"replacement theology" - what is it?

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1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Jesus is so so so much bigger than Catholic doctrine
 
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Some people tend to think that the Bible as far as prophesy stops at the Roman Empire in the first century,so it is fulfilled,but that is not altogether true,for there is going to be another attack on Jerusalem,which is the whole world,every nation together,which the Roman Empire did not have control of the whole world back then,and bring every single nation on earth against Israel.

That can only happen if the world can communicate with each other,and travel through the earth,to be able to come together to do such a thing.

That is why the man told Daniel to go his way,for the book is sealed until the end time,when Daniel told him he did not understand,and the man said many shall run to and fro(advanced travel),and knowledge shall be increased(advanced technology),then they will understand,why,because they can see what the world is doing,and understand how they can do what God said they will do.

When Jesus spoke in Matthew 24,He said things that can only be understood if one can observe the world,but they at that time had a limited view of the world the same as Daniel,which Jesus said they will hear of wars and rumors of wars,and natural disasters,and distresses on earth,which will occur in different places of the earth,but why would Jesus tell them something they cannot comprehend having a limited view of their world,the same as Daniel,so He is referring to the Jews in the future.

The only time Jesus speaks of the overthrow of Jerusalem,is when the disciples said look at these lovely buildings,and Jesus said they are coming down,and that is it concerning that,and then Jesus talks of the end time,and His coming back.

If it is a physical destruction on Jerusalem back then,and that is it,why would Jesus tell them to watch out for spiritual deception,for what does that have to do with it,but Jesus was addressing what He said to the Jews in the future when it occurs.

And that spiritual deception is 1 Timothy 4:1-5,that will be an occult interpretation of the Bible,that will be so popular it will unify the religions,with a false interpretation of Christianity,Islam,and Judaism,and all religions are valid for spiritual enlightenment,which comes the many teachers that people will heap to themselves,according to their own lusts,which they believe in harnessing the power of nature for personal power,which the man of sin,the beast,will not regard any god,but honor the God of forces,the evolutionary process,and be in to witchcraft.

This spiritual deception says it will occur at the latter times,which is the last days of the last days,the end time,and surely did not occur with that deception back in the first century.

Also the beast has power over all kindreds,tongues,and nations,the whole world,which the Roman Empire in the first century,never had dominion over the whole world,let alone a single man.

Also before the beast comes to power,a 200,000,000 men army clashes with the world,in which one third of the population of the world dies,and describes weapons like nuclear weapons which is why there is so much destruction,which will probably be the Arab countries against the world,for they will say that what the ten horn kingdom is doing,and the unified religious system is an insult to Allah.

Back to attacking Jerusalem,God said He is going to gather all nations,the whole world together,to go against Jerusalem,and the whole earth shall be gathered together against them,and God will come with His saints and defeat them,and people will only recognize the LORD,and no other god,or religious figure,and that sure did not happen in the first century when the Roman Empire went against Jerusalem.

There is very little said about the first century overthrow of Jerusalem,for not much needs to be said,but the second invasion that includes every single nation on the planet is the more important one to escape the deception that shall go on,and not go against Jerusalem,Israel.

Jerusalem will be attacked again by the whole world,and that is when God will punish the world for their sins and iniquities against Him.

Jerusalem (CNN)On an early morning in the summer of 1967, Israeli Mirage jets screeched across the desert of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula. Wave after wave of warplanes destroyed hundreds of Egyptian planes, leaving many of them smoldering on the tarmac. That decisive attack guaranteed Israel's air superiority for the remainder of the Six Day War.

And over the past five decades, Israel has sought to maintain its superiority in the skies over the Middle East.


As a result of the Six Day War, the entire city of Jerusalem and its holy sites came under Jewish control. Israel reunified the city, extending Israeli law, jurisdiction and administration to the parts previously occupied by Jordan. The Israeli Knesset passed laws to protect holy sites and ensure freedom of worship to all, and offered Israeli citizenship to Jerusalem’s Arab residents, most of whom declined.

God tells us of fighter jets when He would take control of Jerusalem,and preserve it.

Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.

Fighting for Jerusalem as birds flying which sounds like aircraft by way of Israeli fighter pilots.That sure did not happen in the first century.

Nah 2:3 The shield of his mighty men is made red, the valiant men are in scarlet: the chariots shall be with flaming torches in the day of his preparation, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken.
Nah 2:4 The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.

God tells us of automobiles with the headlights,and congested traffic,the form of transportation traveling close to each other with many near each other,and shall be fast as compared to transportation in the past.

In Matthew 24 Jesus is speaking to the Jews at this time,watch out for spiritual deception which is now with the new age movement,and their occult interpretation,and unifying the religions,for that will produce many teachers,and false prophets,that say all paths are valid for spiritual enlightenment,spiritual evolution.

Jesus only said that the buildings are coming down in response to the disciples saying they are lovely,and then proceeds to tell them of the end of the world,and His coming back,because the disciples asked Him to tell them.

There will be a future attack on Jerusalem with all nations,all counties,all districts,all cities,the entire,complete,totality,of the whole world,for the Bible says in Revelation that the beast kingdom is a future kingdom,and not from the first century,and that is because God will send strong delusion to all who love not the truth,but had pleasure in unrighteousness,so the world will not be able to help it but attack Jerusalem,every nation,every county,every district,every city,the entire,complete,totality,of the whole world,for the Bible says in Revelation that the beast kingdom is a future kingdom,and not from the first century.
 
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An incorrect understanding of who the TRUE Israel is leads to a misunderstanding of Joel, Isaiah, Ezekeil, and Daniel. This leads to a misunderstanding of Matthew 24 and most of the book of Revelation.

There is no logical reason to put Jacob's trouble at the second coming of Christ except to make dispensationalism work. If it were not for dispensational theology no one would believe that Jacob's trouble is about the second coming.
 

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You must be seriously out of your mind to ASSUME that I want anything pal.....the word is clear...disregard, reject, deny whatevz......soon enough we will all know....and the bible teaches a post GREAT tribulation PRE WRATH ingathering....there are no verses in context that teach an imminent return of Christ and POOF we all disappear.....sorry...not there!

so the Lord Jesus Christ is going to put His Bride through Hell and then tell to come up to your dinner? It is going t be a quick ride up and down.
 
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so the Lord Jesus Christ is going to put His Bride through Hell and then tell to come up to your dinner? It is going t be a quick ride up and down.
This view reeks bro...so...the last two thousand years what has happened to believers...Killed, ostracized, beat, stoned, imprisoned, mocked, ridiculed etc....and a whole new can is opened up when we view revelation and God calls NEW JERUSALEM coming down out of heaven the bride...so lets get this straight...

a) for 2000 years the Lord's churches are persecuted and under some sort of tribulation as listed above
b) the end of the age the Lord's churches are so faithful that they do not have to suffer

even though Jesus was clear...through MUCH tribulation we must enter the Kingdom....

Yeahhhhhhh OK....sure!
 

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An incorrect understanding of who the TRUE Israel is leads to a misunderstanding of Joel, Isaiah, Ezekeil, and Daniel. This leads to a misunderstanding of Matthew 24 and most of the book of Revelation.

There is no logical reason to put Jacob's trouble at the second coming of Christ except to make dispensationalism work. If it were not for dispensational theology no one would believe that Jacob's trouble is about the second coming.

I do believe God spoke about 'Jacobs trouble'.........Yet, you do not believe
 
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I do believe God spoke about 'Jacobs trouble'.........Yet, you do not believe
Nope, I believe it! I just know when Jacob had his trouble. Read the book of Joel, it's the easiest to understand from a time perspective.
 
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I suppose then the obvious question then is what do these verses actually mean?

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.



To understand that, you have to start by understanding this... What is their fulness?

Romans 11:12 KJV
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
 
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No it wasn't.....the context is clear and points to the end of the age verse 9 and 10.......the word AND connects the two lines of thought....

Zechariah 12:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
[SUP]10[/SUP]And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

How is it that you reject context and verbiage on a regular basis man.....serious....no wonder you miss the mark all the time
In that day the spirit of grace was poured out. When was grace given?


In that day they looked upon him whom they pierced. When did they look upon him whom THEY pierced?


In that day they mourned for him. Are they going to mourn for him at his SECOND coming? If so why would they mourn for him?

"In that day" is the same time frame as when he SOUGHT to destroy all the nations that came against Jerusalem. The same "in that day" that the spirit of grace was given, they looked upon him whom they pierced and when they mourned for him.
 
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In that day the spirit of grace was poured out. When was grace given?


In that day they looked upon him whom they pierced. When did they look upon him whom THEY pierced?


In that day they mourned for him. Are they going to mourn for him at his SECOND coming? If so why would they mourn for him?

"In that day" is the same time frame as when he SOUGHT to destroy all the nations that came against Jerusalem. The same "in that day" that the spirit of grace was given, they looked upon him whom they pierced and when they mourned for him.
Also which Jerusalem was he talking about, earthly Jerusalem aka Sodom (where our Lord was crucified) or heavenly Jerusalem the mother of us all?
 
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An incorrect understanding of who the TRUE Israel is leads to a misunderstanding of Joel, Isaiah, Ezekeil, and Daniel. This leads to a misunderstanding of Matthew 24 and most of the book of Revelation.

There is no logical reason to put Jacob's trouble at the second coming of Christ except to make dispensationalism work. If it were not for dispensational theology no one would believe that Jacob's trouble is about the second coming.
The exact same can be said about preterism or ammilenialism.

So please. lets stop with the arguments which can go both ways, they do not help in the situation. It is useless to make an argument which can be turned back on you.
 
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The exact same can be said about preterism or ammilenialism.

So please. lets stop with the arguments which can go both ways, they do not help in the situation. It is useless to make an argument which can be turned back on you.
Lets' discuss Romans 9:6... here's my take on it. The word of God was preached to flesh Israel and it wasn't effective on ALL of flesh Israel. Why? Because all of Israel (flesh descendants) are not Israel (true Israel). What is your take on this verse?

Romans 9:6 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
 
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Nope, I believe it! I just know when Jacob had his trouble. Read the book of Joel, it's the easiest to understand from a time perspective.

No, You don't. Because you have Jacobs trouble happening, and then Israel never repenting (which was the PURPOSE for God to cause this tribulation on Jacob)


Jer 30: Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,

But he shall be saved out of it.
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,
Says the Lord of hosts,
That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;

Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,

Whom I will raise up for them. [SUP]10 [/SUP]‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.

Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.


Non of those things have yet happened. So it could not have been fulfilled.
 
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In that day the spirit of grace was poured out. When was grace given?


In that day they looked upon him whom they pierced. When did they look upon him whom THEY pierced?


In that day they mourned for him. Are they going to mourn for him at his SECOND coming? If so why would they mourn for him?

"In that day" is the same time frame as when he SOUGHT to destroy all the nations that came against Jerusalem. The same "in that day" that the spirit of grace was given, they looked upon him whom they pierced and when they mourned for him.

THE CITY NEVER REPENTED OR MOURNED.

Why do you insist they did just because a FEW people did?
 
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Also which Jerusalem was he talking about, earthly Jerusalem aka Sodom (where our Lord was crucified) or heavenly Jerusalem the mother of us all?
Well it could not be heavenly Jerusalem. Unless you want to twisty some more..
 
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No, You don't. Because you have Jacobs trouble happening, and then Israel never repenting (which was the PURPOSE for God to cause this tribulation on Jacob)


Jer 30: Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,

But he shall be saved out of it.
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,
Says the Lord of hosts,
That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;

Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,

Whom I will raise up for them. [SUP]10 [/SUP]‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.

Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.


Non of those things have yet happened. So it could not have been fulfilled.
First question, what is the yoke between Jacob and Esua. Second question, when was the yoke between Jacob and Esau broken? I'm traveling today and will be away for a bit.
 
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To understand that, you have to start by understanding this... What is their fulness?

Romans 11:12 KJV
Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Very good question KJV.

'The fulness' means that any Jew who repented in this period prior to destruction of Jerusalem had scored a double hit.

Not only had they fulfilled their purpose in having Christ put to death, they then had repented afterwards and accepted Christ.
 
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THE CITY NEVER REPENTED OR MOURNED.

Why do you insist they did just because a FEW people did?
The bible clearly says that ALL that happened "in that day". Why is it you try to use some verses that you don't understand to UNDO what was already given to you in EASY to understand language? Simple rule - stick with what you know and THEN move into the more complicated stuff... they will NEVER contradict.
 

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In a word, Yes.

Probably why I like the idea of punishment so much in this world.

Not that I think God won't punish people very severely in the next life.
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
(Matt. 25:46).

Does not seem universal to me.