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drogovska

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I have been listening to the messages by Rick Warren during the 40 day of purpose thing online.

In one of his talks, he keeps using the phrase, "God loves you SOOO MUCH . . . "

And it occurred to me, that I have been believing in a myth. I realized for the first time in my life, that God really does not love me.

I am in a crisis of faith. All the evidence tells me that God, if there is one, cannot be a personal God, and many of the claims about God and his character cannot be true.

I just completed day 12 of this series. I had to stop for a while, because I just couldn't listen to all the lies. I told a friend I would complete the series, so I have resumed.

I take away two things from this--1. God does not love me 2. There is no purpose to my life.
 

maxwel

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I have been listening to the messages by Rick Warren during the 40 day of purpose thing online.

In one of his talks, he keeps using the phrase, "God loves you SOOO MUCH . . . "

And it occurred to me, that I have been believing in a myth. I realized for the first time in my life, that God really does not love me.

I am in a crisis of faith. All the evidence tells me that God, if there is one, cannot be a personal God, and many of the claims about God and his character cannot be true.

I just completed day 12 of this series. I had to stop for a while, because I just couldn't listen to all the lies. I told a friend I would complete the series, so I have resumed.

I take away two things from this--1. God does not love me 2. There is no purpose to my life.


You joined this forum just to tell us God doesn't love you, and there's no purpose to your life?
 

blue_ladybug

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Stop listening to preachers and false teachers. START listening to what the bible says. God DOES love you and He DOES have a purpose for your life.. :)
 
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drogovska

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While Rick Warren, in his defense, is no heretic, and offers true orthodox Christianity. However, his material is making me face the truth--that God does not love us. The evidences is just not there, but actually proves the opposite.

There is no evidence that God loves us on a personal level, or that God answers prayer, or helps us when it really counts.

I am continuing to listen, hoping that I will find something that will change my mind, but the more I listen to him, the more I am convinced that his claims, which are mainstream evangelical Christianity, are preposterous and false.
 
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While Rick Warren, in his defense, is no heretic, and offers true orthodox Christianity. However, his material is making me face the truth--that God does not love us. The evidences is just not there, but actually proves the opposite.

There is no evidence that God loves us on a personal level, or that God answers prayer, or helps us when it really counts.

I am continuing to listen, hoping that I will find something that will change my mind, but the more I listen to him, the more I am convinced that his claims, which are mainstream evangelical Christianity, are preposterous and false.
Just like both sides of the political fence have done for a year, you can claim anything you wish..... and that is your right. But, your words might carry some weight if, after your claim, you said "because", and actually showed why God doesn't love you.
 

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I have been listening to the messages by Rick Warren during the 40 day of purpose thing online.

In one of his talks, he keeps using the phrase, "God loves you SOOO MUCH . . . "

And it occurred to me, that I have been believing in a myth. I realized for the first time in my life, that God really does not love me.

I am in a crisis of faith. All the evidence tells me that God, if there is one, cannot be a personal God, and many of the claims about God and his character cannot be true.

I just completed day 12 of this series. I had to stop for a while, because I just couldn't listen to all the lies. I told a friend I would complete the series, so I have resumed.

I take away two things from this--1. God does not love me 2. There is no purpose to my life.
***** I felt that way when I first got saved------ I decided to walk by faith----- feelings will come later-----your life has a purpose---- you will find it---- keep seeking God...
 
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drogovska

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I will spare you the pain of all the incidents of rage in my childhood, as a child of what I now believe were alcoholics. I will not go into detail about the bullying, the 14 different neighborhoods by age 15, the confusion of the tornado, the fire, the beatings.

I turned my life over to Christ around age 14, and joined the church, got baptized. I wanted to become a minister, but I had to drop out of school because of depression. I went to church, memorized whole chapters of the Bible, went to psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, nothing worked. I was hospitalized for while.

I had a brief reprieve from the depression and thought that perhaps God was smiling on me, and perhaps, at age 33, I could marry and have a normal life. I was so sure that this woman was the one God had for me. She turned out to be a spending addict, and would not take care of our child.

We prayed for a healthy child. We got something else. We prayed for a diagnosis. No one could give us one. We prayed for any kind of help with him. We got none. He couldn't function in school He was bullied in the neighborhood. We prayed for his safety. He was sexually assaulted by an older boy. We prayed for him all through his teen years. He could not hold a job. He would get into terrible tantrums and physical altercations.

He finally got disability. He still could not have any dignity, and we prayed for him daily. He married a woman he met in the mental hospital. It was a horrible marriage, and she was physically violent to him, and I think he returned the favor. He is said to have a form of schizophrenia now. He is in jail for one of his temper tantrums, and his wife's guardian has changed the locks and moved his stuff out.

If I get him out of jail, he is homeless in the winter time. Every step of the way he prayed, just like I prayed as a child form the rage of my parents to stop. I can't do this any more. If a father loves his children, he HELPS THEM, he GUIDES THEM, he has a CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

If God loved me, he would help my son, and all the parents who pray for their mentally ill children would get some help for the children. If God loved my son, he would help.

If God loved his children, he would protect them. 90,000 Christians were killed for their faith in 2016. God watched and did nothing, said nothing. When my son was being sexually assaulted, God watched and said nothing, did nothing.

All my life, there has not been a correlation with prayer and receiving anything. If you get an outcome you were seeking, you say your prayer is answered, if you don't, then you make excuses like, "well we don't understand His plan."

I am finished with trusting God on a personal level. Either God is able to help, but unwilling, or he is willing but powerless to help.

Take your pick. If the former, then God is a liar and pretty much useless. If the latter, then I must learn that God is principle, not a personality. Either way, God does not involve himself in my life. He is not intervening on behalf of my son. He is not helping me at all. My whole life I have been looking to God and doing so in vain. Either God is the ultimate deadbeat dad, or God is just a principle or universal law.

I have done nothing but suffer all my life, and now I get to watch my child suffer. God watches, does nothing, says nothing. If it walks like a duck and acts like a duck, then it probably is. In this case an entity that says nothing and does nothing resembles very much an imaginary friend.

It hurts, but it is time for me to grow up and let go of childhood myths.
 
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I will spare you the pain of all the incidents of rage in my childhood, as a child of what I now believe were alcoholics. I will not go into detail about the bullying, the 14 different neighborhoods by age 15, the confusion of the tornado, the fire, the beatings.

I turned my life over to Christ around age 14, and joined the church, got baptized. I wanted to become a minister, but I had to drop out of school because of depression. I went to church, memorized whole chapters of the Bible, went to psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, nothing worked. I was hospitalized for while.

I had a brief reprieve from the depression and thought that perhaps God was smiling on me, and perhaps, at age 33, I could marry and have a normal life. I was so sure that this woman was the one God had for me. She turned out to be a spending addict, and would not take care of our child.

We prayed for a healthy child. We got something else. We prayed for a diagnosis. No one could give us one. We prayed for any kind of help with him. We got none. He couldn't function in school He was bullied in the neighborhood. We prayed for his safety. He was sexually assaulted by an older boy. We prayed for him all through his teen years. He could not hold a job. He would get into terrible tantrums and physical altercations.

He finally got disability. He still could not have any dignity, and we prayed for him daily. He married a woman he met in the mental hospital. It was a horrible marriage, and she was physically violent to him, and I think he returned the favor. He is said to have a form of schizophrenia now. He is in jail for one of his temper tantrums, and his wife's guardian has changed the locks and moved his stuff out.

If I get him out of jail, he is homeless in the winter time. Every step of the way he prayed, just like I prayed as a child form the rage of my parents to stop. I can't do this any more. If a father loves his children, he HELPS THEM, he GUIDES THEM, he has a CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

If God loved me, he would help my son, and all the parents who pray for their mentally ill children would get some help for the children. If God loved my son, he would help.

If God loved his children, he would protect them. 90,000 Christians were killed for their faith in 2016. God watched and did nothing, said nothing. When my son was being sexually assaulted, God watched and said nothing, did nothing.

All my life, there has not been a correlation with prayer and receiving anything. If you get an outcome you were seeking, you say your prayer is answered, if you don't, then you make excuses like, "well we don't understand His plan."

I am finished with trusting God on a personal level. Either God is able to help, but unwilling, or he is willing but powerless to help.

Take your pick. If the former, then God is a liar and pretty much useless. If the latter, then I must learn that God is principle, not a personality. Either way, God does not involve himself in my life. He is not intervening on behalf of my son. He is not helping me at all. My whole life I have been looking to God and doing so in vain. Either God is the ultimate deadbeat dad, or God is just a principle or universal law.

I have done nothing but suffer all my life, and now I get to watch my child suffer. God watches, does nothing, says nothing. If it walks like a duck and acts like a duck, then it probably is. In this case an entity that says nothing and does nothing resembles very much an imaginary friend.

It hurts, but it is time for me to grow up and let go of childhood myths.
Did God love His own Son?
Which did Jesus promise we would have from the world if we chose to follow Him, roses, or thorns?
What did Jesus tell His disciples was going to happen to them after He left?

 

AngelFrog

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#9
I have been listening to the messages by Rick Warren during the 40 day of purpose thing online.

In one of his talks, he keeps using the phrase, "God loves you SOOO MUCH . . . "

And it occurred to me, that I have been believing in a myth. I realized for the first time in my life, that God really does not love me.

I am in a crisis of faith. All the evidence tells me that God, if there is one, cannot be a personal God, and many of the claims about God and his character cannot be true.

I just completed day 12 of this series. I had to stop for a while, because I just couldn't listen to all the lies. I told a friend I would complete the series, so I have resumed.

I take away two things from this--1. God does not love me 2. There is no purpose to my life.
Stop listening to Rick Warren first of all. He's an apostate.

Rick Warren manufactured the blasphemy known as Chrislam. A blend of Christianity and Islam.

[h=1]Rick Warren's False Teachings[/h][h=2]_____________________________Flaws in "Purpose Driven Life"[/h]
 
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I have been listening to the messages by Rick Warren during the 40 day of purpose thing online.

In one of his talks, he keeps using the phrase, "God loves you SOOO MUCH . . . "

And it occurred to me, that I have been believing in a myth. I realized for the first time in my life, that God really does not love me.

I am in a crisis of faith. All the evidence tells me that God, if there is one, cannot be a personal God, and many of the claims about God and his character cannot be true.

I just completed day 12 of this series. I had to stop for a while, because I just couldn't listen to all the lies. I told a friend I would complete the series, so I have resumed.

I take away two things from this--1. God does not love me 2. There is no purpose to my life.
Hi Drogovska
I usually don't reply to threads like this because the matter is very personal and only you know what you have suffered in life; however, I'm here because I'm very unhappy with the answers you've received.

First of all, I think you might be here looking for some answers from other Christians. I can't know for sure why you are here, but I have to assume it's for this reason.

There are many preachers who would want us to believe that God loves us and that He will answer our prayers if prayed in faith and that all will be OK.

There is nothing further from the truth.

First of all, there are two ways of seeing God. I can't remember the terms and I can't look it up right now. You could read about this online if you wish.

1. God created everything and is personally involved in our lives and to some extent guides us and allows evil to happen.

2. God created everthing and then left to go on about His business and left us to battle it out on our own.

Christianity believes in the first way. Jesus is a person that we could know. He claimed to be God. If he WAS God, then we can surely say that God is a personal God who cares about us and wishes the best for us.

Problem: Then why do we have to suffer?
And who said we don't? Jesus Himself said that if we want to follow Him, we have to pick up our cross EVERY DAY. That means that there are crosses to be picked up. He does NOT take the crosses away, but helps us - spiritually - to carry them. How? By knowing in our heart that our life is not futile, that we have a purpose to be here and that we will be with Him one day for all of eternity.

So what is our purpose? Our purpose is to do God's will. To be his hands and His feet. He Himself cannot be here, so it's up to us to do what He would do. Maybe it's doing our job at work to the best of our ability and to His glory. Maybe it's to be the best father or mother we can. Maybe it's to help the poor, God will send needs your way - it's up to you to recognize them and to fulfill His will for your life.

Did you read Mathew 5? God wants your life to be transformed so you could do HIS will. HE is NOT here to do YOUR will. Many preachers would have us believe this. As if God is a type of Santa Clause. Just ask Him and He'll do everything YOU want.

Unfortunately, this is not how it is. We're here, in the world system, and we will be here till our death. For some un known reason, and I do repeat UNKNOWN, there is evil all around us. While we are in THIS system, we will be affected by this evil.

It's up to us to understand that there is a God (otherwise you're going to have to explain to me how everything came into existance) and there is an evil one who stirs up the evil in both man and nature.

It's up to us to decide which one we wish to serve and then serve Him, be it God or satan. It's one or the other, no middle ground.

Decide which YOU want to serve and then do it. I hope it's God. I hope you don't let the evil keep you away. I hope you find comfort in knowing that God DOES love you and sent His only begotten Son to save your soul, but that there is a world system going on and He will NOT do miracles every nanosecond so that our life will be perfect.

It's a decision.
Decide.

Fran
 
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drogovska

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My son is not the Messiah. Your point makes my point. Good news, my disciples--after I die, you will all be beaten, tortured, and killed. After you are all dead, the world will be in chaos, no peace, no order, and Islam will appear, and communism, and will kill millions of you. You should look forward to all this. It will be so rewarding.

My son is mentally ill. He is not one of the twelve. If God loved us, he would not put us in the situation where we will be slaughtered like sheep, burned alive, drowned in cages, skinned alive, buried alive, and crucified. What kind of father lets this happen to his children?

I have reached my breaking point with all this "walk by faith" stuff. God is not there when you need him, and there is no reward for doing what you think he wants of you.
 
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drogovska

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Every nanosecond? How about NONE AT ALL, EVER. I am changing my view to number 2 on your list. That is the only thing that makes sense. I didn't ask him to send his son to die. If he loves me, he doesn't need anyone to die. He can just say, "I forgive you." Done. Finished, complete.

The gospel is a confusing thing. First, in order to appreciate the good news, you must convince people they are going to hell. Unless you believe this, then the other news won't mean much. Then you tell them, "but there is a way out of hell."

This is just nonsense. It is like the islanders in the old movies, where you throw a virgin in the volcano. If God loves us so much, he doesn't need someone to die. He can just forgive.

God makes a race of humans, knowing that they are going to sin, and then punishes them FOREVER. If that is your story, then what a monster God must be.

God has not showed any indication that he loves me, or anyone else for that matter. No, I must explore you option no 2
 
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My son is not the Messiah. Your point makes my point. Good news, my disciples--after I die, you will all be beaten, tortured, and killed. After you are all dead, the world will be in chaos, no peace, no order, and Islam will appear, and communism, and will kill millions of you. You should look forward to all this. It will be so rewarding.

My son is mentally ill. He is not one of the twelve. If God loved us, he would not put us in the situation where we will be slaughtered like sheep, burned alive, drowned in cages, skinned alive, buried alive, and crucified. What kind of father lets this happen to his children?

I have reached my breaking point with all this "walk by faith" stuff. God is not there when you need him, and there is no reward for doing what you think he wants of you.
I don't mean to sound like I am saying to casually quip, "walk by faith." I am saying not to expect anything more than we are promised. Can we really come down on a guy who deliberately came here to be put to death for us, and told us that we could make the choice to follow Him, or not.... but, that if we did decide on Him, it was likely we would have to accept that we might end up with the same fate He suffered?

We are the ones (not anything He ever said) who have decided He has to shield and shelter us from exactly what He told us we might have to endure.
 
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drogovska

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What is it that he says that is so erroneous? He sounds like every other fundamentalist pastor I have listened to over the last 45 years.
 
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drogovska

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Anyway you look at it, those promises you speak of are lies. God does not follow any kind of pattern, and fulfills no promises. If you don't experience them, then we use the copout, "well I guess I am not holy enough." There are no promises, just a bunch of wishful thinking by ancient writers.
 
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However, his material is making me face the truth--that God does not love us. The evidences is just not there, but actually proves the opposite.
No! I was not informed...we're in Hell now? that's what it means to be unloved by God. God shows mercy to us here--and yes, love. Why would he show us mercy if He did not love us? Look AROUND you. This lovely, designed-to-fit-us earth and universe is a beautiful sign of His love. Christ dying on the cross for us is an even bigger sign of the love He has shown us.
 

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Anyway you look at it, those promises you speak of are lies. God does not follow any kind of pattern, and fulfills no promises. If you don't experience them, then we use the copout, "well I guess I am not holy enough." There are no promises, just a bunch of wishful thinking by ancient writers.
So soon you break the terms and conditions you agreed to keep when you signed up to this site. Because of that, you will not last long here. Have I even said hello to you? No matter now. I shall say my goodbyes.
 
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What is it that he says that is so erroneous? He sounds like every other fundamentalist pastor I have listened to over the last 45 years.
Hey.
Don't listen to fundamentalist preachers.

How about listening to God? Why is it called a personal relationship? Because HE wants to TALK TO YOU. Listen to God, not to a man.

Every man you listen to will tell you something different. Let's say it IS number 2 on my list. SO WHAT?
We still will end up dead one day.
We still have to decide about our soul's future.
We still should want to be with God and not the other one.

Did you ever consider dualism? How about not listening to ANYBODY, not even me, and just start wondering on your own what this is all about?

That might work better for you.
God is not here to answer to YOU.
You are here to answer to HIM.

If you decide you don't wish to, then OK. You could decide to glorify the other one, the evil one, but you WILL be obeying and glorifying one of them. This is for sure. All we see around us didn't come out of nothing. SOME THING OR SOME ONE created it. Be sure to be on the side of THAT BEING.

Fran
 
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Anyway you look at it, those promises you speak of are lies. God does not follow any kind of pattern, and fulfills no promises. If you don't experience them, then we use the copout, "well I guess I am not holy enough." There are no promises, just a bunch of wishful thinking by ancient writers.
There IS a pattern to the universe. How do you think MATH works if there were no pattern? Ask any scientist if the universe has laws or if it's run randomly. It has LAWS. Who do you suppose made them up??

And what promises? Stop asking what God could do for you and start asking what YOU could do for God. It would work much better for you. If you're in Christianity only for what YOU could get out of it, maybe you're in the wrong place.

Holy enough?

WHO IS HOLY ENOUGH? Is this Warren character holy enough that he could teach you??
ONLY OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT. No one else.

STOP listening to Warren. Read your bible and get to know GOD instead of Mr. Warren or all those other fundamentalist preachers you keep listening to that make many promises to you. They are NOT the promises God made.
Jesus said to be happy because He overcame the world. Tell me in your own words what that means.
What did Jesus overcome if everything and everyone is as miserable as they were 2,000 years ago?

Fran