OBAMA ENDS WET FEET, DRY FEET POLICY

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p_rehbein

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When I heard this reported on CBSN this evening, I was more than a bit confused. For those not familiar with the "Wet Feet, Dry Feet" Policy regarding Cuban citizens followed by the US Government......

(read here)


The wet foot, dry foot policy is the name given to a consequence of the 1995 revision of the Cuban Adjustment Act of 1966 that essentially says that anyone who fled Cuba and entered the United States would be allowed to pursue residency a year later. After talks with the Cuban government, the Clinton administration came to an agreement with Cuba that it would stop admitting people intercepted in U.S. waters. Since then, in what has become known as the "Wet foot, Dry foot" policy, a Cuban caught on the waters between the two nations (with "wet feet") would summarily be sent home or to a third country. One who makes it to shore ("dry feet") gets a chance to remain in the United States, and later would qualify for expedited "legal permanent resident" status and eventually U.S. citizenship. In January 2017, the Obama administration announced the immediate end of the policy.[SUP][1]


For years, Cubans entering the US illegally had been given special treatment, but Obama has ended that Policy/Program.
I was a bit confused why a Democrat would take this step, and had to spend some time considering all the motivations/ramifications of such an act. It would (on the surface) seem to be Political suicide for the Dems in the State of Florida come General Election time, but, wait, let me consider this a bit more.

Hmmmmm

Trump made Illegal Immigration the Cornerstone of his Campaign. Promised to "crack down, and end" Illegal Immigration as President Elect.

Hmmmmm

On further review, is it possible that Obama has just placed a very dangerous "land mine" directly in the path of the incoming Trump Administration? Cuban/Americans/Cuban Immigrants are a very important Voting Block in Florida. In 3 of the last 5 General Election, the Republicans have won Florida I believe. Bush twice, and Trump most recently.

Is it possible that Obama/the DNC take such a huge gamble as to anger the Cuban Community/Voters in Florida believing that this action will insure Democrats will win the State in future Elections? Think about it...........IF Trump follows through with his promise (and I believe he will do all he can to do so) and cracks down on Illegal Immigration........FOR THE FIRST TIME in many, many years, this crack down will DIRECTLY effect the Cuban community in Florida. I suspect such a crack down would cause a lot of anger, and cost any future Republican Candidate a lot of votes/support from the Cuban community in future General Elections.

I am left to speculate that this action by Obama is either:

1) The dumbest thing he has ever done as President

or

2) A brilliant Political move designed to turn Florida into the California of the East with regards to General Elections.

Guess only time will tell............and how the Trump Administration reacts to this move by Obama when it takes Office in a few days. I sincerely hope SOMEONE IN THE RNC/Administration is paying attention to this, AND understands the possibilities of such a strategic move on Obama's part.






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maxwel

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When I heard this reported on CBSN this evening, I was more than a bit confused. For those not familiar with the "Wet Feet, Dry Feet" Policy regarding Cuban citizens followed by the US Government......

(read here)


The wet foot, dry foot policy is the name given to a consequence of the 1995 revision of the Cuban Adjustment Act of 1966 that essentially says that anyone who fled Cuba and entered the United States would be allowed to pursue residency a year later. After talks with the Cuban government, the Clinton administration came to an agreement with Cuba that it would stop admitting people intercepted in U.S. waters. Since then, in what has become known as the "Wet foot, Dry foot" policy, a Cuban caught on the waters between the two nations (with "wet feet") would summarily be sent home or to a third country. One who makes it to shore ("dry feet") gets a chance to remain in the United States, and later would qualify for expedited "legal permanent resident" status and eventually U.S. citizenship. In January 2017, the Obama administration announced the immediate end of the policy.[SUP][1]


For years, Cubans entering the US illegally had been given special treatment, but Obama has ended that Policy/Program.
I was a bit confused why a Democrat would take this step, and had to spend some time considering all the motivations/ramifications of such an act. It would (on the surface) seem to be Political suicide for the Dems in the State of Florida come General Election time, but, wait, let me consider this a bit more.

Hmmmmm

Trump made Illegal Immigration the Cornerstone of his Campaign. Promised to "crack down, and end" Illegal Immigration as President Elect.

Hmmmmm

On further review, is it possible that Obama has just placed a very dangerous "land mine" directly in the path of the incoming Trump Administration? Cuban/Americans/Cuban Immigrants are a very important Voting Block in Florida. In 3 of the last 5 General Election, the Republicans have won Florida I believe. Bush twice, and Trump most recently.

Is it possible that Obama/the DNC take such a huge gamble as to anger the Cuban Community/Voters in Florida believing that this action will insure Democrats will win the State in future Elections? Think about it...........IF Trump follows through with his promise (and I believe he will do all he can to do so) and cracks down on Illegal Immigration........FOR THE FIRST TIME in many, many years, this crack down will DIRECTLY effect the Cuban community in Florida. I suspect such a crack down would cause a lot of anger, and cost any future Republican Candidate a lot of votes/support from the Cuban community in future General Elections.

I am left to speculate that this action by Obama is either:

1) The dumbest thing he has ever done as President

or

2) A brilliant Political move designed to turn Florida into the California of the East with regards to General Elections.

Guess only time will tell............and how the Trump Administration reacts to this move by Obama when it takes Office in a few days. I sincerely hope SOMEONE IN THE RNC/Administration is paying attention to this, AND understands the possibilities of such a strategic move on Obama's part.




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That's very possible.

It had to be done for SOME KIND of political reason.

It wasn't an accident.
 

p_rehbein

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I agree.

It is/was a huge gamble on his part, or the part of the DNC. I don't think he would have done this without some serious input from someone/somewhere, but, one never knows.

There are so many I.E.D.'s involved with this action for the Republicans and the Trump Administration.

One that most folks ignored during all of the past Election/Campaign Cycle is that the Republican mantra/stance is to NOT support Amnesty for Illegals............however, more than a few Republicans willingly support the Wet Foot/Dry Foot Policy of the US Government. This Policy/Program is, by it's very definition, SELECTIVE Blanket Amnesty for Cuban citizens. :)

Irony? Or, maybe Hypocrisy?

In any event, if the Trump Administration follows through and cracks down, and refuses to restore this Policy/Program protecting the Cuban citizens, it will have very real negative results in future Elections in my opinion. As well, there will be a few, if not more, Republicans who will be really, really you know what.

If he does restore it, then it is quite possible the Dems and others will use this to show that he/his Administration favors Blanket Amnesty for Cubans, but not for all other Illegals.

I have wondered, since it was first put in place in 1995, why it was not declared unConstitutional by SCOTUS? The Constitution forbids the enactment of Laws that "favor one specific/select group" over all others as I recall.

Anyway, this, in my opinion, will in days to come, grow into a Story that may well cause a huge uproar among the Hispanic peoples of our Country, both Cubans and others from other Nations.

That's very possible.

It had to be done for SOME KIND of political reason.

It wasn't an accident.
 
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When I heard this reported on CBSN this evening, I was more than a bit confused. For those not familiar with the "Wet Feet, Dry Feet" Policy regarding Cuban citizens followed by the US Government......

(read here)


The wet foot, dry foot policy is the name given to a consequence of the 1995 revision of the Cuban Adjustment Act of 1966 that essentially says that anyone who fled Cuba and entered the United States would be allowed to pursue residency a year later. After talks with the Cuban government, the Clinton administration came to an agreement with Cuba that it would stop admitting people intercepted in U.S. waters. Since then, in what has become known as the "Wet foot, Dry foot" policy, a Cuban caught on the waters between the two nations (with "wet feet") would summarily be sent home or to a third country. One who makes it to shore ("dry feet") gets a chance to remain in the United States, and later would qualify for expedited "legal permanent resident" status and eventually U.S. citizenship. In January 2017, the Obama administration announced the immediate end of the policy.[SUP][1]


For years, Cubans entering the US illegally had been given special treatment, but Obama has ended that Policy/Program.
I was a bit confused why a Democrat would take this step, and had to spend some time considering all the motivations/ramifications of such an act. It would (on the surface) seem to be Political suicide for the Dems in the State of Florida come General Election time, but, wait, let me consider this a bit more.

Hmmmmm

Trump made Illegal Immigration the Cornerstone of his Campaign. Promised to "crack down, and end" Illegal Immigration as President Elect.

Hmmmmm

On further review, is it possible that Obama has just placed a very dangerous "land mine" directly in the path of the incoming Trump Administration? Cuban/Americans/Cuban Immigrants are a very important Voting Block in Florida. In 3 of the last 5 General Election, the Republicans have won Florida I believe. Bush twice, and Trump most recently.

Is it possible that Obama/the DNC take such a huge gamble as to anger the Cuban Community/Voters in Florida believing that this action will insure Democrats will win the State in future Elections? Think about it...........IF Trump follows through with his promise (and I believe he will do all he can to do so) and cracks down on Illegal Immigration........FOR THE FIRST TIME in many, many years, this crack down will DIRECTLY effect the Cuban community in Florida. I suspect such a crack down would cause a lot of anger, and cost any future Republican Candidate a lot of votes/support from the Cuban community in future General Elections.

I am left to speculate that this action by Obama is either:

1) The dumbest thing he has ever done as President

or

2) A brilliant Political move designed to turn Florida into the California of the East with regards to General Elections.

Guess only time will tell............and how the Trump Administration reacts to this move by Obama when it takes Office in a few days. I sincerely hope SOMEONE IN THE RNC/Administration is paying attention to this, AND understands the possibilities of such a strategic move on Obama's part.






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From what I see, Obama just doesn't believe in xenophobia. He's made that clear in several of his policies. Obviously, Trump believes different. White Republicans will continue to vote for xenophobia, white Democrats will continue to vote otherwise, and every minority in between will go wherever their interests are best represented.
 

FlSnookman7

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From what I see, Obama just doesn't believe in xenophobia. He's made that clear in several of his policies. Obviously, Trump believes different. White Republicans will continue to vote for xenophobia, white Democrats will continue to vote otherwise, and every minority in between will go wherever their interests are best represented.
Kind of funny really that you unwittingly prove what many think about liberals. The facts do not matter to libs, they will lie in the face of facts and they think they know what is best even for a nation they do not live in. Brilliant!
 

Billyd

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The reason is simple. The Cuban immigrants vote Republican.
 
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Kind of funny really that you unwittingly prove what many think about liberals. The facts do not matter to libs, they will lie in the face of facts and they think they know what is best even for a nation they do not live in. Brilliant!
What facts? Point out to me the scientific, inalienable facts within this debate, please.
 

notuptome

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In just a couple years, since we are normalizing relations with Cuba, I suspect they will apply for statehood.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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BHO HRC all believe in open boarders. We see how well it works in Europe.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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BHO HRC all believe in open boarders. We see how well it works in Europe.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Worked fine in Europe, until the Republican house and senate decided it would be a good idea for the US military to level Syria to ashes. Before that, it was pretty much just dandy, really.
 
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From what I see, Obama just doesn't believe in xenophobia. He's made that clear in several of his policies. Obviously, Trump believes different. White Republicans will continue to vote for xenophobia, white Democrats will continue to vote otherwise, and every minority in between will go wherever their interests are best represented.
White Republicans ya say.......what about Black, Red, Yellow and Brown Republicans......?
 

maxwel

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From what I see, Obama just doesn't believe in xenophobia. He's made that clear in several of his policies. Obviously, Trump believes different. White Republicans will continue to vote for xenophobia, white Democrats will continue to vote otherwise, and every minority in between will go wherever their interests are best represented.
I think we need to look up the definition of Xenophobia.

Intelligently controlling immigration policies does not equate to xenophobia,
it is simply the SAME THING that virtually ALL NATIONS have almost ALWAYS DONE.


Labeling anyone you dislike with crazy labels doesn't actually change reality.




(I will also add that separating a group of republicans by their skin color, and then disparaging that color of people... actually makes YOU a racist.)
 
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Billyd

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Worked fine in Europe, until the Republican house and senate decided it would be a good idea for the US military to level Syria to ashes. Before that, it was pretty much just dandy, really.
I don't know where you get your info. Seems to me it is Russia, Europe and mostly the Syrian's that have left the country in ashes.
 

FlSnookman7

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Worked fine in Europe, until the Republican house and senate decided it would be a good idea for the US military to level Syria to ashes. Before that, it was pretty much just dandy, really.
Again you ignore the facts...fact, obama allowed isis to form when he pulled out of iraq too soon, fact, russia and assad have "leveled syria to ashes" not the USA. Also since you are speaking from your high horse while in a divided nation with a city (belfast) that is almost as deadly as aleppo perhaps you would be taken seriously if you first fixed your own problems instead of anyone else's.
 
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Again you ignore the facts...fact, obama allowed isis to form when he pulled out of iraq too soon, fact, russia and assad have "leveled syria to ashes" not the USA. Also since you are speaking from your high horse while in a divided nation with a city (belfast) that is almost as deadly as aleppo perhaps you would be taken seriously if you first fixed your own problems instead of anyone else's.
"Belfast almost as deadly as Alleppo" lol you really are deluded.
 

FlSnookman7

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"Belfast almost as deadly as Alleppo" lol you really are deluded.[/QUOTE

Wait, so you're saying since I do not live in Belfast I shouldn't comment on it because I don't really know the situation there??? That's odd since that is exactly what you do.....hmmmmm.
 
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"Belfast almost as deadly as Alleppo" lol you really are deluded.[/QUOTE

Wait, so you're saying since I do not live in Belfast I shouldn't comment on it because I don't really know the situation there??? That's odd since that is exactly what you do.....hmmmmm.
No, I said you're deluded.
 

Nate83

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No, I said you're deluded.
The point remains you're ignoring the facts/making up stuff. Assad, Rebels, Hamas, Hezbollah, Russia have leveled Aleppo.

Worked fine in Europe
Fine as in everyone getting bombed and run over by trucks right? Probably something you applaud too.

Until the Republican house and senate decided it would be a good idea for the US military to level Syria to ashes.
You cannot rewrite history, sorry. The President could have easily used this thing called a "veto" Google it. Nothing of the sort happened and what you type is not reality.

Before that, it was pretty much just dandy, really.
Bashar Al-Assad's genocide is dandy? Violently trying to take over the Golan Heights is dandy? Stew in your own ignorance guy, the rest of us have read a history book.
 

p_rehbein

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p_rehbein

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  • 1.intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.


So, you are saying that anyone who believes in enforcing the Law is xenophobic? Given that, by Obama's action, that would qualify him to be described as xenophobic according to your statement, for he took action to have Cubans entering our Country illegally deported back to Cuba, or a 3rd Nation they have no connection to.




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From what I see, Obama just doesn't believe in xenophobia. He's made that clear in several of his policies. Obviously, Trump believes different. White Republicans will continue to vote for xenophobia, white Democrats will continue to vote otherwise, and every minority in between will go wherever their interests are best represented.