People still die. God never promised anyone to be healed. or else we would not have to argue about what Paul meant, we could go ask him himself, he would still be alive.
Never said people won't die. And no, God did not promise to heal anyone, because He already healed those who have faith for it and who confessed their sins. He did however promise to give them the desire of their heart.
Does God heal? Yes, I have seen miraculous healing.
However. By his stripes I was healed. (the most important healing I will ever get) because of that, I will enter eternity, where I will never need healed again, No sickness and no death then, PRAISE GOD.
You see it as a spiritual healing, I see it as a whole. Both physical and spiritual.
That's ok, You will die one day, Does not matter if you REFUSE to accept it or not.
Again, I never said I wouldn't die someday. That is if the lord tarries that long. However, if I do go, I don't have to do so because of a sickness or disease. That, I do not have to accept.
Once you start using the natural for your reasoning, you just left your faith in God and His word behind.
When did this go from a gospel of faith discussion to a healing discussion?
Since when was it about salvation? I use healing, because it is the most prevalent problem with Christian, and one of the easiest ways to see how faith works.
we never initiate anything, GOD allways does the initiating, that is grace.
Jesus Heals a Woman and Jairus's Daughter
Mar 5:21 And when Jesus was passed over again by ship unto the other side, much people gathered unto him: and he was nigh unto the sea.
Mar 5:22 And, behold, there cometh one of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus by name; and when he saw him, he fell at his feet,
Mar 5:23 And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.
Mar 5:24 And Jesus went with him; and much people followed him, and thronged him.
Mar 5:25 And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,
Mar 5:26 And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
Mar 5:27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
Mar 5:28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
Mar 5:29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.
Mar 5:30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?
Mar 5:31 And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?
Mar 5:32 And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing.
Mar 5:33 But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth.
Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
Mar 5:35 While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's house certain which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further?
Mar 5:36 As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe.
Mar 5:37 And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James.
Mar 5:38 And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly.
Mar 5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Mar 5:40 And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying.
Mar 5:41 And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise.
Mar 5:42 And straightway the damsel arose, and walked; for she was of the age of twelve years. And they were astonished with a great astonishment.
Mar 5:43 And he charged them straitly that no man should know it; and commanded that something should be given her to eat.
Did Jesus go to the other side to heal Jairus' daughter and the woman with the issue of blood. But both changed Jesus' course because of their faith.
Who initiated the woman's healing, Jesus or the woman? If you say Jesus, then I would like to know how, because He didn't even know what was going to happen until it happened. Or so it appeared.
What about Jairus? He asked Jesus to come lay His hands on his daughter and "she SHALL be healed." And what did Jesus do? Exactly what Jairus asked Him to do. "
he took the damsel by the hand".
They were the ones who directed and moved the hand of God.