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Do any of you nay sayers have a idea how dinosaurs came to be?
Do you doubters really believe in evolution and that dinosaurs were here millions of years ago?
Start to use the bible as the basis of everything and you will begin to connect the dots here.
Until then, your going to be lost.
Do you doubters really believe in evolution and that dinosaurs were here millions of years ago?
Start to use the bible as the basis of everything and you will begin to connect the dots here.
Until then, your going to be lost.
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If I remember correctly, the word translated 'giants' in the KJV, influenced by the Greek translation, actually meant 'fallen ones.' And there were 'fallen ones' referred to after the flood. Maybe the word was translated as 'giants' because the groups descended from the Nephilim were giants later in the Bible.
If giants only get giant after they are born, then a normal-sized human woman might be able to bear them.
If giants only get giant after they are born, then a normal-sized human woman might be able to bear them.
God has designed two kind of sons of God, two different creations .One created in His image having the ability to procreate as those of the flesh (dna) and messengers as spirits without the rudiments of this world.(no dna)
The angels are not subject to salvation. The commandment "ye must be born again "does not apply to them
Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Joh 3:6
Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
No multiplying of lying spirits (1/3 of all the angels that fell.)
Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine. Mathew 22:28
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
No seed of angels.
The angels are not subject to salvation. The commandment "ye must be born again "does not apply to them
Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Joh 3:6
Genesis 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
No multiplying of lying spirits (1/3 of all the angels that fell.)
Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine. Mathew 22:28
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
No seed of angels.
Ok, here is what little bit I know. The word Nephilim is kind of a mystery word, however what it means in the first of the bible can be discovered because the same word is used to describe the giants later on. We know they were giants because one had a 13X6 bed and the soldiers complained because they felt like grasshoppers beside them. So the original word Nephilim did mean giants...I just wonder where they came from? Definitely not from angels because we have a record that their fathers were other giants not angels.
samuel23,
The word translated 'giants' in Genesis 6 is Nephilim. It is possible that some of the Nephilim were giants. I don't think we can say for certain that all Nephilim were giants are that all giants were Nephilim.
Nowadays, a normal-sized person could have a child with a pituitary gland problem who becomes a giant.
The word translated 'giants' in Genesis 6 is Nephilim. It is possible that some of the Nephilim were giants. I don't think we can say for certain that all Nephilim were giants are that all giants were Nephilim.
Nowadays, a normal-sized person could have a child with a pituitary gland problem who becomes a giant.
It doesn't say that it happened all at once- in one pregnancy. The babies that got bigger would be both male and female- which could produce even bigger babies, and those babies even bigger babies than they were.
The sons of God were human not angels. Christians are sons and daughters of God. God's people, not angels, are His children. To prove this, look at the geneology- which says "...and Seth the son of Adam, and Adam the son of God."
The sons of God were human not angels. Christians are sons and daughters of God. God's people, not angels, are His children. To prove this, look at the geneology- which says "...and Seth the son of Adam, and Adam the son of God."
J
the sethite theory was unknown until 400 - 500 AD. before that it was always believed Gen 6 was speaking of fallen angels reproducing with mankind.
Peter and Jude agree as well as early church fathers such as Irenaeus and Justin Martyr, early Jewish leaders such as Josephus, and Philo.
angels and humans were to hard to explain, church leaders didnt like looking like idiots when questioned about it so they created an easy to explain, much more rational theory.
Peter and Jude agree as well as early church fathers such as Irenaeus and Justin Martyr, early Jewish leaders such as Josephus, and Philo.
angels and humans were to hard to explain, church leaders didnt like looking like idiots when questioned about it so they created an easy to explain, much more rational theory.
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I admit I didn't read all of the posts so apologies ahead of time for redundancy. The same term for sons of god in Genesis 6 is the same term used in Job when the sons of God presented themselves before the Lord. Besides that, angel just means messenger. It does not imply spiritual. Many instances of humanoid messengers of normal size interacted with men. They ate with Abraham and visited Lot, met with Joshua, Mary and the disciples.
There are giant ligers that exist. They are the offspring of a lion and a tiger. Genetically the genes that cause the offspring to grow are not the same as the one that cause them to stop growing. The male possesses one and the female, the other. It may be switched in different species. So if the father and the mother both possess the growth gene then neither possess the gene to stop. It just keeps growing and growing.
Everybody seems to conclude that every time elohiym is used in the Old Testament, it refers to Yhovah. Elohiym translates to gods. The passage correctly maybe translated as
1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of the gods saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And Yhovah said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of the gods came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.5And Yhovah saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually. 6And it repented Yhovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And Yhovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Perhaps if we expand our view of what it actually says, we can understand it. Our Heavenly Father never said there are no gods (other celestial entities), He just doesn't want us bowing down to them. Call it intellectual property rights. Perhaps if we broaden our understanding to include that other gods exist, we can give merit to all of the other histories written that include gods coming down and mating with the women. A couple other things to consider; people lived a lot longer before the flood. Take note that they lived multiple decades before they bore children. Comparatively they would have had about eighty years of growing before they finished puberty. Who knows how large some of these people grew naturally?
When you look at the whole picture you can clearly see throughout the Bible and many other civilizations that there is more going on than can be explained with given information. Even if Lucifer was bold enough to challenge Yhovah, why would he have the confidence of one third of the angels?
Come to think of it, if you examine what the text actually says is that we were made in the image of elohiym. We all think it means Yhovah but it might actually say "the gods". That sure does add a plot twist. It even explains why they found the women sexy.
There are giant ligers that exist. They are the offspring of a lion and a tiger. Genetically the genes that cause the offspring to grow are not the same as the one that cause them to stop growing. The male possesses one and the female, the other. It may be switched in different species. So if the father and the mother both possess the growth gene then neither possess the gene to stop. It just keeps growing and growing.
Everybody seems to conclude that every time elohiym is used in the Old Testament, it refers to Yhovah. Elohiym translates to gods. The passage correctly maybe translated as
1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of the gods saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And Yhovah said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of the gods came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.5And Yhovah saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually. 6And it repented Yhovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And Yhovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Perhaps if we expand our view of what it actually says, we can understand it. Our Heavenly Father never said there are no gods (other celestial entities), He just doesn't want us bowing down to them. Call it intellectual property rights. Perhaps if we broaden our understanding to include that other gods exist, we can give merit to all of the other histories written that include gods coming down and mating with the women. A couple other things to consider; people lived a lot longer before the flood. Take note that they lived multiple decades before they bore children. Comparatively they would have had about eighty years of growing before they finished puberty. Who knows how large some of these people grew naturally?
When you look at the whole picture you can clearly see throughout the Bible and many other civilizations that there is more going on than can be explained with given information. Even if Lucifer was bold enough to challenge Yhovah, why would he have the confidence of one third of the angels?
Come to think of it, if you examine what the text actually says is that we were made in the image of elohiym. We all think it means Yhovah but it might actually say "the gods". That sure does add a plot twist. It even explains why they found the women sexy.
The idea that the sons of God were part of Adam's offspring , is total ludicrous because all the offspring of Adam would be the offspring of Adam, male and female. The offspring of Adam would be the sons of Adam and the daughters of Adam, or the sons of men and the daughters of men. To make such an absurd excuse for logic because one cannot explain something in the bible is much worse then to just say, I don't know.
W
JIMBO- Angels have joy, so that means they are attacked to human women by the arousal of supposed hormones? That's about as lame as it gets....God said that each of his KIND shall produce. a dog cant reproduce with an elephant, and neither can an angelic being of the spirit world reproduce with mankind. A child could understand this....angels do not have reproductive hormones, and they were never given any ability to reproduce, the scripture is quite clear on this matter....
Jesus never even remotely suggested copulating angels in the text, especially when He spoke of the days of Noah, He only spoke of man carelessly marrying, and entangling themselves with those of the fallen world like Solomon did, or as Luke said: overcharged with surfeiting, drunkenness, and the cares of this world...Never once did Jesus mention it was because of fallen angels. The blame was ALL put on man and His freewill rebellion to God....Dig deep and build on the ROCK of TRUTH, lest the flood of lies sweep that house away.....
Jesus never even remotely suggested copulating angels in the text, especially when He spoke of the days of Noah, He only spoke of man carelessly marrying, and entangling themselves with those of the fallen world like Solomon did, or as Luke said: overcharged with surfeiting, drunkenness, and the cares of this world...Never once did Jesus mention it was because of fallen angels. The blame was ALL put on man and His freewill rebellion to God....Dig deep and build on the ROCK of TRUTH, lest the flood of lies sweep that house away.....
Why is it ludicrous? Jesus is the Son of 'Man', then what is the name of the 'Man' who is the Son of God?
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them
Gen 6:1
So if daughters were not born until 'men' began to multiply on the face the earth then the single progenitor seems to have a big hole in it such as the wife of Cain, but maybe walking by faith and not by sight would make it had to read the passage wherein it is written, if any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:2
So to answer your question I dunna know who the giants were that the Ammonites called Zamzummims, but not to be confused with a people great, and many, and tall like the Anakims.
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them
Gen 6:1
So if daughters were not born until 'men' began to multiply on the face the earth then the single progenitor seems to have a big hole in it such as the wife of Cain, but maybe walking by faith and not by sight would make it had to read the passage wherein it is written, if any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:2
So to answer your question I dunna know who the giants were that the Ammonites called Zamzummims, but not to be confused with a people great, and many, and tall like the Anakims.
Believe as you will to believe Samuel23 let each person be convicted in their own hearts by the Holy Spirit on the issue..
Where NOT here to win arguments samuel23 ... We are here to share and discuss.. If you think iot is all about winning arguments samuel23 then i suggest you go to God and ask him if your pride is getting in the way of the Way....
Where NOT here to win arguments samuel23 ... We are here to share and discuss.. If you think iot is all about winning arguments samuel23 then i suggest you go to God and ask him if your pride is getting in the way of the Way....