Israel is NOT the Church and the Church is NOT Israel.
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That is just an apologetic because it demonstrates that the church was not something that previously existed, but was/is a new entity. This is what people do to discredit the truth. They do the same thing regarding the pre-tribulational gathering of the church, salvation by grace through faith apart from the works of the law, the literal thousand year reign of Christ, the bodily resurrection, the coming wrath of God, and on and on and on. It's a continual pattern!
It is sad that Satan has found his little foot soldiers, under the guise of Christians, to spread his distortion of God's word on just about every Biblical topic.
"For a time is coming (and is here) when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths."
It is sad that Satan has found his little foot soldiers, under the guise of Christians, to spread his distortion of God's word on just about every Biblical topic.
"For a time is coming (and is here) when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths."
lol,my point was in that we seem to be at odds with one another similar to the way they were also in the past.
Then, in that day when Christ came he pointed out the differences in the way each of those groups,camps,denominations(which ever word applies) and in the end none of the groups/camps ect. were correct and the Church(a new group/camp) began.
Today though,or in that day seeing that we all at least agree that Christianity is the correct group,camp then in the end it would not make sense if we found out that we were all off base,incorrect ect. and another new group begins(like in that day). So the question is which group among the many camps in Christianity is the correct camp. We all do agree I think that Christianity is the correct faith but which flavour there seems to be so many.
Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.
The six day war when Israel fighter jets paved the way for victory to take back Jerusalem,and be under Jewish control.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.
The six day war when Israel fighter jets paved the way for victory to take back Jerusalem,and be under Jewish control.
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I thought my analogies were quite good! When Jesus was gathering His building stones...when He was gathering the disciples...His "construction" process had therefore already begun!
The "calling out" began the moment Jesus began calling out His followers!
And my analogy about someone standing in midst of a newly begun construction project who could easily be imagined to have said "I will build this house over the next three months". I'm curious how that would make me into one of "Satan's little foot soldiers"? Yikes, lol.
And when I simply observe that Jesus told the believers to have an expectation of great tribulation...how does that connect with me being a satanic foot soldier?
The "calling out" began the moment Jesus began calling out His followers!
And my analogy about someone standing in midst of a newly begun construction project who could easily be imagined to have said "I will build this house over the next three months". I'm curious how that would make me into one of "Satan's little foot soldiers"? Yikes, lol.
And when I simply observe that Jesus told the believers to have an expectation of great tribulation...how does that connect with me being a satanic foot soldier?
I think that if there were any possible advancement between preterite and dispensationist it would be if to focus on one thing, that being if the wrath of God is only poured out on the ones who have the mark,the number worship the image ect. did those who were of the revolt from ad66-70 have the mark or did they not, is this scripture fulfilled...
well,it seems here or there where ever I observe a thread the posters argue that it is going to happen verses it already happened. Then depending on which camp they are from the other matters fall in line with which position they hold. It's the same thread here as any of the same anywhere on the internet as it was in history.
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Aw, "dcontro" you approved this message. I'm hurt! That's OK. I have such unusual views on a large number of issues, I have zero expectations of anyone agreeing with all of them! No hard feelings.
But anyway...it all goes back to how one views the big picture of geopolitics from a biblical perspective. There were nothing but occultist/Luciferians behind the push to create the modern state of Israel. Some of the multitude of proofs for this would be...the great, big satanic symbol placed smack on the flag of Israel, just for openers. The plethora of satanic/occult symbolism plastered all over Israeli government buildings, as another.
Lord Balfour (of "Balfour Declaration" fame in 1917) was himself an occultist/Luciferian who held seances and other occult rituals in his home.
Most Bible Christians have failed to keep their eye on the ball: There is NO biblically-based moral authorization for armies to enter into Palestine and kick out (what were) the current owners and residents in 1948.
All you're seeing in 1967 is a failed attempt of people trying to gain back that which had been taken from them.
But this should have its own thread, I imagine.
But anyway...it all goes back to how one views the big picture of geopolitics from a biblical perspective. There were nothing but occultist/Luciferians behind the push to create the modern state of Israel. Some of the multitude of proofs for this would be...the great, big satanic symbol placed smack on the flag of Israel, just for openers. The plethora of satanic/occult symbolism plastered all over Israeli government buildings, as another.
Lord Balfour (of "Balfour Declaration" fame in 1917) was himself an occultist/Luciferian who held seances and other occult rituals in his home.
Most Bible Christians have failed to keep their eye on the ball: There is NO biblically-based moral authorization for armies to enter into Palestine and kick out (what were) the current owners and residents in 1948.
All you're seeing in 1967 is a failed attempt of people trying to gain back that which had been taken from them.
But this should have its own thread, I imagine.
Many judgments have come on America when we mess with Israel---their land---their settlements------one example---when George Bush displaced Jewish settlements in Israel (Gaza Strip) August 15, 2005 (deadline decree)----within 2 weeks residents of New Orleans were displaced (Katrina hits August 29, 2005)----could be a coincident?-----I will post more----there are many----any body trying to lift this heavy stone will injure themselves...(Zechariah 12:3)
Aw, "dcontro" you approved this message. I'm hurt! That's OK. I have such unusual views on a large number of issues, I have zero expectations of anyone agreeing with all of them! No hard feelings.
But anyway...it all goes back to how one views the big picture of geopolitics from a biblical perspective. There were nothing but occultist/Luciferians behind the push to create the modern state of Israel. Some of the multitude of proofs for this would be...the great, big satanic symbol placed smack on the flag of Israel, just for openers. The plethora of satanic/occult symbolism plastered all over Israeli government buildings, as another.
Lord Balfour (of "Balfour Declaration" fame in 1917) was himself an occultist/Luciferian who held seances and other occult rituals in his home.
Most Bible Christians have failed to keep their eye on the ball: There is NO biblically-based moral authorization for armies to enter into Palestine and kick out (what were) the current owners and residents in 1948.
All you're seeing in 1967 is a failed attempt of people trying to gain back that which had been taken from them.
But this should have its own thread, I imagine.
But anyway...it all goes back to how one views the big picture of geopolitics from a biblical perspective. There were nothing but occultist/Luciferians behind the push to create the modern state of Israel. Some of the multitude of proofs for this would be...the great, big satanic symbol placed smack on the flag of Israel, just for openers. The plethora of satanic/occult symbolism plastered all over Israeli government buildings, as another.
Lord Balfour (of "Balfour Declaration" fame in 1917) was himself an occultist/Luciferian who held seances and other occult rituals in his home.
Most Bible Christians have failed to keep their eye on the ball: There is NO biblically-based moral authorization for armies to enter into Palestine and kick out (what were) the current owners and residents in 1948.
All you're seeing in 1967 is a failed attempt of people trying to gain back that which had been taken from them.
But this should have its own thread, I imagine.
And see that’s good example of the point I'm trying to make in post #28 one camp sees the wrath of God poured out on them in ad70 and so the events of today are just certain judgements. This is because the way they see it the part about the mark Rev.13 has all been fulfilled in ad70. If they are from one of the camps that see the thing about the mark as future and see these events as leading up to an end where the mark is given and the wrath is then poured out on those who receive the mark then.
Now on the other hand if these things that happened and are happening are the wrath of God and they are being committed by us today then if the wrath of God is being poured out on us because the mark of the beast is here now and we have it and none of us have recognized it and we worship the image and don’t realize it. That is if these things that are happening are the fulfilment of God pouring out his wrath.
The gridlock is the mark of the beast it has to either be proved to have been fulfilled in ad70 or not because it is where the friction lies between the two camps in Christianity. The mark of the beast is the place where the two camps are at odds.
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I'll reword it again Israel in ad70,did God pour out his wrath on them because they had the mark,name ect. and worship the beast and if so it is fulfilled and none afterwards needs to look for it in the future? If so then it would be as well easy enough for it to be explained what the mark was and who the beast was as proof.