Helmet of "Hope of Salvation"

dcontroversal · Jan 2, 2017

Yeah it is a logical conclusion to a delusional fantasy and guaranteed win...something Satan would pull.....

God told me I am always right and everyone else is a fool and ignorant of truth..........

You will hear my CC chat name at the day of judgment when Jesus references what I taught in CC as gospel truth....blah,blah, blah......

He reminds me of the dude Jason007 who got me reprimanded for calling him out on his hypocrisy of NO SIN....and then he got banned.............

LaurenTM · Jan 2, 2017

I don't judge you

I judge what you say and the spirit behind the words

here you are asking God to hurt me in some way and you will deny that you are

you are a false prophet

I was lenient towards you, but now I see that you have evil intent in your desire to hurt me because I call you out

that is an evil spirit and not the Spirit of God

the Spirit of God GRIEVES over those who are lost and those who have strayed

the intent of your heart is to harm those who question your so called prophet calling...

'look at me...listen to me...I am special!...God has given me great authority'

it stinks and you are a fake

LaurenTM · Jan 2, 2017

no

that verse is not in context with anything but what it plainly says

the little voice in your head is lying to you

I will let you in on a little secret

HIDDEN PRIDE and FALSE HUMILITY are the key components to accepting the false teaching of demons who delight in giving false spiritual experiences and whispering in the ear of the delighted participant, that God has chosen them and they are special

this is actually a common experience with more sincere Christians than many would believe...

a lack of teaching and the false notion that the devil cannot harm a Christian is all the manure needed along with the fertile soil of ignorance, to create a garden of fake wonders and experiences that will keep an otherwise sincere Christian, rendered useless and often even harmful to those around them and especially to anyone (God help them and only those who recognize the deception should even attempt to help and then with several people) who attempts to 'help'

as you have already illustrated, you wish harm on another

that, is not God speaking through you

DiscipleDave · Jan 17, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Scriptures teach Faith and Works go hand in hand. Jesus Christ COMMANDED us believers to "LOVE ONE ANOTHER" and Brother that is nothing but WORKS. Name me one thing how you can Love Another, that is NOT considered Works? Jesus Our Lord and Savior plainly told us, if you Love ME, you will DO what I say. Brother know you not that the "DOING" is Works.
Those who have Faith ONLY and no works, is dead. This is something that Scriptures teaches as well.
Those who have Works ONLY and no faith, is likewise dead. This is something that Scriptures teaches as well.
Those who have BOTH Faith and Works, is alive unto God, because their Works back up the Faith that they claim to have.

Those who believe in Jesus yet do not do what he says are Liars, and they do not know the TRUTH.
Those who believe in Jesus and DO what He says "Love One Another" know the TRUTH, and these are they that will be SAVED at the last day, when Jesus opens the Book of Life and their name is found there.

Listen to all the fuss concerning the things that i say and teach, which is NOTHING MORE than to obey Jesus Christ, and to Love One Another. Do these sound like words of a false gospel? Nay, they are exactly what the TRUE Gospel of Christ teaches as well.

dcontroversal said:

Not only did God tell me that, it is also plainly written in all of the Scriptures. Anyone can believe in Jesus, even demons believe in Jesus. Believing is NOT enough, like this generation teaches, ignoring hundreds of verses which PLAINLY teach it is not enough. Works MUST be with your Faith. Do i teach that, or does Scriptures teach that also? It is plainly written that Faith without works is DEAD. Anyone can believe in Jesus, but those who LOVE HIM, will do what He says. That is also written.

dcontroversal said:

Jesus will not only reference me, but EVERY single person that God has sent to you, to try to get you to see and understand the TRUTH, which you reject every single time from all of them, because you hold on to a FAITH ONLY doctrine, believing that believing is enough, you hold on to that, because you do not desire or want to, or feel like you have to have WORKS. i mean why give to the poor if you don't have to, right? Why help the homeless if you are not required to? Why help that man across the street, if you don't have to? You continue to hold on to your belief ONLY, and NOT Love One Another, and every single person who told you that is wrong, will be referenced to you on that day. NOT just me alone.

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DiscipleDave

DiscipleDave · Jan 17, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Yes i understand. You believe God does not speak to people anymore.

Tell me, what kind of things would God tell a person if He were to speak to them?

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

And what if God really did tell me these things? What then? It is only evil and wicked if God did not tell me these things, and then i say them as if He did tell me these things. But again i ask you the question, What if God really did tell me these things, would you even believe it then? Or will you absolutely refuse to believe it is TRUE no matter if it is TRUE or not?

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DiscipleDave

DiscipleDave · Jan 17, 2017

dcontroversal said:

So you think God expects His children to become learned in order to grasp the TRUTH? That is what i hear you saying. You seem to thing that God expects a person to go to the Hebrew and Greek, in order to gain understanding of the Word of God. i say and teach to go to the Holy Ghost and learn the TRUTH, but you say go to dead languages to learn the TRUTH.
Don't you understand, if God wanted us to learn the Hebrew and Greek, He would have never allowed His Word to become English. We would have the Word of God as it was originally, and we would all be expected to learn the TRUTH by learning to read and understand Hebrew and Greek. But what did God do? He allowed the Word of God to be written so that it would be EASY for His children to understand the TRUTH of what He wants to reveal to us. But many of this generation want to revert back to that which God had allowed to be done away with.

Anyone can come to the TRUTH of God without EVER taking verses to the Hebrew or Greek, and that is a FACT. But i teach the TRUTH, if you want to learn the TRUTH, then seek the help from the Holy Ghost, NOT ancient texts, or original documents. Know you not that the Holy Ghost can teach you in 5 minutes what it would take a person years studying the Hebrew and/or Greek? It is the Holy Spirit of TRUTH that opens our eyes to the TRUTH to begin with.

Which is better?

A person (through his own will) that takes a verse to the Hebrew and Greek to try to understand the meaning of the verse, and then THINKS he knows the truth concerning that verse.

or

A person that asks in prayer (seeking help from God) what a particular verse means and a year later, the Holy Spirit of TRUTH reveals it to them, and then they KNOW what that verse means, nothing doubting.

You judge.

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DiscipleDave

DiscipleDave · Jan 17, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

And all those things are contrary to the Word of God. This is why you try the Spirits, NOT through your own knowledge of what you THINK the TRUTH is, but try the Spirits through the Word of God. If anyone says God told them a thing, and that thing is contrary to Scriptures, than that thing is NOT from God but from satan, no matter how loudly the proclaim "God told me".

i have challenged over and over again to most everyone here, to find anything that i have said that is contrary to Scriptures. But not one verse has been set forth, why? Because NOTHING i teach, that i testify comes from God, is contrary to ANY Scriptures, it is only contrary to the False TRUTHS that this generation holds on to, is the reason is am said to be false, to be fake, to be teaching a false Gospel, and so forth. Yet NONE of what i teach is contrary to ANY SCRIPTURES, only contrary to the truths that this generation holds on to.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

PeterJens · Jan 17, 2017

We are told to test the spirit of prophesy.

Most is fairly simple to say from God or not.

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 John 4:1

If someone brings a message condemning sin and encouraging righteousness,
amen, the Lord has spoken.

A lot of people hate the message so just want to attack the messenger.
Just look at how people behave towards teachers and the police.

It is no different here.

DiscipleDave · Jan 17, 2017

dcontroversal said:

satan would teach that sinning is OK, satan would teach that Faith ONLY is enough, satan would teach things contrary to Scriptures, satan would teach to ignore, make void, or interpret away many verses in Scriptures. These are things satan would teach.

dcontroversal said:

Whoever teaches that is devoid of the TRUTH.

If i say something that comes from me, it is most assuredly wrong. i am but a filthy rag, living in a body that desires to sin all the time. my mind and thinking is corruptible, and easily persuaded because it is flesh living in the world that satan is the god of. i am nobody, i am such a nobody in fact that i do not even capitalize anything that is referring to me. All my "I"s and "Me"s and "My"s and what have you, i am not worthy enough to even capitalize them, as it is referring to me or myself. i have said before i have probably sinned more than every one on this board combined. i am but dung.

But, what He has indeed told me is TRUE. And what He has told me is RIGHT. What He has told me does not contradict ANY verse in Scriptures. So what i teach, if it comes from Him, is indeed RIGHT and not wrong, because it comes from God, NOT from pathetic of a person me.

So if you think it is all about me being RIGHT and everyone else Wrong, then you do not understand nor know the TRUTH concerning that matter.

dcontroversal said:

Not only me, but every single person who has told you the TRUTH, and you refuse to hear it, will be brought up to you on that day.

dcontroversal said:

Let me understand this, you called out a person because he was teaching to STOP OBEYING satan?

Now it is evident why you don't like me much, because i teach to ONLY obey Jesus Christ, and i also teach to STOP OBEYING satan. Which is EXACTLY what Scriptures teach as well in many, many places.

Here are but a few, which the Word of God specifically teaches to STOP SINNING.

1Co_15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Rom_6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Joh_5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. (Jesus specifically teaches to sin no more, would you call Him out to?)

Joh_8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil. (Tell me, is sin evil or good?)

1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:(Tell me, is sin (obeying satan) walking in darkness or walking in light?)

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. (If you knowingly and willingly commit sin, has the wicked on touched you?)

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye (Christians) sin not. And if any man sin (back slider), we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: (Isn't that exactly what this generation teaches, that it is impossible to cease from sin? Yes, it does, and they are wrong)

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. (Now you have no excuses for your continued sinning, they are not so strong that you can't handle them, and Jesus always allows a path out of them, So then if you can handle them, and there is a path out of them, WHY are you still doing them? Because you LOVE to do it, and are unwilling to cease from them, because you believe a false doctrine that teaches you will still go to Heaven, even though you continue to live in sins, is why you don't cease from them. i mean if you actually thought they would prevent you from going to Heaven, that would mean you would have to cease from doing them, and we can't have that can we?)

Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth (Got SAVED), there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Doesn't this generation teach that Jesus Sacrifice is enough. This verse plainly teaches when the sacrifice will cease)

These are but a few. Woe to this generation, for i am certain, this generation will have an interpretation for each one of those verses to change what they plainly say to mean what they will agree with. Woe to them indeed.

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DiscipleDave

Grace777x70 · Jan 17, 2017

Here is a scripture that says that if anyone who has ever sinned against God will be blotted out of the book. This means that all of us have been blotted out of God's book for who has not ever sinned? No one.

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

This is a true statement but it is not the ultimate statement of truth because what Christ did on the cross and resurrection trumps this truth.

Works-based salvationists mindsets will always stumble at the preaching of Christ and His finished work of salvation for us.

They will read with Old Covenant eyes and interpret scriptures through this lens - Paul said with the reading of Moses there is a veil over the eyes and Christ has become a stumbling block to them and they are blinded to the truths of Christ finished work for us.

The Old Covenant mindset was - "you do in order to receive". The New Covenant is "Believe and receive all that Christ has already done by grace through faith in Him".

Then His life will flow in and through us to a hurt and dying world. His fruit is being manifested in our lives as we depend totally on His grace through faith in Him and what he has already done for us. Without Him we can do nothing. He is our life.

Remember - everything in the scriptures is truly stated but not everything is a statement of ultimate truth. We need to filter all scripture through the clear scriptures of the salvation that is in Christ because of His grace.

A failure to do this and we create a works-based religion that in effect denies the very power of God to manifest the exchanged life we have in the new creation which is in Christ.

The way we started the Christian life - is the exact same way we walk it out - all by His grace through faith in what He ahs done. Col. 2:6 & Eph. 2:8-10

PeterJens · Jan 17, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

This bit of scripture is the sin of the golden calf and those who fell away by
worshipping it. It demonstrates a phrase spoken in a specific context cannot
be taken out and applied generally. This was a state of true rebellion against
the King in full knowledge of His nature and judgement, yet still they did it
and many thousands died.

So a big warning is, beware to learn of God and then turn against His word.

Judgement will fall, no matter how safe you think you are.

DiscipleDave · Jan 17, 2017

LaurenTM said:

In one sentence you say that you don't judge me, but the next you say you do judge me.

LaurenTM said:

of coarse i will deny that, if i were to agree to that then i would be a liar, and no liar will enter into Heaven. Please reread what i have said and stop putting words there that are not there. i plainly said may you be judged the same way you have judged me. If then you have judged me righteously then you shall be judged righteously, if you have judged me falsely then you will be judged the same way. This is all i have said, i have never wished you harm at all, or in any way whatsoever. i love you. Now if you yourself thinks that you have indeed judged me falsely, then yes i could see how you would THINK i want to harm you. But i do not want to harm anyone at all. i have been punched in the face with a fist of a guy who did not like what i was teaching, and i looked at him, and said "i forgive you" and stood there with hands down to let him continue to hurt me if he so desired to do so. i would never hurt anyone at all, even those who hate me, and hurt me. i am a servant of Jesus Christ, i LOVE everyone, and would never hurt a soul, EVER.

LaurenTM said:

i hear you LaurenTM saying and thinking that, but where is your Scriptural back up? Have you not one Scriptures that proves anything that i have said to be contrary to Scriptures, not one? Really? How then did you base YOUR assumption that i am a false prophet? Because it certainly is not through the Word of God.

LaurenTM said:

If you had the Spirit of Truth in you, would you not know that i Love you, and would not hurt you? Who is telling you that i want to hurt you? Is that not in your own mind?

LaurenTM said:

Truth, Anyone who desires to hurt another person, is not of God. The issue here is, you think that is what i desire to do, you could not be farther from the TRUTH.

LaurenTM said:

Agreed.

LaurenTM said:

Scriptures teach you will know what is in a persons heart by their fruits. You again have judged me, NOT according to my fruits, but according to your own judgement against me. You judge that i desire to harm those who disagree with me, which i have not shown any fruits whatsoever that would indicate that is TRUE. It is in your mind that is TRUE, because you have judged me in your mind already that i am false. Even though i have said nothing at all, nor revealed any fruits whatsoever that would reveal to you that i am false. You deem me to be false, because that is what YOU believe to be TRUE. Not that you have any Scriptural proof of that, it is merely what you believe. Therefore you judge me, according to your own thinking. Now is it evil for me to say "May you be judged the way you judge me?" If you Judge me correctly then you shall be judged correctly, yes?

LaurenTM said:

lol, i have not said any of these things concerning myself. If you think i have then show where i have done that evil thing. Where in this thread or any thread have i done this? You won't be able to show one thread where i have done this, why? because i have not done that anywhere at all. IF then you think i have said or believe "Look at me"..."Listen to me"... "I am special" when i have not said or even implied that anywhere at all, how is that not in your own head, in your own thinking, in your own judgement against me. YOU have judged me as thinking those things, which i have never do, nor do i think any of those things, but you Judge me as thinking those things, WHY? i will tell you why, because you have it in your head that i am a false prophet, therefore i MUST be thinking those things, to justify your own thoughts against me. What is that to me what you think of me? i know who i am. Just because you don't believe, doesn't change who i am in the Lord.

LaurenTM said:

i am a fake according to YOU, but not according to Scriptures.

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DiscipleDave

DiscipleDave · Jan 17, 2017

LaurenTM said:

That is TRUE, but what has that got to do with me?

LaurenTM said:

Agreed, what has that to do with me?

LaurenTM said:

That is what you have assumed, not something that i have illustrated.

LaurenTM said:

i would agree, if what you assume was True, but it is not True.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

20 · Jan 22, 2017

Why is the hope? and another question Where is the hope coming from? The next answers by the Paul in (KJV) Romans5;1-5 1.Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;2. By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3.And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also; knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4.And patience,experience; and experience, hope; 5.And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

dcontroversal · Jan 22, 2017

DiscipleDave said:

Scriptures teach Faith and Works go hand in hand. Jesus Christ COMMANDED us believers to "LOVE ONE ANOTHER" and Brother that is nothing but WORKS. Name me one thing how you can Love Another, that is NOT considered Works? Jesus Our Lord and Savior plainly told us, if you Love ME, you will DO what I say. Brother know you not that the "DOING" is Works.
Those who have Faith ONLY and no works, is dead. This is something that Scriptures teaches as well.
Those who have Works ONLY and no faith, is likewise dead. This is something that Scriptures teaches as well.
Those who have BOTH Faith and Works, is alive unto God, because their Works back up the Faith that they claim to have.

Those who believe in Jesus yet do not do what he says are Liars, and they do not know the TRUTH.
Those who believe in Jesus and DO what He says "Love One Another" know the TRUTH, and these are they that will be SAVED at the last day, when Jesus opens the Book of Life and their name is found there.

Listen to all the fuss concerning the things that i say and teach, which is NOTHING MORE than to obey Jesus Christ, and to Love One Another. Do these sound like words of a false gospel? Nay, they are exactly what the TRUE Gospel of Christ teaches as well.

Not only did God tell me that, it is also plainly written in all of the Scriptures. Anyone can believe in Jesus, even demons believe in Jesus. Believing is NOT enough, like this generation teaches, ignoring hundreds of verses which PLAINLY teach it is not enough. Works MUST be with your Faith. Do i teach that, or does Scriptures teach that also? It is plainly written that Faith without works is DEAD. Anyone can believe in Jesus, but those who LOVE HIM, will do what He says. That is also written.

Jesus will not only reference me, but EVERY single person that God has sent to you, to try to get you to see and understand the TRUTH, which you reject every single time from all of them, because you hold on to a FAITH ONLY doctrine, believing that believing is enough, you hold on to that, because you do not desire or want to, or feel like you have to have WORKS. i mean why give to the poor if you don't have to, right? Why help the homeless if you are not required to? Why help that man across the street, if you don't have to? You continue to hold on to your belief ONLY, and NOT Love One Another, and every single person who told you that is wrong, will be referenced to you on that day. NOT just me alone.

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DiscipleDave

I can summate all the above under the banner of NOT HARDLY...........and the bolded....I remember Jesus opening the books...5 of the law and one of life....show two sets of verses in context that teach Jesus referencing anyone other that the word of GOD on the day of judgment...

Grandpa · Jan 22, 2017

dcontroversal said:

The Lord doesn't need to reference a bunch of people who think they are still under the Law.

He Has The Law Itself to condemn with, if He so chooses.

But the Bible, Gods Own Word, says that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. And those who are in Christ Jesus are no longer under the law but under Grace. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the Law of Sin and Death.

Ephesians 2 plainly states that Salvation is not from our own work. It is the work of God. The Only way for false prophets to come in and try to condemn people is based on works of the law. It is not from Christ. I highly doubt they realize it.

PeterJens · Jan 22, 2017

Grandpa said:

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,..... who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:1,4

We are slaves to righteousness, under the law of Christ, so it is strange how
condemnation and rejection of a normal pure, holy christian life should look
like. The sad thing is so many do not know what walking in Christs love with
an open heart actually looks like.

Grandpa · Jan 23, 2017

PeterJens said:

It shouldn't be strange. The holy christian life looks like the law. The law is the ministry of death and condemnation.

So when you point people to what the holy christian life looks like and you emphasize works you are encouraging working at the law.

Unless you tell people about Christ and the work He does in the Christian Life. But most people who emphasize works don't understand the work Christ does in the life of a Christian. Which is why they don't tell about it.

Galatians 3:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?[/FONT]

Grace777x70 · Jan 23, 2017

Grandpa said:

Amen...they are actually promoting the very thing that brings death to people instead of trusting in what Christ has already done by grace through faith which brings life. That is the deception of religion.

It has the "appearance" of good but it denies the power of God to effect a real change in us that manifests the exchanged life that is in us in Christ.

Religion tries to "mimic" the Christian life by dictating the fruit that they what to see and conformity to rules but when we preach the true gospel of the grace of Christ - we will experience the power of God for the manifestation of true life and salvation.

Religion always gets backwards how the gospel and the life of Christ is being manifested in and through us. They claim "we need to do - in order to receive" - which is the Old Covenant mindset - but the New Covenant says "Believe in what Christ has already done and you will receive".

PeterJens · Jan 23, 2017

Grandpa said:

It sounds like you are saying I am preaching law, condemnation and death.

I am preaching an open heart, walking in Christs love and knowing victory.

I had hoped you would understand all 3 things. It suggests to me you do not.
Would you like me to explain what I mean?

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