will be saved.

 

[dcontroversal]

so we ignore the rest of the passage?

WHen did they repent? That is what Zech says..

I ask again,, When did they repent? When did they mourn?


[SUP]10 [/SUP]“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; [SUP]13 [/SUP]the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; [SUP]14 [/SUP]all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

Oh and by the way, When did God punish them who went against Isreal? Also spoken of in the passage?


Zech - 12: [SUP]6 [/SUP]In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem. [SUP]7 [/SUP]“

Was not Jersualem already inhabted in Christ's day?

Brother...it is no wonder their will be a great apostasy from the truth right before the Lord returns....I have been reading through post after post where context, words in context, verbiage, verb tense and even the word AND is rejected by so many trying to prove their points....

I stand amazed at the haphazard approach by many on this site.........one such poster that you have been going back and forth ARGUED his points while disregarding scripture about every island and mountain being moved out of their place and God turning the world upside down and scattering the inhabitants..by saying he is sorry and not familiar with those cited verses, yet still argued his point......

shakes head in amazement!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No it wasn't.....the context is clear and points to the end of the age verse 9 and 10.......the word AND connects the two lines of thought....

Zechariah 12:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

How is it that you reject context and verbiage on a regular basis man.....serious....no wonder you miss the mark all the time

Thanks I forgot to put verse 9 in my last post and too late now.. Yes, When did he destroy the nations who came up against Israel?

 

[KJV1611]

No it wasn't.....the context is clear and points to the end of the age verse 9 and 10.......the word AND connects the two lines of thought....

Zechariah 12:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

How is it that you reject context and verbiage on a regular basis man.....serious....no wonder you miss the mark all the time

What part of "for these things WERE DONE so that the scripture SHOULD BE FULFILLED" says this is future?

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Brother...it is no wonder their will be a great apostasy from the truth right before the Lord returns....I have been reading through post after post where context, words in context, verbiage, verb tense and even the word AND is rejected by so many trying to prove their points....

I stand amazed at the haphazard approach by many on this site.........one such poster that you have been going back and forth ARGUED his points while disregarding scripture about every island and mountain being moved out of their place and God turning the world upside down and scattering the inhabitants..by saying he is sorry and not familiar with those cited verses, yet still argued his point......

shakes head in amazement!

It is one thing to agree to disagree, Which I have with many brothers and sisters..

But what get me, is they keep saying we believe things we do not. Then condemn us,, Thats the part which is worse than what your saying..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What part of "for these things WERE DONE so that the scripture SHOULD BE FULFILLED" says this is future?

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

They did look at him

Now answer when they all were mourning, When they repented, and when God destroyed the nations who came against Isreal. (which proves many OT prophesies had dual, or events which would be completed at different times)

Or do you want to make ONE a literal interpretation, and the rest symbolic?

 

[dcontroversal]

What part of "for these things WERE DONE so that the scripture SHOULD BE FULFILLED" says this is future?

John 19:36-37 KJV
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. [37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

You do understand that God views time differently than we do...I ask the same questions..

When does GOD gather all nations against Jerusalem so that he may judge them in his wrath
When Did ALL of Jerusalem LOOK upon Jesus and MOURN

vs. 8 AND when did JESUS stand to defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem and the feeble be as the house of David and the house of DAVID as GOD with the angel of the Lord going before them....LAST TIME I CHECKED ROME under Titus burned and razed Jerusalem in 70 and NO ONE HELPED them nor DESTROYED the NATIONS who are against ISRAEL......

vs, 8-10 has not happened yet...CONTEXT PROVES IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET and even the verse you CITED has a FUTURE CONTEXT!

 

[dcontroversal]

They did look at him

Now answer when they all were mourning, When they repented, and when God destroyed the nations who came against Isreal. (which proves many OT prophesies had dual, or events which would be completed at different times)

Or do you want to make ONE a literal interpretation, and the rest symbolic?

No doubt....verse 8 is also tied into the context....and this for sure did not happen.....Agree with the above....!

 

[zone]

[SUP]10 [/SUP]“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; [SUP]13 [/SUP]the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; [SUP]14 [/SUP]all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

John 19
…36Now these things happened so that the Scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of His bones will be broken.” 37And, as another Scripture says: “They will look on the One they have pierced.” 38Later on, Joseph of Arimathea, who was a disciple of Jesus (but secretly for fear of the Jews), asked Pilate’s permission to take away the body of Jesus. Pilate granted it, so he came and removed His body.…

Zechariah 12:10
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

Acts 2
The Ingathering
37Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?”

Acts 2
…16No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17‘- In the last days, God says, I will pour out My Spirit on all people; your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. 18Even on My servants, both men and women, I will pour out My Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy.…

Amos 9:11
“In that day I will raise up the booth of David that is fallen and repair its breaches, and raise up its ruins and rebuild it as in the days of old,

Acts 15
12And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. 13After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. 14Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. 15And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,

16“‘After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,
17that the remnant[SUP]b[/SUP] of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things 18known from of old.’

 

[zone]

They did look at him

Now answer when they all were mourning,

Acts 2:37
Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?”

When they repented

Acts 2
37Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” 38Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39“For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” 40And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation!” 41So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. 42They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

and when God destroyed the nations who came against Isreal.

Daniel 9:26
"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

Luke 19
41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

after destroying Jerusalem (God's judgment).....Imperial Rome collapsed and was destroyed.

CHURCH HISTORY
The Fall of Rome
Early Church History, part 16
by Dr. Jack L. Arnold
CHURCH HISTORY

 

[KJV1611]

You do understand that God views time differently than we do...I ask the same questions..

When does GOD gather all nations against Jerusalem so that he may judge them in his wrath
When Did ALL of Jerusalem LOOK upon Jesus and MOURN

vs. 8 AND when did JESUS stand to defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem and the feeble be as the house of David and the house of DAVID as GOD with the angel of the Lord going before them....LAST TIME I CHECKED ROME under Titus burned and razed Jerusalem in 70 and NO ONE HELPED them nor DESTROYED the NATIONS who are against ISRAEL......

vs, 8-10 has not happened yet...CONTEXT PROVES IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET and even the verse you CITED has a FUTURE CONTEXT!

Stick with the simple things first and then grow into the more complicated things. These things WERE DONE... that's simple, just believe it and the rest will come later.

Zechariah 12:10 KJV
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son , and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus Christ came and brought grace at his first coming.
They looked upon him whom they pierced at his first coming.
They mourned for him at his first coming.

 

[zone]

Daniel 9:26
"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

Luke 19
41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”

after destroying Jerusalem (God's judgment).....Imperial Rome collapsed and was destroyed.

CHURCH HISTORY
The Fall of Rome
Early Church History, part 16
by Dr. Jack L. Arnold
CHURCH HISTORY

Titus' armies were not just romans - he took armies of the nations he conquered, the roman military being made up of "all nations" (known world at the time)