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[Timothy416]

I would think it would be exactly opposite.

Those who still try to treat the 10 commandments as carnal commandments that can be fulfilled by flesh and willpower can't have the ACTUAL law written on their hearts and mind, right?

Otherwise they would know that the 10 commandments aren't fulfilled by their carnal will and work, right?

They would stop trying to observe the letter of the law that kills and follow the Spirit that gives life. And they would know the difference between the two.

But what do you say to people who don't know the difference? How can they have the vail over their hearts and minds that is taken away when a person comes to Christ? How can a Christian not come to Christ and receive rest?

I certainly don't know. But there seems to be quite a few here...

No one can be a Christian unless the law God desires them to keep is written on their mind and placed on their heart. That is one of the two main principals on which the new covenant is based.

Though I see what you are saying, I am no ones judge, so wont be able to answer as you would like.
I would say a person can definitely become a Christian, have the law placed within them and try to obey it to be justified, for it would take them time to realise their endeavours must fail.
I know of many who go to church and harbour much guilt due to their inability to live to the standard set. Should we say these people cannot be in a saved state? I couldn't myself say that.
So I'm not much use to you here am I.
But concerning the point made.
The law placed within you must make you conscious of sin, that is scriptural fact
For through the law we become conscious of sin( rom3:20) for sin is transgression of the law1 john3:4

But as to who is and who is not a christian, I'm afraid I remain silent.
Sorry

 

[Grandpa]

No one can be a Christian unless the law God desires them to keep is written on their mind and placed on their heart. That is one of the two main principals on which the new covenant is based.

Though I see what you are saying, I am no ones judge, so wont be able to answer as you would like.
I would say a person can definitely become a Christian, have the law placed within them and try to obey it to be justified, for it would take them time to realise their endeavours must fail.
I know of many who go to church and harbour much guilt due to their inability to live to the standard set. Should we say these people cannot be in a saved state? I couldn't myself say that.
So I'm not much use to you here am I.
But concerning the point made.
The law placed within you must make you conscious of sin, that is scriptural fact
For through the law we become conscious of sin( rom3:20) for sin is transgression of the law1 john3:4

But as to who is and who is not a christian, I'm afraid I remain silent.
Sorry

I was just wondering what you would say.

I am in the same boat as you.

It just makes me wonder.

 

[Awakened]

This is the only verse I can find about them meeting the first day of the week. I thought this was referring to the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which would have been a seven day observance, Sunday to Saturday, then passover the 8th day? I am not claiming to be right.* Trying to understand,* myself. Lol

Acts 20:7
On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight
8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together


Mark 14(KJV)

12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

15 And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us

22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.



If a Jewish day goes from nightfall to nightfall, would it be considered Sat. when he rose?

Mark 16:9-18 (KJV)
9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

 

[Grace777x70]

I was just wondering what you would say.

I am in the same boat as you.

It just makes me wonder.

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The other thing to consider is - maybe the law that is put in our hearts in the New Covenant is not the law of Moses in the form that it was originally given.

Maybe the laws now in our hearts from God in the New Covenant once we are in Christ - are:

The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus? ( Romans 8:2 )


The law of faith ( the law of Moses is not of faith ), ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )


What if it is the law of love, and the law of liberty in Christ? ( James 1:25 )


What if it is the law of Christ Himself living in and through us as one spirit joined with Him? His life being manifested. ( Gal. 6:2 )

 

[Timothy416]

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The other thing to consider is - maybe the law that is put in our hearts in the New Covenant is not the law of Moses in the form that it was originally given.

Maybe the laws now in our hearts from God in the New Covenant once we are in Christ - are:

The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus? ( Romans 8:2 )


The law of faith ( the law of Moses is not of faith ), ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )


What if it is the law of love, and the law of liberty in Christ? ( James 1:25 )


What if it is the law of Christ Himself living in and through us as one spirit joined with Him? His life being manifested. ( Gal. 6:2 )

We know what God desires us to follow of the Ten Commandments has been placed on our hearts for Paul tells us that(2cor3:3)

Our sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more. God had to ensure this could not be used as a licence to sin.
If you go against what is in your heart you must have remorse at doing so. So no Christian can use grace as a licence to sin. God is smart, he had it all figured out

 

[Grace777x70]

We know what God desires us to follow of the Ten Commandments has been placed on our hearts for Paul tells us that(2cor3:3)

Our sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more. God had to ensure this could not be used as a licence to sin.
If you go against what is in your heart you must have remorse at doing so. So no Christian can use grace as a licence to sin. God is smart, he had it all figured out

The law's purpose was not for us to stop sinning - it was to make us sin so that we would know we needed a Savior and God used the law to lead us to Christ. We don't live by the law of Moses including the 10 commandments in the New Covenant.

We do however fulfill the intent of those commandments by living the life of Christ in and through us.

I don't see where 2 Cor. 3:3 is saying that God wants us to live by the ten commandments. It says that we are a living epistle of Christ and that is of the spirit and not like it was written as commandments on stone tablets..

2 Corinthians 3:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

The truth of the matter is - a Christian would never have to know what the 10 commandments or know that they even existed in the Old Covenant and walk in the spirit and be a living epistle of the love and grace of God towards others.

Of course grace is not a license to sin. Why people say that is amazing to me. I said one time that we don't live by the 10 commandments anymore and some one said - "so, you think we can desire someone else's wife now?"

Why would those that are filled with the love of God want to desire someone else's wife - it is contrary to the very law of Christ on the inside of us. Where does thoughts like that come from?

It's as if people cannot not trust the Holy Spirit nor the life of Christ in us now when we say that we are not under the law of Moses anymore which includes the 10 commandments. The natural carnal mind of man thinks - "so now you can sin all you want." That is totally contrary to the whole new creation in Christ and shows that they are ignorant of the new creation that we are in Christ.

In reality there is no such thing as using grace as a license to sin. Grace teaches us the exact opposite. It's an excuse that is made from those that don't know about the new creation in Christ yet.

People may "say" that they are under grace to sin all they want now but they are not under grace at all for if they were under grace it would be teaching them to deny ungodliness and to walk righteously in this world.

These types are warped in their thinking as well concerning the new creation in Christ if in fact they really are in the faith to begin with.

Paul said "If any man be in Christ. He is a new creation - "Behold ( look, perceive, see ) all things have become new" in 2 Cor. 5:17 - what are these "all things that are new?". It is not desiring someone else's wife.....

I'm not saying you are saying anything of the above - I am just making general comments about how we live now as Christians with the life of Christ in us.

 

[Timothy416]

The law's purpose was not for us to stop sinning - it was to make us sin so that we would know we needed a Savior and God used the law to lead us to Christ. We don't live by the law of Moses including the 10 commandments in the New Covenant.

We do however fulfill the intent of those commandments by living the life of Christ in and through us.

I don't see where 2 Cor. 3:3 is saying that God wants us to live by the ten commandments. It says that we are a living epistle of Christ and that is of the spirit and not like it was written as commandments on stone tablets..

2 Corinthians 3:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

The truth of the matter is - a Christian would never have to know what the 10 commandments or know that they even existed in the Old Covenant and walk in the spirit and be a living epistle of the love and grace of God towards others.

Of course grace is not a license to sin. Why people say that is amazing to me. I said one time that we don't live by the 10 commandments anymore and some one said - "so, you think we can desire someone else's wife now?"

Why would those that are filled with the love of God want to desire someone else's wife - it is contrary to the very law of Christ on the inside of us. Where does thoughts like that come from?

It's as if people cannot not trust the Holy Spirit nor the life of Christ in us now when we say that we are not under the law of Moses anymore which includes the 10 commandments. The natural carnal mind of man thinks - "so now you can sin all you want." That is totally contrary to the whole new creation in Christ and shows that they are ignorant of the new creation that we are in Christ.

In reality there is no such thing as using grace as a license to sin. Grace teaches us the exact opposite. It's an excuse that is made from those that don't know about the new creation in Christ yet.

People may "say" that they are under grace to sin all they want now but they are not under grace at all for if they were under grace it would be teaching them to deny ungodliness and to walk righteously in this world.

These types are warped in their thinking as well concerning the new creation in Christ if in fact they really are in the faith to begin with.

Paul said "If any man be in Christ. He is a new creation - "Behold ( look, perceive, see ) all things have become new" in 2 Cor. 5:17 - what are these "all things that are new?". It is not desiring someone else's wife.....

I'm not saying you are saying anything of the above - I am just making general comments about how we live now as Christians with the life of Christ in us.

You are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink, but the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone( ten commandments) but on tablets of human hearts

The two main clauses of the new covenant are:

I will write my laws in their mind and place them on their hearts

Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

The Christian is not under a law of righteousness, and this includes the Ten Commandments, but the law God desires you to obey is placed on your heart.
You can only be conscious of sin through the law. You in your heart dont want to covet, steal, commit adultery etc for that is where the law has been placed
I see what you are saying, however the wording is explicit under the core terms of the new covenant.

You don't obey by looking to the law, you look to Christ to live according to what is on your heart.
Obedience comes from faith(rom1:5)

 

[Grace777x70]

You are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink, but the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone( ten commandments) but on tablets of human hearts

The two main clauses of the new covenant are:

I will write my laws in their mind and place them on their hearts

Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

The Christian is not under a law of righteousness, and this includes the Ten Commandments, but the law God desires you to obey is placed on your heart.
You can only be conscious of sin through the law. You in your heart dont want to covet, steal, commit adultery etc for that is where the law has been placed
I see what you are saying, however the wording is explicit under the core terms of the new covenant.

You don't obey by looking to the law, you look to Christ to live according to what is on your heart.
Obedience comes from faith(rom1:5)

I agree. We look to Christ inside of us to live according to what is in our hearts - our new hearts that are in Christ now - created in righteousness and holiness.

We still have the law for the unrighteous and it still defines what sin is on a surface level and it is holy and righteous. It is still wrong to commit adultery..etc. ( both from the 10 commandment perspective and from the law of life and love in Christ perspective )

That is why I said that those laws on our hearts now are not the 10 commandments as in the law of Moses. They are different laws - the law of Christ Himself, the law of love, the law of faith..etc.

These will fulfill the intent of the law of Moses and all rise above the 10 commandments as can be seen by Jesus when He elevated His law above the law of Moses to say "You have heard it said - you shall not commit adultery - but I say unto you , if you lust after her - you have committed adultery." The law of Christ is superior to the good and holy law of Moses.

So, that's why we say - we don't live by the 10 commandments anymore in the New Covenant. Of course our carnal minds go "tilt" because some think - "can I kill someone now?"......there is no understanding of the new creation in Christ yet when things like that are being said.

Anyway nice chatting with you. I loved your thoughts of the law on the heart and if it were true about the Sabbath - then all Christians would know they were sinning by not keeping the Sabbath according to the laws of Moses.

Good stuff. I apologize again for not reading your first post as you intended it to be.

Have a great rest of the weekend!

 

[Timothy416]

I agree. We look to Christ inside of us to live according to what is in our hearts - our new hearts that are in Christ now - created in righteousness and holiness.

We still have the law for the unrighteous and it still defines what sin is on a surface level and it is holy and righteous. It is still wrong to commit adultery..etc. ( both from the 10 commandment perspective and from the law of life and love in Christ perspective )

That is why I said that those laws on our hearts now are not the 10 commandments as in the law of Moses. They are different laws - the law of Christ Himself, the law of love, the law of faith..etc.

These will fulfill the intent of the law of Moses and all rise above the 10 commandments as can be seen by Jesus when He elevated His law above the law of Moses to say "You have heard it said - you shall not commit adultery - but I say unto you , if you lust after her - you have committed adultery." The law of Christ is superior to the good and holy law of Moses.

So, that's why we say - we don't live by the 10 commandments anymore in the New Covenant. Of course our carnal minds go "tilt" because some think - "can I kill someone now?"......there is no understanding of the new creation in Christ yet when things like that are being said.

Anyway nice chatting with you. I loved your thoughts of the law on the heart and if it were true about the Sabbath - then all Christians would know they were sinning by not keeping the Sabbath according to the laws of Moses.

Good stuff. I apologize again for not reading your first post as you intended it to be.

Have a great rest of the weekend!

You have a nice weekend too. I think we should leave it here or we will simply go round in circles.

I would just like to add though. There is nothing wrong with the ten commandments. They are holy, righteous and good. The problem was the attached penalty for breaking them/ the law of righteousness.
The law of righteousness is for the non believer for they have no saviour from their sin. Christians do.

 

[Grace777x70]

You have a nice weekend too. I think we should leave it here or we will simply go round in circles.

I would just like to add though. There is nothing wrong with the ten commandments. They are holy, righteous and good. The problem was the attached penalty for breaking them/ the law of righteousness.
The law of righteousness is for the non believer for they have no saviour from their sin. Christians do.

The law of Moses is a manifestation of the knowledge of the tree of good and evil. This tree's fruit that Adam and Eve ate has caused this "knowledge" to be in the blood and heart of every one that was born after them - even those that the law of Moses was not brought to - the Gentiles. Rom. 2:14-15.

You know the funny thing is - I don't think I could name 1/2 of the 10 commandments right. I don't think the Holy Spirit empowers us to remember them. He loves to reveal Christ and His work as that is His job.

The Holy Spirit is into the ministry of life that is in the New Covenant in Christ - not in the ministry of death. He is into the ministry of righteousness - not the ministry of condemnation. 2 Cor. 3:6-10

 

[Timothy416]

The law of Moses is a manifestation of the knowledge of the tree of good and evil. This tree's fruit that Adam and Eve ate has caused this "knowledge" to be in the blood and heart of every one that was born after them - even those that the law of Moses was not brought to - the Gentiles. Rom. 2:14-15.

You know the funny thing is - I don't think I could name 1/2 of the 10 commandments right. I don't think the Holy Spirit empowers us to remember them. He loves to reveal Christ and His work as that is His job.

The Holy Spirit is into the ministry of life that is in the New Covenant in Christ - not in the ministry of death. He is into the ministry of righteousness - not the ministry of condemnation. 2 Cor. 3:6-10

There is no ministry of death in the Ten commandments if the attached penalty for breaking them is removed. And there is nothing to fear, by in your heart not wanting to steal, commit adultery, bear false witness etc

Paul put it well:

Christ is the end of the law, unto righteousness rom10:4

The last two words being key

 

[Grace777x70]

There is no ministry of death in the Ten commandments if the attached penalty for breaking them is removed. And there is nothing to fear, by in your heart not wanting to steal, commit adultery, bear false witness etc

Paul put it well:

Christ is the end of the law, unto righteousness rom10:4

The last two words being key

Yes....the end of the law for righteousness...the good news is that the Christian has died to the law, been released from the law and is not under the law anymore so the law is a goner for those in Christ.

The Christian has no more ties or obligations to the law just like when a married woman's husband is dead - she is not bound by him anymore. Roman 7:1-6

We have died to the law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Christ Himself.

We are not under it's "jurisdiction" anymore. Thank you Jesus! Paul shows us the analogy of a married woman and her husband and us now joined to Christ.

Romans 7:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives?

[SUP]2 [/SUP] For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

If we want to bear real fruit - God's fruit in our lives - we too need to know that we are dead to the law. We have nothing to do with the law anymore - just like a woman is not bound to her dead husband anymore.

The law of Moses itself did not die - we died. So, the law is still there - it's just that it has no jurisdiction in the believer's life now.

 

[Timothy416]

Yes....the end of the law for righteousness...the good news is that the Christian has died to the law, been released from the law and is not under the law anymore so the law is a goner for those in Christ.

The Christian has no more ties or obligations to the law just like when a married woman's husband is dead - she is not bound by him anymore. Roman 7:1-6

We have died to the law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Christ Himself.

We are not under it's "jurisdiction" anymore. Thank you Jesus! Paul shows us the analogy of a married woman and her husband and us now joined to Christ.

Romans 7:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives?

[SUP]2 [/SUP] For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

If we want to bear real fruit - God's fruit in our lives - we too need to know that we are dead to the law. We have nothing to do with the law anymore - just like a woman is not bound to her dead husband anymore.

The law of Moses itself did not die - we died. So, the law is still there - it's just that it has no jurisdiction in the believer's life now.

I love romans 7. But when Paul speaks of not being under the law he means a law of righteousness. You cant have nothing to do with not wanting to steal, lie murder etc. It isn't possible.
I was raised in strict legalism. It was an awful time. When grace was revealed to me I went overboard for a while, many do.

I went on a website and stated the law had gone. Someone replied:
That's blasphemy.

I wouldn't go that far, but it did make me think. And i came to change my view.

Some hear the words Ten commandments and it makes their hair stand up on end. But all it means by having this law on your heart is:
You in your heart dont want to take the Lords name in vain, steal, commit adultery, covet.

There is no legalism in that. There is nothing to fear in that. You cant say christians have nothing to do with these things.

I repeat, the first main clause of the new covenant states.

I will write MY LAWS in their minds and place them on their hearts

That is how it is worded, very plainly.

No one should take offence, panic, or find fault with the idea of a christian in their heart wanting to live as God desires them to, if they are not living under a law of righteousness

 

[Grace777x70]

I love romans 7. But when Paul speaks of not being under the law he means a law of righteousness. You cant have nothing to do with not wanting to steal, lie murder etc. It isn't possible.
I was raised in strict legalism. It was an awful time. When grace was revealed to me I went overboard for a while, many do.

I went on a website and stated the law had gone. Someone replied:
That's blasphemy.

I wouldn't go that far, but it did make me think. And i came to change my view.

Some hear the words Ten commandments and it makes their hair stand up on end. But all it means by having this law on your heart is:
You in your heart dont want to take the Lords name in vain, steal, commit adultery, covet.

There is no legalism in that. There is nothing to fear in that. You cant say christians have nothing to do with these things.

I repeat, the first main clause of the new covenant states.

I will write MY LAWS in their minds and place them on their hearts

That is how it is worded, very plainly.

No one should take offence, panic, or find fault with the idea of a christian in their heart wanting to live as God desires them to, if they are not living under a law of righteousness

What denomination where you raised in that had this strict legalism? I went to a Pentecostal church after I came to know Christ.


I don't think people think it's wrong to not want to steal nor that Christians take offense with them living according to the desires of the Lord - I don't think that is the issue at all. The issue is being under the law for anything for any reason.

This does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that those in Christ operating from the law of Christ, from the law of love, law of faith, the law of the spirit of life in Christ - will think it's ok to steal now.

This shows a total lack of understanding of the new creation in Christ if people think this way when Christians say that we are not under the law of Moses anymore.

The wife was not bound to the husband in any respect after he died and it's the same principle with us in Christ that have died to the law. The end of the law for righteousness is a different thing as it pertains to works for righteousness.

The law of Moses is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which was in the garden. Do good - get good. Do bad - get bad. We are not to eat of that tree.

Only God can eat of that tree. We eat from the tree of life which is Christ Himself.

Again....when people see "law" all they can think about is the Old Covenant law of Moses. Law simply means instruction or teaching - God puts the laws of Christ in us in the New Covenant, the law of the spirit of life in Christ, the law of love, the law of faith.

These are the "laws" which God was taking about concerning the New Covenant. It's the law of Christ Himself in us. His nature is not to want to steal from people and that is our nature too as we grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a great article that speaks about what is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ. I like to use this website as it has at the bottom a place where you can ask questions and sometimes I learn from that area a lot.

The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)

“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”

Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:

1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?


2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.


3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.


4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).


5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).


6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7:1-6). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?


7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.


8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?


9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.


10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).


11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).


12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.


13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?


14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?


15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?


16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?


17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.

If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.

The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...-commandments/

 

[Timothy416]

What denomination where you raised in that had this strict legalism? I went to a Pentecostal church after I came to know Christ.


I don't think people think it's wrong to not want to steal nor that Christians take offense with them living according to the desires of the Lord - I don't think that is the issue at all. The issue is being under the law for anything for any reason.

This does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that those in Christ operating from the law of Christ, from the law of love, law of faith, the law of the spirit of life in Christ - will think it's ok to steal now.

This shows a total lack of understanding of the new creation in Christ if people think this way when Christians say that we are not under the law of Moses anymore.

The wife was not bound to the husband in any respect after he died and it's the same principle with us in Christ that have died to the law. The end of the law for righteousness is a different thing as it pertains to works for righteousness.

The law of Moses is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which was in the garden. Do good - get good. Do bad - get bad. We are not to eat of that tree.

Only God can eat of that tree. We eat from the tree of life which is Christ Himself.

Again....when people see "law" all they can think about is the Old Covenant law of Moses. Law simply means instruction or teaching - God puts the laws of Christ in us in the New Covenant, the law of the spirit of life in Christ, the law of love, the law of faith.

These are the "laws" which God was taking about concerning the New Covenant. It's the law of Christ Himself in us. His nature is not to want to steal from people and that is our nature too as we grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.

Can you show me scripture where it states the christian has nothing to do with loving God
Can you show me where it states the christian has nothing to do with not committing murder, not stealing, not committing adultery etc

You are not arguing from a biblical viewpoint.
You can only be conscious of sin through the law.
Are you never conscious of sin?

John tells us if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

One of the two main clauses of the new covenant states:

I will write MY LAWS on their minds and place them on their hearts.
Paul states:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth rom 10:4

 

[Timothy416]

What denomination where you raised in that had this strict legalism? I went to a Pentecostal church after I came to know Christ.


I don't think people think it's wrong to not want to steal nor that Christians take offense with them living according to the desires of the Lord - I don't think that is the issue at all. The issue is being under the law for anything for any reason.

This does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that those in Christ operating from the law of Christ, from the law of love, law of faith, the law of the spirit of life in Christ - will think it's ok to steal now.

This shows a total lack of understanding of the new creation in Christ if people think this way when Christians say that we are not under the law of Moses anymore.

The wife was not bound to the husband in any respect after he died and it's the same principle with us in Christ that have died to the law. The end of the law for righteousness is a different thing as it pertains to works for righteousness.

The law of Moses is a manifestation of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which was in the garden. Do good - get good. Do bad - get bad. We are not to eat of that tree.

Only God can eat of that tree. We eat from the tree of life which is Christ Himself.

Again....when people see "law" all they can think about is the Old Covenant law of Moses. Law simply means instruction or teaching - God puts the laws of Christ in us in the New Covenant, the law of the spirit of life in Christ, the law of love, the law of faith.

These are the "laws" which God was taking about concerning the New Covenant. It's the law of Christ Himself in us. His nature is not to want to steal from people and that is our nature too as we grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.

Can you show me scripture where it states the christian has nothing to do with loving God
Can you show me where it states the christian has nothing to do with not committing murder, not stealing, not committing adultery etc

You are not arguing from a biblical viewpoint.
You can only be conscious of sin through the law.
Are you never conscious of sin?

John tells us if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

One of the two main clauses of the new covenant states:

I will write MY LAWS on their minds and place them on their hearts.
Paul states:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth rom 10:4

 

[Grace777x70]

We can't be left hanging here about what or rather Who is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ.

What is this new law that is written on our hearts seeing as we know it's not the ten commandments in the form given in the Law.

What is this New Covenant that Ezekiel is prophesying about that was to come and now is here manifested in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection?

What is the Law Written on Our Hearts?

Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:


“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)

What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:

• It is not the law of Moses. As we saw in the last post, if God wrote the Ten Commandments on our hearts then Jesus died for nothing.

• It is not a new and improved version of the law. It is not the new commands of Jesus or the New Testament. We cannot please God by keeping a new law any more than we could please him by keeping an old one.

• It is not the knowledge of right and wrong that was bestowed upon us – against the Lord’s wishes – by Adam.

So what is this law that the Lord writes on our hearts and minds and embeds in our very being?

It is Christ Himself.

Let’s look at three things the New Testament says about the new law in our hearts.

1. The law of love

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)

Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.”

But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.

How does it happen?

God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)

God abundantly pours his love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. the Spirit of Christ. Do you see the difference between the old and new?

• Under the old, the law was a rule for weak men to obey. Under the new, the Law is the Spirit of Christ given to us, loving us, and loving others through us.

• Under the old, you loved others because you feared punishment. But under the new, you love because a Lover lives in you and it is his nature to love.

• Under the old, you had to make an effort to obey. But under the new you have to make an effort to disobey. It’s a whole new way of life.

2. The law of the Spirit of life

It’s important that you understand the difference between the old law (a written code you can’t keep) and the new Law (Christ himself, living in you). Try and live by the old laws, as Paul did, and it make you miserable:

What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? (Rom 7:24)

Paul couldn’t keep the old law no matter how hard he tried. He needed a new law and that new law is a Who:

Who will rescue me…? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a)

Do you see? The old law is a what; the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new “law of the Spirit gives life” (Rom 8:2).

For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:6)

Who gives life? Not a set of rules, but the Spirit of Christ within you. The new law is a Who.

3. The perfect law of liberty

James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6).

What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.

The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.

But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)

Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals His righteousness.

“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in Him you are righteous and holy.

Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.

The Law written in our hearts is Jesus

Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them. This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).

The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus Himself.

How do you know He’s there? Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.

Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...on-our-hearts/

 

[Timothy416]

Here is a great article that speaks about what is written on our hearts now that we are in Christ. I like to use this website as it has at the bottom a place where you can ask questions and sometimes I learn from that area a lot.

The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)

“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”

Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:

1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?


2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.


3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.


4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).


5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).


6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7:1-6). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?


7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.


8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?


9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.


10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).


11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).


12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.


13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?


14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?


15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?


16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?


17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.

If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.

The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/...-commandments/

I wouldn't go to that website anymore if I was you. The law cannot condemn if you do not live under a law of righteousness.

Sin is inflamed by a law of righteousness, to refer to two

Clearly whoever wrote that doesn't understand the new covenant

 

[Grace777x70]

Can you show me scripture where it states the christian has nothing to do with loving God
Can you show me where it states the christian has nothing to do with not committing murder, not stealing, not committing adultery etc

You are not arguing from a biblical viewpoint.
You can only be conscious of sin through the law.
Are you never conscious of sin?

John tells us if we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

One of the two main clauses of the new covenant states:

I will write MY LAWS on their minds and place them on their hearts.
Paul states:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth rom 10:4

It's obvious that you are not understanding what I am saying....perhaps I am not articulating it good enough but I think this is going to be fruitless.

I'll just leave it at that and we have put down what we believed and we can leave it all in the Lord's hands. We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to reveal Christ Himself to us and yes we both love the Lord and desire to walk with Him.

Bless you brother!....