As strange as it may seem, the timing of the tribulation could mean the difference between vast numbers ending up in Heaven or Hell. Allow me to explain, Jesus said that He would return after a brief period of INTENSE persecution, a period of time He called the great tribulation. Satan has devised a plan for the endtime church so that they believe we will miss that tribulation, it is called the pre-trib gathering of the church. Of course people love this as it is a way out of the tribulation(but not really). You see, pre-trib has set a definite time that Jesus HAS to return. Pre-trib says that Jesus has to return before the appearing of the Antichrist and the tribulation, when the Antichrist appears and the tribulation begins and Jesus did not return it will appear to the pre-trib folks that Jesus did not keep His word. The pre-trib church will be trying to remain faithful under terrible persecution to a Person who obviously did not remain faithful to them. Of course Jesus will still be faithful because He never said He would return pre-trib He said He would return post-trib. Pre-trib is a set up by Satan to cause a great falling away from the faith just before the return of Christ.
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Pottersclay he(unknown) who now restrains will do so until he(antichrist) be, and then the lawless one will be revealed. Note, when you look that word up that is being used for "taken out of the way", it is a word that means "be". They took great liberty with that word "be" by using "taken out of the way", when you replace it with the word "be" it fits the context, unlike "taken out of the way".
My view is "TIME" as history teaches a continuing attempt by Satan to be worshipped in a man as God...From Horus in Egypt to Zeus in Rome to Allah of Islam....a continuing attempt which is continually hindered by God because it is not yet time.....
When it is time....he will be revealed....
Also, humanity has to be conditioned to receive the beast/little horn.....once humanity has reached a certain state of apostasy they will be conditioned to receive a man who calls down fire from heaven as god......
When it is time....he will be revealed....
Also, humanity has to be conditioned to receive the beast/little horn.....once humanity has reached a certain state of apostasy they will be conditioned to receive a man who calls down fire from heaven as god......
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I don't know what you consider me. I'm an already-happeneder/is-happeninger. The Great Tribulation happened in the first century. Great tribulation, (which wouldn't have a cap on it, if it weren't the first word in the sentence, and doesn't qualify for the article "the" before the phrase), continues to happen in the world ever since. The Islamic countries nowadays is a good example.
The whole purpose of Revelation was to give a pep talk to people being murdered at a frantic rate. Let them know, "Fear not. God has you and God wins." Rome and Alexandria were out to annihilate all Christians, and Alexandria really did do it. Not one left.
So, your questions make no sense to me given the history and current events of what was and is happening to God's people. Who lost the Holy Spirit? Did Stephen, the first guy murdered for his belief in Christ? I think not.
As for what God will do to his bride? He showed his relationship with his bride through Hosea and Gomer. He showed his love for us in Solomon's Song of Songs. God took a whore for a wife and loved her enough to change her to something all-fair.
The whole purpose of Revelation was to give a pep talk to people being murdered at a frantic rate. Let them know, "Fear not. God has you and God wins." Rome and Alexandria were out to annihilate all Christians, and Alexandria really did do it. Not one left.
So, your questions make no sense to me given the history and current events of what was and is happening to God's people. Who lost the Holy Spirit? Did Stephen, the first guy murdered for his belief in Christ? I think not.
As for what God will do to his bride? He showed his relationship with his bride through Hosea and Gomer. He showed his love for us in Solomon's Song of Songs. God took a whore for a wife and loved her enough to change her to something all-fair.
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Blain...As always it is nice to read what I consider your hearts true answer and I have considered all sides of this issue. As the saints debate over this issue with time line discrepancies and word and symbolism, I prefer to keep to a story line based on the promises of God.
For example we are not appointed to wrath..to say we should endure God's wrath here is calling God a liar.
We rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ...once again if we say we must endure God's wrath is to say Jesus's sacrifice was and is not sufficient to save us.
You say you would want to come back to serve...serve what? The holy spirit is also removed from this earth. If you do works in your own flesh you are back in bondage.
Adam was given a covering. Israel was delivered from Egypt. Noah was preserved in a ark, lot was removed before destruction, 500 years of silence pass and Jesus the promised one arrives telling us to repent saying that the world is condemned. That means God has judged. This same Jesus is our covering, is our deliver, is our ark, is our way of escape before destruction. God judged man, God judge a people, God judged a nation, now God judges the world.
He said to look up for your redemption draws near. No place to run..no problem...Jesus has it covered
For example we are not appointed to wrath..to say we should endure God's wrath here is calling God a liar.
We rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ...once again if we say we must endure God's wrath is to say Jesus's sacrifice was and is not sufficient to save us.
You say you would want to come back to serve...serve what? The holy spirit is also removed from this earth. If you do works in your own flesh you are back in bondage.
Adam was given a covering. Israel was delivered from Egypt. Noah was preserved in a ark, lot was removed before destruction, 500 years of silence pass and Jesus the promised one arrives telling us to repent saying that the world is condemned. That means God has judged. This same Jesus is our covering, is our deliver, is our ark, is our way of escape before destruction. God judged man, God judge a people, God judged a nation, now God judges the world.
He said to look up for your redemption draws near. No place to run..no problem...Jesus has it covered
I defy pre-, post- and non-.
And, this is where I landed just 13 years ago, after being confused by the whole pre-/post debate for decades, so it is, indeed, a hard stance to find in the world. Hubby is my go-to guy for learning stuff from the Bible when reading it doesn't make me get it. I thought it was time to tackle the book I kept getting lost in every time I tried to read it -- Revelation. So, I asked him for a tried-and-true classic study of the book. He recommended More Than Conquerors.
I don't know what you consider me. I'm an already-happeneder/is-happeninger. The Great Tribulation happened in the first century. Great tribulation, (which wouldn't have a cap on it, if it weren't the first word in the sentence, and doesn't qualify for the article "the" before the phrase), continues to happen in the world ever since. The Islamic countries nowadays is a good example.
a) Sun going dark
b) Moon not giving the light of the sun
c) Stars falling from heaven
d) The heavens being ripped open and rolled up as a scroll
e) The earth being turned upside down and the inhabitants scattered
f) EVERY island and mountain moved out of their places
g) A 200 million locust army from the smoking pit unleased on humanity under the 4 angels bound in the Euphrates and under Apollyon/Abaddon himself
h) ALL green grass burnt up
I) A third of the trees burned up
j) The water supply being turned to blood
k) Men hiding in all the caves, dens of the earth trying to hide from the face of the one on the throne
l) A third of shipping destroyed in one swoop
m) Massive boils breaking out upon those who take the identification process of the beast
etc.................................I can go on all day...........
When did these things take place?.....Oh that's right they have not YET...........!
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Jerusalem was under siege for so long that the inhabitants ate the last rat and mouse. Some women were found eating their babies. And then they came and and slaughtered the rest. The sky disappeared when they set the whole city on fire. Smoke! Disgusting hazardous smoke. The soldiers stabbed the inhabitants still alive and stacked them in the Temple court 4 feet high. The streets cascaded the blood, ankle deep. It wasn't "like blood;" it WAS blood. nd blood does contaminate the water supply at that level. The city is on a hill, so it collected that deep. No green grass and few trees? No kidding. We saw a small version of this kind of devastation in NYC 15 years ago. What we saw that day was less than what happened to Jerusalem.
And what happens when there is that much destructions -- carion move in. Vultures, flies, beetles all coming in to get their fill. And when that much destruction hits, the locust are next. (God's ten plagues were organized in similar fashion. The miracles came by knowing what happened next and when, much of the time.) And what happens when everything left around you is so utterly destroyed even the bugs and vultures leave? They infected you too, so boils, and other ailments of starving people.
And what do you do when they come to your neighborhood/city and totally destroy it to destroy you? Scatter! Think of the first three centuries of Christianity. They scattered!
What do you do with your boat? Leave it.
Yeah, it really happened. Learn the history of the first century for Christians and it's there. It's truly amazing how it fit.
It's still here. Try preaching the word in Syria today. That we're out of danger doesn't mean all believers are. When doe it end? When Jesus descends, like he promised.
(And the world turns upside down? And island and mountains moved? Huh? I don't even know the reference. Sorry.)
And what happens when there is that much destructions -- carion move in. Vultures, flies, beetles all coming in to get their fill. And when that much destruction hits, the locust are next. (God's ten plagues were organized in similar fashion. The miracles came by knowing what happened next and when, much of the time.) And what happens when everything left around you is so utterly destroyed even the bugs and vultures leave? They infected you too, so boils, and other ailments of starving people.
And what do you do when they come to your neighborhood/city and totally destroy it to destroy you? Scatter! Think of the first three centuries of Christianity. They scattered!
What do you do with your boat? Leave it.
Yeah, it really happened. Learn the history of the first century for Christians and it's there. It's truly amazing how it fit.
It's still here. Try preaching the word in Syria today. That we're out of danger doesn't mean all believers are. When doe it end? When Jesus descends, like he promised.
(And the world turns upside down? And island and mountains moved? Huh? I don't even know the reference. Sorry.)
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I don't know what you consider me. I'm an already-happeneder/is-happeninger. The Great Tribulation happened in the first century. Great tribulation, (which wouldn't have a cap on it, if it weren't the first word in the sentence, and doesn't qualify for the article "the" before the phrase), continues to happen in the world ever since. The Islamic countries nowadays is a good example.
The whole purpose of Revelation was to give a pep talk to people being murdered at a frantic rate. Let them know, "Fear not. God has you and God wins." Rome and Alexandria were out to annihilate all Christians, and Alexandria really did do it. Not one left.
So, your questions make no sense to me given the history and current events of what was and is happening to God's people. Who lost the Holy Spirit? Did Stephen, the first guy murdered for his belief in Christ? I think not.
As for what God will do to his bride? He showed his relationship with his bride through Hosea and Gomer. He showed his love for us in Solomon's Song of Songs. God took a whore for a wife and loved her enough to change her to something all-fair.
The whole purpose of Revelation was to give a pep talk to people being murdered at a frantic rate. Let them know, "Fear not. God has you and God wins." Rome and Alexandria were out to annihilate all Christians, and Alexandria really did do it. Not one left.
So, your questions make no sense to me given the history and current events of what was and is happening to God's people. Who lost the Holy Spirit? Did Stephen, the first guy murdered for his belief in Christ? I think not.
As for what God will do to his bride? He showed his relationship with his bride through Hosea and Gomer. He showed his love for us in Solomon's Song of Songs. God took a whore for a wife and loved her enough to change her to something all-fair.
Example......If I say you must believe in Christ to be saved but also follow the law and feasts by deduction I have said that the finished work of Christ was not enough.
If I say that salvation is a works effort the what I did in effect is call God a liar in saying "by grace you are saved through faith"
Tribulation brought on by the preaching of the gospel is brought on by the world, it is the cost we except and asked to endure for the gospel sake.
This tribulation is brought on by God beginning his end game. Time for the kids to come in its getting dark and a lion is on the prowl.
Some want to think that Satan is doing a power play here and God intervenes not so.
Jesus told Pilate that he has no power over him but by what's been given him.
Romans 13 explains it better.
The problem as I see it is that just because it says the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way Pre Tribbers then jump to the conclusion that because the Holy Spirit resides in Christians then they will be taken away as well for seven years
The Holy Spirit does not have to leave the Earth to allow the Antichrist to appear at all. He just needs to stop preventing Satan from bringing him on the world stage. John said in his letter that Many Antichrists had already appeared in his day but never mentions that the Holy Spirit has left so that they can do so. In Revelation it mentions people being sealed on their foreheads. What would they be sealed with apart from the Holy Spirit? If the Holy Spirit has left the Earth how would they be protected from the wrath of God. The same goes for the hundred and forty four thousand and the two witnesses. I believe the Pre Trib Rapture position is false and many people are being lulled into a sense of false security because of it.
The Holy Spirit does not have to leave the Earth to allow the Antichrist to appear at all. He just needs to stop preventing Satan from bringing him on the world stage. John said in his letter that Many Antichrists had already appeared in his day but never mentions that the Holy Spirit has left so that they can do so. In Revelation it mentions people being sealed on their foreheads. What would they be sealed with apart from the Holy Spirit? If the Holy Spirit has left the Earth how would they be protected from the wrath of God. The same goes for the hundred and forty four thousand and the two witnesses. I believe the Pre Trib Rapture position is false and many people are being lulled into a sense of false security because of it.
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Depleted yes there was great tribulation and if you read all through acts you can see revelation already in effect and even see a type of antichrist that commanded the slaughtering of those who proclaimed the name Jesus Christ and the beast can easily be seen as Rome itself however this is but a foreshadow of what is to come and it will come in a much more severe level.
This is often times how prophecy works it foreshadows and repeats several times before being fully fulfilled. For instance God wrote this story from beginning to end Adam was supposed to be the first to bring the world and God's people into world peace paradise we all were to rule this world and all be kings and queens always basking in God's holy light love and his power literally the kingdom of God on both heaven and earth however god knew what would happen and already set up a back up plan- Jesus and even after all that it is not yet finished Jesus the second Adam will do what the first Adam could not and that is to bring the entire world as it was created to be and this will happen when Jesus returns in the final battle with satan- not the rapture mind you but the final battle and the completion of God's plan.
Prophecy is not simply future and past events it's the language of God's story he was and is the first writer the first to publish a book the first to weave a story and this story is one that was written before he even created the earth and prophecy as I said often times foreshadows and repeats itself
This is often times how prophecy works it foreshadows and repeats several times before being fully fulfilled. For instance God wrote this story from beginning to end Adam was supposed to be the first to bring the world and God's people into world peace paradise we all were to rule this world and all be kings and queens always basking in God's holy light love and his power literally the kingdom of God on both heaven and earth however god knew what would happen and already set up a back up plan- Jesus and even after all that it is not yet finished Jesus the second Adam will do what the first Adam could not and that is to bring the entire world as it was created to be and this will happen when Jesus returns in the final battle with satan- not the rapture mind you but the final battle and the completion of God's plan.
Prophecy is not simply future and past events it's the language of God's story he was and is the first writer the first to publish a book the first to weave a story and this story is one that was written before he even created the earth and prophecy as I said often times foreshadows and repeats itself
Forgive me Blain, but though the apostles and the 1st century church suffered persecution, that was not the great tribulation that Jesus was speaking of. The one that is coming will be unprecedented as Jesus said, It will be a time of great tribulation such as the world has never seen, from the beginning, until now and never to be equaled again. The destruction of the temple, though terrible, does not even come close to what is going to take place during that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. This will be accomplished via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, the likes of which the world has never seen and will never see again. It is the coming wrath of God.
What is coming will be different from anything that the world has ever experienced and that because it is going wrap up mankind's history of human government, the end of the age, when Jesus will be ruling.
What is coming will be different from anything that the world has ever experienced and that because it is going wrap up mankind's history of human government, the end of the age, when Jesus will be ruling.
Hello tanakh,
That is correct. When the Holy Spirit, as the One who is restraining, is taken out of the way, this is when the church, whom the Holy Spirit indwells, must also be removed, else it would make Jesus a liar. See what Jesus said below regarding the Holy Spirit and believers:
"If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth.
That is correct. When the Holy Spirit, as the One who is restraining, is taken out of the way, this is when the church, whom the Holy Spirit indwells, must also be removed, else it would make Jesus a liar. See what Jesus said below regarding the Holy Spirit and believers:
"If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth.
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I've written a novel. In order to do that, i had to learn how to write a novel. It's quite a bit like juggling 30 balls at once without dropping any. And, if it is predictable, readers throw it down, never to finish it. Some of those balls are named "foreshadowing," "twists," "the unexpected," along with other words like "inciting incident," "rising action," "climax," "falling action" and "denouement."
It's hard to keep all those balls going, but that's for a novel. What amazes me is God wrote a book too. His book is about him and how he has/is/will work it all out to a great conclusion -- God sitting on his throne with all his people worshipping and glorifying him for eternity.
More amazing was he had over 60 guys in a period of 1600 years write parts of the book, and often out of chronological order. And none of them knew they were writing "The Book." They thought they were writing bits of what happened or what God had done, or even what they knew God would do.
And it works! It is the best narrative of all time or will ever be. And people may throw it down, but not because of a bad book. Because they hate the author and the protagonist. And they despise the antagonist, because they recognize who it is. It's them.
Now that is a miracle no writer could ever duplicate, no matter how long we study the book itself.
It's hard to keep all those balls going, but that's for a novel. What amazes me is God wrote a book too. His book is about him and how he has/is/will work it all out to a great conclusion -- God sitting on his throne with all his people worshipping and glorifying him for eternity.
More amazing was he had over 60 guys in a period of 1600 years write parts of the book, and often out of chronological order. And none of them knew they were writing "The Book." They thought they were writing bits of what happened or what God had done, or even what they knew God would do.
And it works! It is the best narrative of all time or will ever be. And people may throw it down, but not because of a bad book. Because they hate the author and the protagonist. And they despise the antagonist, because they recognize who it is. It's them.
Now that is a miracle no writer could ever duplicate, no matter how long we study the book itself.
To assume I read any literature concerning the end is in error, and the quoted verses that apply which you acknowledge to being ignorant of are in the bible....so...if you do pick it up and study as you say friend, then you would know that they are in the bible and my quote was good. What is laughable and tragic that one of the two verses is QUOTED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION which you CLAIM to know a lot about.....
Your quote post 27
(And the world turns upside down? And island and mountains moved? Huh? I don't even know the reference. Sorry.)
[h=1]Revelation 6:14“And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.”
Isaiah 21:1-5
Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.[/h][SUP]2 [/SUP]And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Your quote post 27
(And the world turns upside down? And island and mountains moved? Huh? I don't even know the reference. Sorry.)
[h=1]Revelation 6:14“And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.”
Isaiah 21:1-5
Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.[/h][SUP]2 [/SUP]And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
That, I understand. God warned us it's going to be a bumpy ride. But he also reminds us regularly the goal is worth it.
If you want a real understanding of what is going to happen during that last seven years during the time of God's wrath, do an in-depth study on the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. You ought to be looking forward to the fulfillment of the Lord's promise, that he went to prepare rooms for us and is coming back to get us and take us back to the Father's house that were He is we may be also. 1 Thes.4:13-17 is a detailed account of the fulfillment of that promise. I for one, as well as others here, expect the Lord to appear prior to His wrath being poured out and remove believers from the earth before the chaos listed above takes place and so should you.
Show two verses in context that prove that the Holy Spirit is the restraining force in 2nd Thessalonians, that force which is keeping the man of sin from being revealed. The following three verses do not state or imply that the Holy Spirit is the restraining power.
2nd Thessalonians 2:5-7
5Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. <-------NO SPIRIT MENTIONED
The following verses show just how GOD uses his SPIRIT...he does NOT HIDE what his SPIRIT DOES...So...show two sets of verses in context that proves the Spirit is the restraining power. Over and over again all through the bible God points out WHAT HIS SPIRIT IS DOING and then ALL of a sudden is vague in 2nd Thessalonians...sorry...not buying another regurgitated fallacy concerning the end of the age.
King James Bible
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
King James Bible
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
King James Bible
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
King James Bible
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
King James Bible
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I am the Lord thy God, I CHANGE NOT....he is NOT going to be vague in 2nd Thessalonians...
Answer this....
It is the Spirit of truth that leads and guides into all truth
It is the Spirit of God that convicts and makes the word real
The SPIRIT bears record with our spirit that we are the sons of God
The Spirit is THE truth
SO...if God takes his Spirit out of the world who will convince the world of sin, righteousness and judgement?
How can one be saved?
How do the following two groups be saved?
How can the two witnesses lead anyone to the truth if there is no spirit?
For those who say the 144,000 preach...What Good is it as there is NO SPIRIT to lead into the truth?
Who are the ones being murdered for a WITNESS AND TESTIMONY?
Who are the ones having their heads cut off for a witness and a testimony?
There are so many fallacies to believe the Spirit of God is restraining in 2nd Thessalonians 2....there is not one shred of evidence and or two verses in context that support this view.....!
2nd Thessalonians 2:5-7
5Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. <-------NO SPIRIT MENTIONED
The following verses show just how GOD uses his SPIRIT...he does NOT HIDE what his SPIRIT DOES...So...show two sets of verses in context that proves the Spirit is the restraining power. Over and over again all through the bible God points out WHAT HIS SPIRIT IS DOING and then ALL of a sudden is vague in 2nd Thessalonians...sorry...not buying another regurgitated fallacy concerning the end of the age.
King James Bible
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
King James Bible
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
King James Bible
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
King James Bible
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
King James Bible
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I am the Lord thy God, I CHANGE NOT....he is NOT going to be vague in 2nd Thessalonians...
Answer this....
It is the Spirit of truth that leads and guides into all truth
It is the Spirit of God that convicts and makes the word real
The SPIRIT bears record with our spirit that we are the sons of God
The Spirit is THE truth
SO...if God takes his Spirit out of the world who will convince the world of sin, righteousness and judgement?
How can one be saved?
How do the following two groups be saved?
How can the two witnesses lead anyone to the truth if there is no spirit?
For those who say the 144,000 preach...What Good is it as there is NO SPIRIT to lead into the truth?
Who are the ones being murdered for a WITNESS AND TESTIMONY?
Who are the ones having their heads cut off for a witness and a testimony?
There are so many fallacies to believe the Spirit of God is restraining in 2nd Thessalonians 2....there is not one shred of evidence and or two verses in context that support this view.....!
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