"replacement theology" - what is it?

[eternally-gratefull]

where does it say the whole city has to repent?
nowhere is that said.

See there you go twisting again.

It did not say they had to IT SAID THEY WILL.

see how just changing a few words makes it say something else? Of course it did not say it has to.

already answered - roman military made up of all ethnos.

Nice try, Babylon empire was the same, as was the media persia. It has always been that way.

I have answered.
either you can't see it, or you have to dig in to defend your all Israel probelm

Or you have to DIG to defend your replacement theology problem.

Zone stop with this nonsense, It does not support your theory.. if anything, You are just as guilty trying to defend your issue, So get off my only issue is I am tryng to defend mine.

All I want is for Gods word to mean what it says,

It says a city will mourn for the one they peirced. So I want to see a city mourn for the one they pierced. Not a SMALL part of a city, and a group of people who do not even represent that city.

if you want to see it the other way (a partial fulfiment makes a whole ) thats on you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

does it?
please show me that

I have three times now.

Again, this gets old

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because that is what Paul says.

"What will their acceptance be but life from the dead."

They will accept Christ after this life.
They were really set aside for a particular purpose.

Christ is the firstfruits of the dead, so Paul is really saying that everyone will be brought back to life...

That is not what Paul says, Please. where do you get this? if a person dies in unbelief, they have lost all hope There is no purgatory.

Paul is talking about a nation.. who is now Gods enemy and is now dead. Being risen back to life. Not induvidaul people.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

It is what he says though. read it.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

The basic thrust of Romans 9-11 is that the Jews serve a special purpose.

That was to have Christ crucified.

After that they were called to repentance, but many did not of course.
And many who did grew cold in the face of the religious persecutions.

So ultimately over a million Jews died in the destruction of Jerusalem.

Paul was very grieved about the Jews - he wanted them to repent really badly (I could wish myself accursed)

But God does not say that.

The Jews really had a kind of psychosis. God understands that. He made them that way really.

"I have raised up Pharaoh"

What was Pharaoh's purpose?
To keep Israel in bondage.

What does a metal cage around a bomb do - amplifies the force of the explosion.

What did Pharaoh do? He allowed God to show his awesome power.

What did the Jews do? Allowed God to show his awesome power in resurrecting Jesus.

But the Jews became fixated with the Law. That is the psychosis. That is why they couldn't accept Jesus.
The Law had been designed by God so that they would reject Jesus. That was God's purpose.

 

[Ahwatukee]

It is what he says though. read it.

Hello Spurgeoncy,


ET is correct in that Paul is speaking figuratively. If you read the entire context, Paul is talking about Israel being broken off so that God could have mercy upon the Gentiles and therefore, his reference to "life from the dead" is speaking about Israel's restoration to God, i.e. being grafted back into their own olive tree. It is not speaking about Israel or anyone being resurrected.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The basic thrust of Romans 9-11 is that the Jews serve a special purpose.

That was to have Christ crucified.

After that they were called to repentance, but many did not of course.
And many who did grew cold in the face of the religious persecutions.

So ultimately over a million Jews died in the destruction of Jerusalem.

Paul was very grieved about the Jews - he wanted them to repent really badly (I could wish myself accursed)

But God does not say that.

The Jews really had a kind of psychosis. God understands that. He made them that way really.

"I have raised up Pharaoh"

What was Pharaoh's purpose?
To keep Israel in bondage.

What does a metal cage around a bomb do - amplifies the force of the explosion.

What did Pharaoh do? He allowed God to show his awesome power.

What did the Jews do? Allowed God to show his awesome power in resurrecting Jesus.

But the Jews became fixated with the Law. That is the psychosis. That is why they couldn't accept Jesus.
The Law had been designed by God so that they would reject Jesus. That was God's purpose.

No it does not say that, believing will get a pass and get to go to heaven even if they die rejecting jesus!

And no that is not the thrust of rom 9 - 11.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Hello Spurgeoncy,


ET is correct in that Paul is speaking figuratively. If you read the entire context, Paul is talking about Israel being broken off so that God could have mercy upon the Gentiles and therefore, his reference to "life from the dead" is speaking about Israel's restoration to God, i.e. being grafted back into their own olive tree. It is not speaking about Israel or anyone being resurrected.

Totally wrong Ahw

The purpose of the Jews was to fulfil the promises to the fathers.

They brought Israel in.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Totally wrong Ahw

The purpose of the Jews was to fulfil the promises to the fathers.

They brought Israel in.

smh

The jew was part of Isreal. If anything, Israel brought the jew in.

You have people getting saved who went to their graves rejecting jesus, No place in the word of God can this be found.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Don't smack your head EG, you'll hurt yourself.

That is the idea. The Jews would be jealous to see the rest of Israel accept Christ.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Totally wrong Ahw

The purpose of the Jews was to fulfil the promises to the fathers.

They brought Israel in.

I don't have to prove anything, just read the entire context:

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Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

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Paul is not speaking about the resurrection there. It is referring to Israel being grafted back into their own olive tree, i.e. their reconciliation to God. Read it and prove it to yourself. It is not speaking about Israel being literally resurrected.

what will their acceptance be but life from the dead = Israel being grafted back into their own olive tree.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Don't smack your head EG, you'll hurt yourself.

That is the idea. The Jews would be jealous to see the rest of Israel accept Christ.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

you can't even get this right.

The idea is that the gentiles being grafted In will make them jealose.

And stop with the silly attacks please. they are not working.

 

[KJV1611]

They did not mourn, they were ecstatic, and went to war against the people who followed Christ, It is all over the NT how the apostles had to fight the judiasers who peirced Christ.

You should take your own advise, Make it simple. Just interpret what God said, and believe that will come true to the letter.

Mary and the disciples and all the followers of Jesus mourned.

 

[Ahwatukee]

no, it's not deep, it's very simple. it's known literal actual history the metal man falls with the destruction of rome, which happened after Rome was used to judge Israel.

G-Day Zone,

Nebuchadnezzar's statue has not yet been smashed to pieces, for if it had, we would currently be living in the millennial period with Christ ruling. For that last ten-toed kingdom made of iron and partly baked clay, which the antichrist and those ten kings will rule over, has not yet come into being. The Rock that is cut out of the mountain without human hands (Jesus Christ) falls on the feet of the statue smashing it to pieces (end of human government). And the Rock that smashes the statue fills the entire earth, which represents Christ's thousand year reign.

The ten-toed kingdom is a future extension of the previous Roman kingdom that was pure iron. The one that is coming will be mixed with baked clay, which the scripture reveals represents it being mixed with other people and so it will not have the same power of when it was pure iron, which was Rome in its hey-day.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Mary and the disciples and all the followers of Jesus mourned.

Hi KJV,

I'm sure they did, but that their mourning is not what scripture describes, but the inhabitants of the whole world:

"Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earthwill mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

"Look, he is coming with the clouds,”and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him."

Everyone on the planet will see Jesus when he returns to the earth to end the age.

By the way, that word "mourning" is as follows:

properly, to cut; be incised (struck), resulting in severance ("being cut off"); (figuratively) to mourn (lament) with a cutting sense of personal, tragic loss, i.e. "cut to the heart."

It will be a mourning because of their loss.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

you can't even get this right.

The idea is that the gentiles being grafted In will make them jealose.

And stop with the silly attacks please. they are not working.

???? what attacks?

 

[stonesoffire]

Did Jesus fulfill what the Jews thought Messiah to be? The gentiles coming in wasn't second choice was it?

 

[dcontroversal]

Hello Spurgeoncy,


ET is correct in that Paul is speaking figuratively. If you read the entire context, Paul is talking about Israel being broken off so that God could have mercy upon the Gentiles and therefore, his reference to "life from the dead" is speaking about Israel's restoration to God, i.e. being grafted back into their own olive tree. It is not speaking about Israel or anyone being resurrected.

I agree with this....we may disagree on the end and I know I am sharp in my responses concerning the end, but I am sure we agree on many other things......I was raised in a church that taught the imminent return...and after investigating I have changed my mind....there are too many scriptures in context and even parables that contradicts the imminent return philosophy.....anyway....peace

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mary and the disciples and all the followers of Jesus mourned.

It said "the city"

How often do you need to be told that? Mary and the disciples and a few others does not make for a city. THE CITY did not mourn (mary and the disciples also did not have jesus murdered. so that's another strike against what you want me to believe)

 

[dcontroversal]

It said "the city"

How often do you need to be told that? Mary and the disciples and a few others does not make for a city. THE CITY did not mourn (mary and the disciples also did not have jesus murdered. so that's another strike against what you want me to believe)

If we were counting strikes....we could have pitched about 100 no hitters and shutouts.....