God's Chosen People per Romans 11
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I admit I have a HUGE prejudice for the KJV.
That being said, I would like your unbiased opinion of whether I'm adding to the words or twisting scripture to make the KJV right.
Verse 7 has 2 factions of Israel: 1 has obtained and 1 is blinded.
Romans 11:7-11 KJV
[7] What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
- Expounding on "the rest were blinded".
[8] (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
[9] And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: [10] Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
- Expounding has ended.
In verse 11 is the first "they" referring to those blinded or is it referring to the entire group - obtained and blinded?
[11] I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
That being said, I would like your unbiased opinion of whether I'm adding to the words or twisting scripture to make the KJV right.Verse 7 has 2 factions of Israel: 1 has obtained and 1 is blinded.
Romans 11:7-11 KJV
[7] What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
- Expounding on "the rest were blinded".
[8] (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
[9] And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: [10] Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
- Expounding has ended.
In verse 11 is the first "they" referring to those blinded or is it referring to the entire group - obtained and blinded?
[11] I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
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I admit I have a HUGE prejudice for the KJV. That being said, I would like your unbiased opinion of whether I'm adding to the words or twisting scripture to make the KJV right.
Verse 7 has 2 factions of Israel: 1 has obtained and 1 is blinded.
Romans 11:7-11 KJV
[7] What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
- Expounding on "the rest were blinded".
[8] (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
[9] And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: [10] Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
- Expounding has ended.
In verse 11 is the first "they" referring to those blinded or is it referring to the entire group - obtained and blinded?
[11] I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
That being said, I would like your unbiased opinion of whether I'm adding to the words or twisting scripture to make the KJV right.Verse 7 has 2 factions of Israel: 1 has obtained and 1 is blinded.
Romans 11:7-11 KJV
[7] What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
- Expounding on "the rest were blinded".
[8] (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
[9] And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: [10] Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
- Expounding has ended.
In verse 11 is the first "they" referring to those blinded or is it referring to the entire group - obtained and blinded?
[11] I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
As far as the NIV goes, I looked up the Greek (I'm no expert at all!) but I don't see "beyond recovery" in the Greek. I believe that is the translators interprestaion of what the verse means.
As far as KJV goes, I'm looking at it from this point of view:
Romans 11:11 KJV
I say then, Have they (blinded) stumbled that they (blinded and obtained) should fall? God forbid: but rather through their (blinded) fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them (blinded) to jealousy.
As far as KJV goes, I'm looking at it from this point of view:
Romans 11:11 KJV
I say then, Have they (blinded) stumbled that they (blinded and obtained) should fall? God forbid: but rather through their (blinded) fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them (blinded) to jealousy.
but the election hath obtained it, .....
Romans 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
Romans 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
This is the fall:
Matthew 23:37-38 KJV
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! [38] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Matthew 23:37-38 KJV
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! [38] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
I'm tied up for a while but I think these verses may help.
John 9:39-41 KJV
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. [40] And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? [41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
John 9:39-41 KJV
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. [40] And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? [41] Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
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They did not believe to begin with,, They did not all of a sudden become blind, They were unbvelievers the moment Jesus was born, and still unbelievers when he was in his ministry and suffered his death.
remember, Isreal was a slave to rome, The city belonged to rime, Why? Because they were in sin, They still had not repented.
remember, Isreal was a slave to rome, The city belonged to rime, Why? Because they were in sin, They still had not repented.