GIANTS

[Ariel82]

Magenta i love you but i thnk there is something your overlooking.
if son of Most High is mankind, and we become a son of Most High when being born again with Christ. that would mean we go from being mankind to mankind. i dont see the difference, where is the transformation?

So you believe humans become angels?

 

[Ariel82]

If you believe fallen angels and humans can procreate, would you advocate death to all babies born of that union?

 

[birdie]

The word nephilim is translated 'bully' in Strongs Concordance, and that pretty much matches up with how I see the word giant being used in the Bible. David fought the giant Goliath (whose name means splendor). But despite all the splendor, we learn that Goliath was uncircumcized, the Bible's way of saying he was unsaved. He represented the splendor of the congregations who claim to be in Christ but who are not. David comes against him in the name of the Lord of hosts and on behalf of the armies of the living God. Genesis 6 talks about how so-called giants come about. The sons of God (meaning true belivers, humans in Christ) took wives that were not true believers and the result was these unsaved mighty men. There were no so-called angels involved, unless you call the true believer humans angels, which the Bible does quite often.

 

[buddyt]

Why did God send the judgment of the Flood in the days of Noah? The strange events recorded in Genesis 6 were understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, as well as the Septuagint translators, as referring to fallen angels procreating weird hybrid offspring with human women-known as the Nephilim. This was far more than simply a historical issue, the unique events leading to the Flood are a prerequisite to understanding the prophetic implications of our Lord's predictions regarding His Second Coming. This is believed to have happened both before the Flood and after the flood. In Israel at the time of David, and before this when the Hebrews were scouting the land - there were tribes of these Nephilim - Goliath the giant of Gath is one example. Early Church fathers also understood this to be the case. It appears that these fallen angels were active all over the world. These bizarre giants living on the earth are also echoed in the legends and myths of nearly every ancient culture. The ancient Greeks, the Egyptians, the Hindus, the South Sea Islanders, the American Indians, and most all the others have these legends.
​Bigfoot ? ​lol

 

[dcontroversal]

Dinosaurs were invented by Jesuits 180 years ago, even named them 20 years before one was even supposedly discovered, it helped promote Darwin's evolution delirium..Another huge money making scam for the gullible..

HAHAH WOW.....and to think I had heard it all.......this one takes the cake (for the moment)

 

[Hungry]

The word nephilim is translated 'bully' in Strongs Concordance, and that pretty much matches up with how I see the word giant being used in the Bible. David fought the giant Goliath (whose name means splendor). But despite all the splendor, we learn that Goliath was uncircumcized, the Bible's way of saying he was unsaved. He represented the splendor of the congregations who claim to be in Christ but who are not. David comes against him in the name of the Lord of hosts and on behalf of the armies of the living God. Genesis 6 talks about how so-called giants come about. The sons of God (meaning true belivers, humans in Christ) took wives that were not true believers and the result was these unsaved mighty men. There were no so-called angels involved, unless you call the true believer humans angels, which the Bible does quite often.

John 1:12 doesn't apply to Old Testament believers. It's speaking of an adoption for those in Christ. It's like the truth keeps hitting people upside the head and nobody is willing to open their eyes to see it. Instead of actually thinking that they might be wrong, they just build a theological labyrinth to protect their narrow mindedness. Everything is clear and congruent throughout scripture if you just open your eyes to see.

 

[dcontroversal]

What amazes me is this.....people would have us believe that saved men had sex with lost women and it resulted in the races of giants that were on the earth before the flood and in the time of David.....

OK.....well....saved men have with lost women today.....and have for the last 6000 years...where are all the Giants....and why are they not running around all over the place?

 

[dcontroversal]

our bible teaches the world was created in 7 days, talking snakes, men walking on water, the dead being brought back to life, most Christians accept these things no problem, but fallen angels creating children with humans, no way that cant happen!!!

I know the logic.....I like the one about the saved men having sex with lost women and it produced Giants......still trying to figure out how come they are not running around all over the place....Heck....Solomon should have had like a few hundred himself having had 1000 women and many of them being women from Pagan nations......

 

[dcontroversal]

I guess all of daughters of the Sons of God were ugly and not attractive....seeing how the Sons of God only looked to the daughters of lost men.......the daughters of ADAM.......oh it is all so confusing....so....the Daughters of God were ugly and not blessed enough or hot enough for the Sons of God so...they chose the lost women of the planet and it resulted in races of GIANTS........yeah makes sense huh!

 

[Ariel82]

You are confused because you accept that Nephilim means giants and not just "fallen ones"

You assume all nephilim are giants and you don't see the world through spiritual eyes.

Mark 8:24 ►
New International Version
He looked up and said, "I see people; they look like trees walking around."

 

[sevenseas]

To clarify... I agree with you that the Bible did not say that women were giving birth to spirits, but that was why I was reproving the Book of Enoch as why it is not accepted scripture because the Book of Enoch does say women were giving birth to spirits which is contrary to the Word of God in the Bible.



Correct in regards to the Old Covenant vanishing as to becoming a son of God by whereas now, there is only one way to become one and that is by faith in Jesus Christ. Therefore angels cannot be the sons of God... ever; not before.. and certainly not now.



Now how can they when God does not join them in marriage as Jesus has said for those women to be called wives to them?



No.. it does not as per Jesus's own words. Jesus said God joins a male and female together to be one flesh. So He would never join an angel and a woman together as one flesh, because angels are not given in marriage nor do they marry.

Matthew 19:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,[SUP]5 [/SUP]And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?[SUP]6 [/SUP]Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Matthew 22:30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.



It does appear my recollection of where it was written in Enoch has been wrong, but here it is; the correct reference: in Enoch chapter 15 where the women were giving birth to spirits which are these giants in the earth.

The Wesley Center Online: Book Of Enoch

"8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them."

Now to find the correct reference in Enoch in denying the truth in His words in Isaiah 55:11

Isaiah 55:[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

The Book of Enoch calling God a liar as opposing Isaiah 55:11 is quoted here....in Enoch chapter 18...

"8 But the middle one reached to heaven like the throne of God, of alabaster, and the summit of the 9,10 throne was of sapphire. And I saw a flaming fire. And beyond these mountains Is a region the end of the great earth: there the heavens were completed. And I saw a deep abyss, with columns of heavenly fire, and among them I saw columns of fire fall, which were beyond measure alike towards 12 the height and towards the depth. And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no 13 birds, but it was a waste and horrible place. I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, 14 and to me, when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 'This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of 16 their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated (even) for ten thousand years.'"

I have gotten the reference in Enoch wrong, but there it is; and quoted too.

That is why you should not believe Enoch nor read anything of Enoch into scripture.

I have given you scripture from Jesus to believe His words as to why you should be reading His words into Genesis.

But only the Lord can help you see the truth in His words in the accepted Bible as well as to see the lies that are in the Book of Enoch as no lie can be of the truth which is why the Book of Enoch is a fraud.

Thank you for the well thought out answer. I will have to answer later because it's so long and I don't want to just write any old thing.

Later and thanks.

 

[trofimus]

Do any of you nay sayers have a idea how dinosaurs came to be?

Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur

Do you doubters really believe in evolution and that dinosaurs were here millions of years ago?

Yes... so who is the doubter now?

Start to use the bible as the basis of everything and you will begin to connect the dots here.

Done.

Until then, your going to be lost.

You are waaaay out of the Christian faith boundaries right now, with such claims.

 

[sevenseas]

This shows that some folks assumptions should be re-examined.

I really do not understand what you are saying here.

I have no clue what you are providing regarding assumptions or how what you quote requires re-examination.

I am finding that sometimes it is like people are speaking in code here; maybe because they are familiar with each other?

 

[dcontroversal]

You are confused because you accept that Nephilim means giants and not just "fallen ones"

You assume all nephilim are giants and you don't see the world through spiritual eyes.

If this is directed at me.....I am not confused at all about it.....facetious is the word-->as in, I was being........I assume nothing.......!

 

[Hungry]

This is not a plug for sons of God being human, just an explanation of how there could be giants after. As I stated before that the men were living for an average of a hundred years before having children. That could very well mean that even the sons of Adam were larger than expected. After the flood, Yhovah shortened the life expectancy to 120 years. This doesn't mean that it was all of a sudden. It could have taken multiple generations before the bloodlines lowered to this level, meaning giants could have existed even without divine fornication.

 

[sevenseas]

There were gnats in the earth in those days; and also after that pesky mosquitos...and nobody's been happy since.

But there were also frogs to eat them!

 

[sevenseas]

The seeds of Satan are demon posssessed men and women.

Genocides have been started because of the false belief that fallen angels have "tainted" the blood of some of the human race.

The book of Enoch is a fraud. If you accept it as holy scripture, you will come out with many false doctrines about what the Bible is saying.

What are you calling demon possession?

Who is demon possessed according to you? That is an interesting summation you have made but I am puzzled as to how you reached this conclusion.

Are you saying that there are human beings for whom God did not send His Son because they are filled with the spirits of demons?

I'm really not sure what you are saying here.

 

[dcontroversal]

I really do not understand what you are saying here.

I have no clue what you are providing regarding assumptions or how what you quote requires re-examination.

I am finding that sometimes it is like people are speaking in code here; maybe because they are familiar with each other?

They like to be direct, without being direct.........

What is funny, and tragic...something hinted at above.....we believe all these things that are miraculous in the bible....raising the dead, walking on water, healed diseases, Elijah taken up in a flaming Chariot, an invisible all powerful, all knowing ever present God, creation etc......and then we are expected to believe that saved men and lost women copulating resulted in a race of Giants....wiped out in the flood and then again during the days of David.....

by this logic....they should be ALL over the planet......every where we look we should see them...EVEN though JUDE under inspiration states clearly that the angels which fell from their first ESTATE went after strange flesh and it is compared to SODOM and Gomorrah.....oblivious to the fact that the ANGELS which went of SODOM appeared AS MEN, in the SHAPE and form of MEN and the men of SODOM wanted to have sex with them.......

reminds me of the logic of the Pharisee.....swallow a camel, yet strain at a gnat!

 

[dcontroversal]

What are you calling demon possession?

Who is demon possessed according to you? That is an interesting summation you have made but I am puzzled as to how you reached this conclusion.

Are you saying that there are human beings for whom God did not send His Son because they are filled with the spirits of demons?

I'm really not sure what you are saying here.

Her comment is based upon something above....I said.......In Genesis 3:15 it speaks of the seed of the WOMAN (JESUS) and the seed of the SERPENT (DEVIL)

If the seed of the woman (JESUS) is literal it stands to reason that the SEED of the Serpent (DEVIL) is literal.......

so...I guess that was here rebuttal.......

 

[sevenseas]

Sorry that is not the case. You are thinking of people with defects and disease which creates abnormal skeletons creating health problems. Giants we have Bible and documents in history are normal beings, not a genetically flawed human. There is plenty of evidence to show that these beings were a race on thier own. The men of legend and renown. Read old mythology again, Beowulf is a prime example. It is classed as fiction as the protaganist and the creatures are considered impossible creations for evolutionists. Yet we see dragon described in Bible and men with super human abilities and strength.

Quickly we move on to the Red Indians, with their stories about the red haired blue eyed giants 20 feet tall and would chase down buffalo on foot and scoop them up in their hands.

The Smithsonian institute being exposed in court that they dumped tens of thousands of giant skeletons in the sea during early 1900s, all because they contradicted evolution.

That is what happens. It is my thought that people are afraid as though the Bible cannot stand examination or perhaps something different then what they have come to believe will be shown to be true, so they get rid of what they cannot fit into their paradigm.

We are still living in the dark ages. Most likely progressing in them since the sin in the garden.