Will We Have Universal Health Care

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Billyd

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After listening to Donald Trump over the weekend, I feel like we may be on the verge of Universal Health Care. What he said and what the Republicans in Congress are promising are two different things. The difference being that he says every citizen have healthcare and Republicans in Congress says citizens will have access to affordable healthcare. I hope that he delivers on his promise.



Donald Trump may have just destroyed the republican effort to repeal obamacare
 

Tommy379

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Oh, I hope we don't get universal health care. Everything the government does is crap. I couldn't imagine how horrible a job the government would do to manage Healthcare for 320 million people. I couldn't imagine how much it would cost and where they would get the money to do it.
 

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Oh, I hope we don't get universal health care. Everything the government does is crap. I couldn't imagine how horrible a job the government would do to manage Healthcare for 320 million people. I couldn't imagine how much it would cost and where they would get the money to do it.
I have had government managed healthcare (Tricare and/or Medicare) for over fifty years. I don't believe that you will find anyone with either program who would willingly give it up.

Have you actually sat down and figured out what the actual cost would be? You and your employer now pays for Medicare through payroll deduction (tax). Medicare serves those 65 and older. The largest users of healthcare services are in this bloc. With minimal effort, and reasonable cost, the program could be extended to everyone who doesn't qualify for Medicaid.
 

Tommy379

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I have had government managed healthcare (Tricare and/or Medicare) for over fifty years. I don't believe that you will find anyone with either program who would willingly give it up.

Have you actually sat down and figured out what the actual cost would be? You and your employer now pays for Medicare through payroll deduction (tax). Medicare serves those 65 and older. The largest users of healthcare services are in this bloc. With minimal effort, and reasonable cost, the program could be extended to everyone who doesn't qualify for Medicaid.
I just don't want it. I don't want the government involved in it. I don't want it at any cost. I would be extremely pleased if health care was a cash and carry business.
 
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I have had government managed healthcare (Tricare and/or Medicare) for over fifty years. I don't believe that you will find anyone with either program who would willingly give it up.

Have you actually sat down and figured out what the actual cost would be? You and your employer now pays for Medicare through payroll deduction (tax). Medicare serves those 65 and older. The largest users of healthcare services are in this bloc. With minimal effort, and reasonable cost, the program could be extended to everyone who doesn't qualify for Medicaid.
But see you worked hard to get TriCare as not everyone is eligible for it or choose to use it. I just don't understand why people deny a service such as this when they put their lives on the line. I see it as one way our country gives back to our service men and women and their families

Thank you for your dedication and service to our country, btw :)
 
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I have had government managed healthcare (Tricare and/or Medicare) for over fifty years. I don't believe that you will find anyone with either program who would willingly give it up.

Have you actually sat down and figured out what the actual cost would be? You and your employer now pays for Medicare through payroll deduction (tax). Medicare serves those 65 and older. The largest users of healthcare services are in this bloc. With minimal effort, and reasonable cost, the program could be extended to everyone who doesn't qualify for Medicaid.
TriCare is undoubtedly the Premium Gravy Boat of insurances. But, I imagine it would soon sink to the depths of VA "care" if the government tried to stretch it to everyone.
 
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I just don't want it. I don't want the government involved in it. I don't want it at any cost. I would be extremely pleased if health care was a cash and carry business.
You don't mean that.I know because surely there Is someone that you want to be safe other than yourself.
 
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I don't think there is any way to provide full health care to absolutely every single American regardless of their health. I don't think that's do-able. I think we can come up with something that covers "most" people for "most" things, but I think there will be some conditions that are just not feasible to be covered at everyone else's expense. It doesn't happen in other countries that have socialized health care, so there's no reason to expect it will happen here. Some folks just don't get covered because of their conditions and the outrageous expense of their treatment/management/care.

I don't want to sound heartless or that I don't care or am ignorant. I'm not. I know full well how expensive medical junk is and how it would be soooooo nice to not choose between medications or eating, but universal health care is something that needs a pragmatic, non-emotional approach to solve.
 

Tommy379

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You don't mean that.I know because surely there Is someone that you want to be safe other than yourself.
I believe that if there was no health insurance or any government funding of healthcare, the prices would drop dramatically.
 
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Creating affordable universal healthcare is virtually impossible, how about Soylent Green instead! :)

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17Bees

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Oh, I hope we don't get universal health care. Everything the government does is crap. I couldn't imagine how horrible a job the government would do to manage Healthcare for 320 million people. I couldn't imagine how much it would cost and where they would get the money to do it.
I think Tommy is right, the feds would mangle health care for 320 million people. I truly believe healthcare coverage in USA should be a state issue. What is considered good for California will probably not be acceptable for Mississippi and vice versa. A State's health care policy would have a much better idea of how to serve their citizens and leave more options on the table. They could group policy or tax mandate or whatever suits their locale. Of course, the Feds will try to "appropriate" money to each state, but I don't even believe they should be able to do that because that will give them some say.

The USA was always designed to be a country if States, not the state of a country.
 
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I believe that if there was no health insurance or any government funding of healthcare, the prices would drop dramatically.
What makes you think that would happen?
 

Billyd

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I can't help but wonder what God thinks when we (government) spend hundreds of billion dollars to fight wars all over the world, but we are too tight to ensure that every one of our own citizens has access to adequate quality healthcare.
 

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It all depends----- is God a Republican or Democrat...
 

Tommy379

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What makes you think that would happen?
The same reason you can buy a 60 inch 4k smart tv for 400 bucks, they want to sell TVs. You cannot move product that cost too much. Health care is a product.

You know that the feds subsidize every bit of milk sold in this nation. Some politicians claim that if they didn't, milk would cost up to 10 dollars a gallon. No it wouldn't. You know why I know this? Because no sane person would pay 10 dollars a gallon for milk.

The government has a tendency through incompetence or out right corruption to waste our money. Health care will be no different, despite the promises made.

I work in government and I know we will spend twice as much for a flashlight than anyone else.

There is no right to health care. I've looked it up. Lets not create a new right that will soon become divisive and unaffordable.

Insurance is not for everyone and everything. Think about it, you don't make a claim on your homeowners insurance because the neighbor kid hit a base ball through the window. You use insurance when the house burns down. Health insurance should be no different. It is there when you get hit by a bus or come down with cancer. Why do we expect it to pay for doctors visits and birth control?

We regulate pharmaceuticals to death. We make them jump through regulation on top of regulation at a great expense, then tell them they can only hold a patent on their hard work for 7 years, no wonder drugs cost so much.

I have found nothing in the United States Constitution that establishes the federal government is to provide health care, retirement pensions, education, or pick winners or losers in industry. The United States government needs to be put in proper perspective, it is 50 countries bound by a defense and trade union.
 
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After listening to Donald Trump over the weekend, I feel like we may be on the verge of Universal Health Care. What he said and what the Republicans in Congress are promising are two different things. The difference being that he says every citizen have healthcare and Republicans in Congress says citizens will have access to affordable healthcare. I hope that he delivers on his promise.



Donald Trump may have just destroyed the republican effort to repeal obamacare
Too bad you couldn't find an unbiased story. Yeesh! Whatever became of reporting the news? Now it's all "he's a scumbag and this is why."

In truth, universal coverage is undoable in this country. No one is going to accept the tax rates required to have government dole out healthcare. AND, no way would I want to wait months for elective surgery if I'm hurting now. (I still remember the gallstone colic.)

And, it's true. The DEMOCRATIC "universal access," (why they call that Republican is beyond me), never worked. Instead of covering those who truly couldn't afford it, they fined them. How stupid is that? They promised the 2% who couldn't afford it that it would help them, but fining them really doesn't help. It hurts. AND the number remains the same.

So, nope. Obamacare is gone, and Trump gets a steep learning curve on "just because we voted you in still doesn't mean we want you to run the whole country. There's a reason for a three-tiered government."

I figured as much already. It was never The Donald that would get rid of Obamacare. All he does it not-veto it. I'm still hoping that's gone before he takes the oath. (Less likely now that Inauguration is only three days away, but I hope big time. lol)

I realized those of us who couldn't get help before weren't getting any more help. I just voted for a little less hurt.
 
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I have had government managed healthcare (Tricare and/or Medicare) for over fifty years. I don't believe that you will find anyone with either program who would willingly give it up.

Have you actually sat down and figured out what the actual cost would be? You and your employer now pays for Medicare through payroll deduction (tax). Medicare serves those 65 and older. The largest users of healthcare services are in this bloc. With minimal effort, and reasonable cost, the program could be extended to everyone who doesn't qualify for Medicaid.
Tricare must be state run. I've never heard of it. And, I'd give up Medicare in a New York minute if I had a better option.

God was very gracious to us. Hubby is covered by the VA. His secondary was Medicare. And he landed in the VA, not a closer hospital. Because the VA doesn't do stents, they picked up the tab when they transferred him to U. of Penn hospital. (HUP) HUP got the primary and secondary insurances wrong at one point and sent us the bill for his oral surgery.

He had all his teeth removed after they gave him a new valve, to make sure the valve wouldn't get infected. Open-heart surgery they didn't screw up with billing. Removing his teeth they did.

I got the part that Medicare wouldn't pay. The 20%? $8000+!!! Imagine what the rest would have cost us considering that was the minor problem!

Later on, they screwed up some more, so day in and day out, while I'm running around going nuts, worrying about John, taking care of here, and visiting him there, I'd come home to 30-60 envelopes of Medicare telling me what we did or didn't owe for every little thing.

Every. Little. Thing! His X-rays would have cost us $1.85 per X-ray if the VA didn't pay for it. Doesn't sound like much, does it? $1.85 a day for 2.5 months. (And one envelope per time he got an Xray. One envelope per every line-by-line charge. I spent hours calling them to stop flooding me with this junk. One of the people I called told me they've been known to keep coming for 1-3 years after the patient died too. Lovely thing to hear when worrying your husband might be dying. And I actually had to call the Director and pester to stop it from coming. They kept coming even after he got home.) And that doesn't include the how much a unit of blood cost. (He had over 50 units.) That doesn't count nurses, doctors, ICU, dialysis, (kidneys shut down for three days), the EKMO, MRIs, CT scans, blood work, testing the air in his lungs to make sure he was getting his nutritional needs, the feed bags, the catheterization...

I saw the final figures. Our 30-year mortgage will be paid off in 2022. We'd be starting at day one, if we had to pay just the stuff Medicare doesn't cover -- the 20%!

The amount of envelopes? At least 400! THAT is our government taking care of health services.

And don't get me started at how bad they are for the VA. He actually got scolded for not drinking enough when he was unable to get out of bed. He drank whatever they gave him. (32 oz. a day on good days. Sometimes as low as 16 oz.) They just didn't have enough ThickIt to give enough to him. They scolded him because his kidneys were dehydrated!
 
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I believe that if there was no health insurance or any government funding of healthcare, the prices would drop dramatically.
Believe that all you want, but health insurance companies make 2-4% profit. What would you like, negative numbers?