all works are not created equal
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I care about what GOD thinks are works of faith for him, Not what man thinks.
Faith is a trust, not a work. If you trust the one who have faiht in You tend to listen to what he or she says and do those things.
If you do not do them, You lack faith in that person, whether you say you trust them or not.
A person who is doing a "work" to save himself, is trusting in SELF not God,, So while you may be right, it is a work of faiht
th in SOMEONE (namely self), it is NOT a work of, or in GOD (which are the works of faith I am talking about)
Faith is a trust, not a work. If you trust the one who have faiht in You tend to listen to what he or she says and do those things.
If you do not do them, You lack faith in that person, whether you say you trust them or not.
A person who is doing a "work" to save himself, is trusting in SELF not God,, So while you may be right, it is a work of faiht
th in SOMEONE (namely self), it is NOT a work of, or in GOD (which are the works of faith I am talking about)
If you really cared you would not follow only your emotional convictions but scripture.
A conviction that belief we as fruit of faith and a relationship with Christ walk in love,
good works and the Holy Spirit, is actually unbelief and means you are not saved is nuts.
It is neither biblical or sensible and just causes condemnation and friction over issues
that are not relevant.
A conviction that belief we as fruit of faith and a relationship with Christ walk in love,
good works and the Holy Spirit, is actually unbelief and means you are not saved is nuts.
It is neither biblical or sensible and just causes condemnation and friction over issues
that are not relevant.
Well then, since you care what God thinks, then it would be a good thing to look at what God thinks about what faith is. Wouldn't you agree?
For starters, I'm pretty sure I never said faith was a work, but that it REQUIRES a work in order for it to be constituted as faith.
Starting in Mk 11:22 Jesus tells Peter how the faith of God works saying, "have the faith of God". And in vs 23 He teaches the basics of faith which is, believe and speak. Vs 24 goes on to say that you have to believe you have it when you prayed, and then you will see it later or after the will of God has been accomplished.
Paul, in Romans 10 and 2 Cor 4:13, also caries the same tune explaining faith as one who, believes and speaks, believes and speaks.
Then there's James who calls this speaking or other action, a work.
Jesus also called His miracles a work.
Could we consider laying on of hands while praying for someone, a work?
What about anointing them with oil? Would that be considered a work of faith?
And if we do these simple works and the person whom we prayed for got healed, wouldn't that bring glory to God, even though we did a small work?
I don't know why you see doing some small act of faith, as though it's a sin, it's not. That is how faith works.
One reason why I know this is because I tried it your way and the bible's way, and your way always accomplished zero results. And by the way, while I was waiting on God, trusting Him to do something, the situations only got worse. And that was because I didn't do anything but pray and wait for God to do what I asked. He never did do anything because there never was any faith in that kind of trust.
Without knowing God's word or promises, you won't know what God will do. And how can you trust a person whom you don't know what they will.
For starters, I'm pretty sure I never said faith was a work, but that it REQUIRES a work in order for it to be constituted as faith.
Starting in Mk 11:22 Jesus tells Peter how the faith of God works saying, "have the faith of God". And in vs 23 He teaches the basics of faith which is, believe and speak. Vs 24 goes on to say that you have to believe you have it when you prayed, and then you will see it later or after the will of God has been accomplished.
Paul, in Romans 10 and 2 Cor 4:13, also caries the same tune explaining faith as one who, believes and speaks, believes and speaks.
Then there's James who calls this speaking or other action, a work.
Jesus also called His miracles a work.
Could we consider laying on of hands while praying for someone, a work?
What about anointing them with oil? Would that be considered a work of faith?
And if we do these simple works and the person whom we prayed for got healed, wouldn't that bring glory to God, even though we did a small work?
I don't know why you see doing some small act of faith, as though it's a sin, it's not. That is how faith works.
One reason why I know this is because I tried it your way and the bible's way, and your way always accomplished zero results. And by the way, while I was waiting on God, trusting Him to do something, the situations only got worse. And that was because I didn't do anything but pray and wait for God to do what I asked. He never did do anything because there never was any faith in that kind of trust.
Without knowing God's word or promises, you won't know what God will do. And how can you trust a person whom you don't know what they will.
The three Jewish wise men were thrown in the fire and didn't get burned, which brought glory to God, but what did they do specifically that caused God to step in and save them.
What about Jesus and the apostles, did they do anything in particular to cause these miracles to come about, or did they just will it on the people and they got healed? What about Abraham when He was taking Isaac to be sacrificed. What did He tell the men he left behind, while purposing to kill his only son?
What about Jesus and the apostles, did they do anything in particular to cause these miracles to come about, or did they just will it on the people and they got healed? What about Abraham when He was taking Isaac to be sacrificed. What did He tell the men he left behind, while purposing to kill his only son?
A work is something done.
The reasons why someone does something does not change the thing done.
What people forget is what we are here for. To become like Christ.
All other focuses become irrelevant. A work needs to be done because it
is an expression of love for one individual to another.
Everything else is not from God. It is just an attempt to stop the expression
of love that God has planted in our souls, which is our life blood and praise to
His glorious name.
So much complexity, is because of guilt, the belief that one is impure, evil,
corrupted and there is value distinguishing between one act and another based
on motivation or situation. But if it is an act of pure love, then that is all it needs
to be. When we are washed clean, forgiven, made holy, redeemed we stand in
this place and speak in holiness. Purify yourselves so that you speak of the Kingdom
and not of the world.
Many have no real foundation in God, but in continual sin and the impurities that
arise from their hearts. Purify your hearts, repent, confess, accept your lowly
state and come to the Lord for healing. Christ came to die for our sins so that
we can arise and live lives holy and blameless. That is our faith.
The reasons why someone does something does not change the thing done.
What people forget is what we are here for. To become like Christ.
All other focuses become irrelevant. A work needs to be done because it
is an expression of love for one individual to another.
Everything else is not from God. It is just an attempt to stop the expression
of love that God has planted in our souls, which is our life blood and praise to
His glorious name.
So much complexity, is because of guilt, the belief that one is impure, evil,
corrupted and there is value distinguishing between one act and another based
on motivation or situation. But if it is an act of pure love, then that is all it needs
to be. When we are washed clean, forgiven, made holy, redeemed we stand in
this place and speak in holiness. Purify yourselves so that you speak of the Kingdom
and not of the world.
Many have no real foundation in God, but in continual sin and the impurities that
arise from their hearts. Purify your hearts, repent, confess, accept your lowly
state and come to the Lord for healing. Christ came to die for our sins so that
we can arise and live lives holy and blameless. That is our faith.
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Your putting the cart before the horse. Last time I looked, The cart did not pull the horse. The person inside the cart did not pull the horses from point A to point B. Nor did the person in the cart haul all the stuff in the cart that needed to be hauled to that point. The HORSE did all the work.
Faith is a trust is something, In the Greek, Faith is an assurance that something will happen, An assurance that a person us trustworthy, (ie, if he tells you something, you know that can be trusted) It is greater than belief, because as I have already shown, I can believe someone, YET NOT TRUST HIM AT ALL.
Hebrews has a faith hall of fame, You should read it.
By Faith Abel offered a more notable offering
By Faith Enoch was taken away
By FAITH Abraham did not consider his age, but TRUSTED Gods promise
By FAITH Abraham, KNOWING GOD COULD RAISE HIM FROM THE DEAD, Offered his son.
By FAITH Noah spent a year building an ark.
By FAITH Rahab did not consider her life, but hid the two spys.
Work did not PROVE this faith, The faith was real.. The cart (work) did not pull the horses, The Horses (FAITH) energized the work.
Abel trusted God, so when God said do. Abel did, Can did not trust God, so when God said do. Cain said I will do, but my way (self righteousness, or human good) which God rejected
Enoch trusted God, and was taken, and had the witness, Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God. for we must TRUST GOD is who he says he is, and is a rewarder of those who seek him. (otherwise, we have human good, and self righteousness, Which according to Gods word is like bloody rags)
Noah considered God trustworthy, SO when God said do. Noah did
Abraham considered God trustworthy, So when God said do (even though he one time tried to take it into his own hands, and Ishmael was the result) He did. (this proves a child of God can sin, and the results which can take place. It destroys lives and causes great pain and suffering, But does not stop a person from being a son)
Rahab heard what God did in Egypt, and in the dessert, She trusted God more than she trusted her own people. SO when God said do. SHE DID.
It is not work that proves faith, It is FAITH that PRODUCES WORK.
If I consider God trustworthy, I will trust him not only to save my soul, but lead my life. So when he says do, I will (although like Abraham, not perfectly and sometimes try to take it into my own hands) do. And the more I trust God the more I will do.
Thats irrelevant. God looks at our heart as to why things are done. Jesus describes the difference between a rich person giving a little of his wealth and a widow giving everything she owned. Though the rich person gave more than the widow, the widow's heart was more pleasing to God because her heart was more sincere.
I believe in Christ and walking in His love, the cross ever before me and His word in my heart.
I am walking in the salvation I have been given, and know the seal of the Holy Spirit on
my soul.
Obviously some believe something different than this by being antagonistic, and agressive
claiming there is some deeper revelation still to be received, when it is Christ who wishes to
open up our eyes to His glorious provision, which is forever unfolding.
Some are trapped in dead works and have not had their conscience cleansed to
see the beauty and holiness of Gods law. So test yourselves. Read Gods law, and if you
feel condemned there are still areas in your life you need to deal with and repent of.
Christs sacrifice is once for all to make us holy, pure and blameless, cleansed by the
working of the Holy Spirit. If one stays in sin, and sins even in daily life knowingly,
it is not a stamp of success but need of repentance. So clear is Gods word,
we are a Holy, blameless people, full of purity and grace.
I am walking in the salvation I have been given, and know the seal of the Holy Spirit on
my soul.
Obviously some believe something different than this by being antagonistic, and agressive
claiming there is some deeper revelation still to be received, when it is Christ who wishes to
open up our eyes to His glorious provision, which is forever unfolding.
Some are trapped in dead works and have not had their conscience cleansed to
see the beauty and holiness of Gods law. So test yourselves. Read Gods law, and if you
feel condemned there are still areas in your life you need to deal with and repent of.
Christs sacrifice is once for all to make us holy, pure and blameless, cleansed by the
working of the Holy Spirit. If one stays in sin, and sins even in daily life knowingly,
it is not a stamp of success but need of repentance. So clear is Gods word,
we are a Holy, blameless people, full of purity and grace.