God's Chosen People per Romans 11

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KJV1611

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This is a discussion to get the facts of who God's chosen people are.... verse by verse.

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

At this point God has taken the kingdom from flesh Israel and given it to the gentiles. Is this true or false?
 
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True!!

[h=1]Galatians 3:26-29[/h][h=3]Sons and Heirs[/h][SUP]26 [/SUP]For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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KJV1611 said:
This is a discussion to get the facts of who God's chosen people are.... verse by verse.

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

At this point God has taken the kingdom from flesh Israel and given it to the gentiles. Is this true or false?
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guess the answers will depend on who is a preterist and who is not a preterist

let's all just put the loaded guns back in their holsters

yippee i e i o i o

there is no actual discussion to be had here people

is this true or false?

I say true
 
KJV1611

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KJV1611 said:
This is a discussion to get the facts of who God's chosen people are.... verse by verse.

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

At this point God has taken the kingdom from flesh Israel and given it to the gentiles. Is this true or false?
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God has cast away flesh Israel and Paul knows this, why then is Paul asking if God has cast away his people?
 
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God only casts those away who reject his son. If a Jewish person was in Christ then or now, they would not be cast away.

Thats my take on it
 
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jerry2465 said:
God only casts those away who reject his son. If a Jewish person was in Christ then or now, they would not be cast away.

Thats my take on it
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I agree. Paul said that because he is showing us that flesh Israel is not his chosen people. Paul being a Jew (not because he was Jew) is one of God's chosen people whom God HAS NOT cast away just because his flesh descent was part of the group (fleshly Israel) that God had cast away.
 
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The chosen are the "eklektos".

After Pentecost, the Chosen are never any other than the Church.

Prior to Pentecost it was used in addressing the Jews.

Old Covenant and New Covenant again...

Hopefully some of the diehards will eventually get it, maybe not the hellhounds though.
 
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KJV1611 said:
God has cast away flesh Israel and Paul knows this, why then is Paul asking if God has cast away his people?
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Paul said--->>>Romans 11:1 "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. :)

Paul understood that God's favor would return to Israel after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, which is after the tribulation of those days. (first to the Jew)




Jeremiah 31:33-37

[SUP]33 [/SUP]But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

[SUP]34 [/SUP]And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord."
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
Paul said--->>>Romans 11:1 "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. :)

Paul understood that God's favor would return to Israel after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, which is after the tribulation of those days. (first to the Jew)




Jeremiah 31:33-37

[SUP]33 [/SUP]But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

[SUP]34 [/SUP]And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord."
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That verse doesn't say anything about Paul understanding that God will turn his attention back to Israel, that verse is present tense and is talking about right then at that time. You're adding to the verse.
 
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No, Paul is a Jew (of Israel)--- and not replaced or cast away...
 
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Romans 11:2-5 KJV
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, [3] Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. [4] But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. [5] Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

God has cast away flesh Israel, BUT out of the nation he has cast away, he ELECTED a remnant of which Paul was a part of. Yes or No?
 
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KJV1611 said:
That verse doesn't say anything about Paul understanding that God will turn his attention back to Israel, that verse is present tense and is talking about right then at that time. You're adding to the verse.
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I didn't add anything to that verse but was stating a fact that Paul understood, as do I. You just don't seem to like Paul's own answer to his own question. Here again--->>> Romans 11:1 "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.

Did you catch that? :) If not just look at the next verse--->>>[SUP]2 [/SUP]God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew."

If you read a little further down you will see how Paul also understood that God's favor would once again return to Israel after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in--->>>

[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

Confirming what I posted earlier---->>>>

Paul understood that God's favor would return to Israel after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, which is after the tribulation of those days. (first to the Jew)
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Does this ring truth to anyone...God has His hand on the USA, but His eye is on Israel...?
 
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KJV1611 said:
This is a discussion to get the facts of who God's chosen people are.... verse by verse.

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

At this point God has taken the kingdom from flesh Israel and given it to the gentiles. Is this true or false?
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When Paul says they are not all Israel who are of Israel, he is still referencing physical Israel.

He is saying that the gospel which went only to physical Israel has not been received by all physical Israel.

So Israel physical + spiritual qualifies as Israel

But Israel physical - spiritual is not Israel
 
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InSpiritInTruth said:
I didn't add anything to that verse but was stating a fact that Paul understood, as do I. You just don't seem to like Paul's own answer to his own question. Here again--->>> Romans 11:1 "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.

Did you catch that? :) If not just look at the next verse--->>>[SUP]2 [/SUP]God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew."

If you read a little further down you will see how Paul also understood that God's favor would once again return to Israel after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in--->>>

[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

Confirming what I posted earlier---->>>>
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Say what you want, but that verse doesn't say anything about Israel's FUTURE. You CAN'T add to the bible and expect to come to truth, let the verse say what it says WITHOUT adding to it.

Has God thrown away flesh Israel... you better believe he did, but has God cast away his CHOSEN ONE'S - God forbid. God HAS NOT cast away his chosen one's because his chosen one's ARE NOT flesh Israel which WERE cast away.
 
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No, Paul is a Jew (of Israel)--- and not replaced or cast away...
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That's right, Paul being a Jew wasn't cast away just because God cast away Israel. Paul was chosen to be a child of the promise and God certainly wasn't going to cast him away just because he had jewish blood in him.
 
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KJV1611 said:
This is a discussion to get the facts of who God's chosen people are.... verse by verse.

Romans 11:1 KJV
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

At this point God has taken the kingdom from flesh Israel and given it to the gentiles. Is this true or false?
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Well it is true and false.. It is true that the old covenant is now defunct and so anyone living under the dictates of the Old testament are outside the Kingdom of God .. So Torah compliant Jews of today who are following the old covenant are cast out of the Kingdom of God .. But as Paul says He was a physical Jew and was part of the New covenant and thus was in the Kingdom of God along with the other Jewish apostles and followers of Jesus.. Note that on the day of Pentecost 3000 Jews where added to the kingdom because they accepted Jesus as LORD on that day and where forgiven.. So these people and their descendants are mingled in with the Christian world community of today.. Also i know of a few Jewish brothers and sisters in Jesus who have come to accept Jesus and their Messiah in my life.. So to say that the Jewish People on mass are barred from the Kingdom of God is a false doctrine... Clearly many have come to believe Jesus since the day of Pentecost all those centuries ago..

The Way of salvation is open to all human beings Jews and Non- Jews alike..
 
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KJV1611 said:
This is a discussion to get the facts of who God's chosen people are.... verse by verse.Romans 11:1 KJVI say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.At this point God has taken the kingdom from flesh Israel and given it to the gentiles. Is this true or false?
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God chose Israel. God also chose the church. Gentile Christians are specifically warned against saying the natural branches have been broken off that they might be grafted in. It sure sounds like a warning against 'replacement theology' to me.
 
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Really, at the end of the day it is irrelevant...under the new covenant there is neither Jew nor Greek...the two have become one and a NEW CREATION in Christ Jesus....Humanity was always meant to be one brotherhood of man under the God of heaven....
 
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