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Ok ill shed some light...
When demon possession occurs The persons soul is taken over ,,, this is spiritual theft.. d.n.a mutilation of our spiritual d.n.a ,,identity theft satan and his angels came to steal and destroy.. when a demon possessed man mates with a women the spiritual.d.n.a is passed down from the angels.
That is not what the Book of Enoch says since women were giving birth to spirits;

You are trying to legitimize the Book of Enoch when you should be using the accepted scripture to discern why by the scripture that the Book of Enoch is not accepted as scripture. It is a fraud, and I have given you enough scripture beforehand for you to discern by Him why the Book of Enoch is a fraud.

You really believe Enoch had written a book that survived the Flood and that it preceded BEFORE the Lord led Moses by the Holy Spirit, in writing Genesis & the other books for the nations of Israel?

There would be no need for the Book of Enoch to be written by Enoch when Israel was not a nation yet. It is a fraud.
 
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The Book of Enoch is a fraud.

How can that which is spirit, mingle with the flesh to give birth to spirit?

John 3:[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

How can in Enoch chapter 8 testify to some things in creation that did not come forth when God spoke it to come forth, being punished in Heaven when scripture testify that God's word does not return void?

Isaiah 55:[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.[SUP]12 [/SUP]For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

So either you believe Enoch over scripture or you believe scripture over this fraud of a book supposedly written by Enoch.

The sons of God cannot be used as a reference to angels which scripture testifies God would never join them in marriage.

Mark 12:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?[SUP]25 [/SUP]For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.


Does the Bible say that women were giving birth to spirits? Actually, no it does not say that and so that statement seems to have been added by you.

Your quote from John has to do with salvation.

We do not even need the book of Enoch to provide and sort of proof. The Bible plainly states what happened regarding the angels who procreated with human women.

This is unacceptable for some and so they go to great lengths to try and say the Bible does not say that.

But it does say that.

I think you are being unfair in your synopsis of what people have said regarding the book of Enoch. You are going beyond what is being said.
 
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Excellent query. One that is so obvious that I can not believe I never considered in all the years I studied this subject.
I would have to say that if it is possible the individual would seek out God, then yes, they can be clean. God in His mercy will see to it.
I guess the real question os does that hybrid person have the necessary tools needed to instigate the process, or are they to polluted?
Would God give them them a special judgement curve?
If they except Jesus there will be no judgement. except a joyfull rejoicing in heaven.
 
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The bible is clear for those who accept the written word of God his house will remain clean and angel possesion can not occur
 
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The seeds of Satan are demon posssessed men and women.

Genocides have been started because of the false belief that fallen angels have "tainted" the blood of some of the human race.

The book of Enoch is a fraud. If you accept it as holy scripture, you will come out with many false doctrines about what the Bible is saying.
 
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The book of enoch was once in our cannon
 
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Ok well how about this theory then and im going to bust a few bubbles with this one lol......


All people who inherit the angel gene can be saved ..

The angels have multiplied upon the face of the earth using our bodies as vessels to house there spirits..

woman give birth to man body and mind and soul.. the soul of the angel is the stronger than that of the human during conception..so the body inherits the soul of an angel.. that can come and go as they please once born..
 
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Ill try not to leave you all confused... a child is born with a soul.....

Theres thousands upon millions of cases world wide of children seeing and talking to spirits..

Ever asked yourself why ?????

Many have but the best answer ive herd to date is the mind and soul of a child is less poluted and more awake due to the lack of input and focus needed to focus on being awake in mind and soul..(as an aldult we we are more focused on distractions to be fully awke through unwanted junk..
 
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The Book of Enoch is a fraud.

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Jude must not have received the memo or God....Jude directly quotes Enoch.....

What a shame people deny this and reject this fact.....and the fact it is referenced with the book of Jasher (also referenced in Joshua) no less than 6 times in the bible.....

Who again canonized the scriptures and when?
 
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The book that is being called the book of Enoch is a fraud. The book Jude was quoting is not, but that is NOT the book claiming it's name now.

Satan can quote scripture too.

Anyone can quote one verse and add a bunch of rubbish to deceive folks. That is what the current book of Enoch and the dead sea scrolls have done.
 
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Who is spoken of in Psalm 82?

​ God stands in the congregation of the mighty; He judges among the gods. How long will you judge unjustly, And show partiality to the wicked? Selah Defend the poor and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy; Free them from the hand of the wicked. They do not know, nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are unstable. I said, “You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High. But you shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes.” Arise, O God, judge the earth; For You shall inherit all nations
John 10:34 ►
New International Version
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are "gods"

If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and Scripture cannot be set aside--

what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?
This shows that some folks assumptions should be re-examined.
 
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Does the Bible say that women were giving birth to spirits? Actually, no it does not say that and so that statement seems to have been added by you.
To clarify... I agree with you that the Bible did not say that women were giving birth to spirits, but that was why I was reproving the Book of Enoch as why it is not accepted scripture because the Book of Enoch does say women were giving birth to spirits which is contrary to the Word of God in the Bible.

Your quote from John has to do with salvation.
Correct in regards to the Old Covenant vanishing as to becoming a son of God by whereas now, there is only one way to become one and that is by faith in Jesus Christ. Therefore angels cannot be the sons of God... ever; not before.. and certainly not now.

We do not even need the book of Enoch to provide and sort of proof. The Bible plainly states what happened regarding the angels who procreated with human women.
Now how can they when God does not join them in marriage as Jesus has said for those women to be called wives to them?

This is unacceptable for some and so they go to great lengths to try and say the Bible does not say that.

But it does say that.
No.. it does not as per Jesus's own words. Jesus said God joins a male and female together to be one flesh. So He would never join an angel and a woman together as one flesh, because angels are not given in marriage nor do they marry.

Matthew 19:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,[SUP]5 [/SUP]And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?[SUP]6 [/SUP]Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Matthew 22:30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

I think you are being unfair in your synopsis of what people have said regarding the book of Enoch. You are going beyond what is being said.
It does appear my recollection of where it was written in Enoch has been wrong, but here it is; the correct reference: in Enoch chapter 15 where the women were giving birth to spirits which are these giants in the earth.

The Wesley Center Online: Book Of Enoch

"8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them."

Now to find the correct reference in Enoch in denying the truth in His words in Isaiah 55:11

Isaiah 55:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

The Book of Enoch calling God a liar as opposing Isaiah 55:11 is quoted here....in Enoch chapter 18...

"8 But the middle one reached to heaven like the throne of God, of alabaster, and the summit of the 9,10 throne was of sapphire. And I saw a flaming fire. And beyond these mountains Is a region the end of the great earth: there the heavens were completed. And I saw a deep abyss, with columns of heavenly fire, and among them I saw columns of fire fall, which were beyond measure alike towards 12 the height and towards the depth. And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no 13 birds, but it was a waste and horrible place. I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, 14 and to me, when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'"

I have gotten the reference in Enoch wrong, but there it is; and quoted too.

That is why you should not believe Enoch nor read anything of Enoch into scripture.

I have given you scripture from Jesus to believe His words as to why you should be reading His words into Genesis.

But only the Lord can help you see the truth in His words in the accepted Bible as well as to see the lies that are in the Book of Enoch as no lie can be of the truth which is why the Book of Enoch is a fraud.
 
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The book that is being called the book of Enoch is a fraud. The book Jude was quoting is not, but that is NOT the book claiming it's name now.

Satan can quote scripture too.

Anyone can quote one verse and add a bunch of rubbish to deceive folks. That is what the current book of Enoch and the dead sea scrolls have done.
Yeah.....ok.....have you read it....I have....and found NOTHING that contradicts the bible and even took a highlighter and highlighted things that no ordinary man could have known.....

So...my reference to it being quoted (Jude and Joshua were inspired) ties into Satan quoting a verse how exactly?
 
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https://answersingenesis.org/bible-characters/who-were-the-nephilim/

Here are 4 different views:

Here is a table with a brief summary of the four popular views discussed:

Name View in short
Fallen angels view Satan and/or his fallen angels bred with human women and had offspring that were called Nephilim.

Fallen angels overtook men view
Fallen angels and/or Satan possessed men and caused them to breed with women.

Sethite view The sons of God were the godly line from Adam to Seth down to Noah, and the Nephilim were fallen children who sought after false gods.

Fallen men view Godly men (sons of God) took ungodly wives, and their descendants (Nephilim) followed after the false gods, rejected God, and fell far from God in wickedness.
 

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Giants were simply very large men. So Goliath was 'six cubits and a span', about 7'6" in height. But they were not invincible. Indeed their overlarge size resulted in weakened muscles.
6 cubits X 1.5 feet/cubit = 9 feet. 9 feet + 1 span X 8.5 inch/span = 9' 8.5" tall.
 
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Yeah.....ok.....have you read it....I have....and found NOTHING that contradicts the bible and even took a highlighter and highlighted things that no ordinary man could have known.....

So...my reference to it being quoted (Jude and Joshua were inspired) ties into Satan quoting a verse how exactly?
Demons know lots no ordinary man can know, what is your point?


.yes I have read it more than enough to see it lies and contradicts scriptures in many places. If you don't see it. You need to read the BIBLE more and the book of Enoch less.

However it explains why you believe in Gnostics lies that the human body is evil and only the spirit is pure.

Instead of what the Bible says: our bodies are holy temples for the Holy Spirit and since Jesus had a human body, flesh itself is not sinful.
 

Ahwatukee

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6 cubits X 1.5 feet/cubit = 9 feet. 9 feet + 1 span X 8.5 inch/span = 9' 8.5" tall.
Good day Billyd,

The offspring of the watchers/angels mentioned in Enoch were 300 cubits tall.

Quote: "And they conceiving brought forth giants; whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them; When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them; and began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.
 
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6 cubits X 1.5 feet/cubit = 9 feet. 9 feet + 1 span X 8.5 inch/span = 9' 8.5" tall.
Robert Pershing Wadlow (USA) (born 6:30 a.m. at Alton, Illinois, USA on 22 February 1918), who when last measured on 27 June 1940, was found to be 2.72 m (8 ft 11.1 in) tall.

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Demons know lots no ordinary man can know, what is your point?


.yes I have read it more than enough to see it lies and contradicts scriptures in many places. If you don't see it. You need to read the BIBLE more and the book of Enoch less.

However it explains why you believe in Gnostics lies that the human body is evil and only the spirit is pure.

Instead of what the Bible says: our bodies are holy temples for the Holy Spirit and since Jesus had a human body, flesh itself is not sinful.
Your mouthy comment was uncalled for....we were discussing.....second...You don't know me nor how many times I have studied through the bible.....and Jesus came in the LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH........

Your accusation of being gnostic was also an uncalled for low blow.....

The SPIRIT is born of INCORRUPTBLE SEED
THE BODY is DEAD BECAUSE OF SIN and is NOT SUBJECT unto the word of GOD