Cuomo and Transgender Intolerance

[Smoke]

The point is that we are creating a more dangerous environment when rapists know they can always get away with being caught in a women's restroom because laws would then protect them and their supposed "right" to be there. Even if a pervert tried to rape a woman, and failed..... it would be simply her word against his. Him being caught in a woman's restroom (even with his pants off) would mean nothing. It, then, would simply be his "right" as a warped gender puzzle nut to be in there with his clothes half-off.

Rapists are allowed in the restroom with little boys too. Do we need to have 10 different restrooms that cater to gender and age restrictions? Where do we draw the line in how far we are willing to go to "protect women and children"?

Also, I doubt a sexual criminal will get off (legally speaking) if he was successful in raping or even unsuccessful in raping. For one, DNA evidence would make it difficult to explain how a man got his DNA (bodily fluid or hair) on the accuser/victim. If the rapist was unsuccessful, there is still more than likely going to be some evidence of it. If there was no evidence it would be quite amazing. Not to mention, we are missing the biggest variable here... this has nothing to do with the transgender community as a whole...

 

[Smoke]

Why cant it be both? There is an obvious fear of giving people a free pass to to any restroom, and yes there is a discomfort over having everyone in the same bathroom. I am absolutely open about it. Im already uncomfortable enough with sharing a restroom with strange men I dont know, why would I want to include everyone else?
In what way is that wrong? And why should I have to give it up for the sake of the feelings of others?

It's wrong if you demand the government to take action that they shouldn't have. If a business feels, in spite of your comfort or lack thereof, that they want transgendered people to go to the restroom they identify with, they should have that right (which is currently the status quo by the way). Why are you so special that the law should make businesses conform to your comfort level? You are free to A.) not use their restroom if you're so uncomfortable or B.) not do business with them.

And there is a clear difference between the gun rights issue and the restroom issue. Guns are a tool, they are used both for hunting and self defense. They are a necessary part of life. Restrooms are a necessary part of life as well, but mixing the two segregated rooms is both unnecessary, and not a beneficial change. It is only being done for a group of people who are making the choice to not work out their issues with their bodies, and infringing the boundaries of everybody else.

You fail to see that transgendered people going into the restroom they identify as is not a "change" whatsoever... It's the current status quo. The police can't arrest a transgendered man for going into the men's room unless the business/owner of the property tells the transgendered man to leave. If the transgendered man refuses, then and only then can the police step in. I see NOTHING wrong with the status quo...

Guns-needed for hunting and self defense, and actually necessary tool for living
Removing segregated bathrooms- Done for the sake of a few who dont want to change their mindset, breaking boundaries on everyone else

The gun rights issue is not an equal comparision.

Calling big brother to step over business rights is not necessary either... It's done to pacify insecure and misguided people who think transgendered people are the real rapists and not non-transgendered people.

 

[88]

It's wrong if you demand the government to take action that they shouldn't have. If a business feels, in spite of your comfort or lack thereof, that they want transgendered people to go to the restroom they identify with, they should have that right (which is currently the status quo by the way). Why are you so special that the law should make businesses conform to your comfort level? You are free to A.) not use their restroom if you're so uncomfortable or B.) not do business with them.



You fail to see that transgendered people going into the restroom they identify as is not a "change" whatsoever... It's the current status quo. The police can't arrest a transgendered man for going into the men's room unless the business/owner of the property tells the transgendered man to leave. If the transgendered man refuses, then and only then can the police step in. I see NOTHING wrong with the status quo...



Calling big brother to step over business rights is not necessary either... It's done to pacify insecure and misguided people who think transgendered people are the real rapists and not non-transgendered people.

****if a women goes into a man's bathroom she should be transformed into a man (no breasts)----if a man goes into a woman's bathroom he should be transformed into a women (no penis)-----if the law allows people to decide if they are male or female based on their feelings rather than the required transformation then I think they are not serious about their sex or they are messing around----it is wrong to expose young children to things they should not see or really even know about---perverting the young hold a severe penalty from the Lord (Matthew 18:6)...

 

[Smoke]

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. So let's put the guns in the hands of anyone who feels like carrying one? Yeah, kind of what you're saying.

Not at all what I'm saying. Restrooms = guns, people = people, non-rapists = uses guns wisely, rapists = uses guns illegally. Some people use guns illegally, but it doesn't make sense to outlaw guns because some people CAN abuse them. Punish the people who abuse them. I'm saying, punish the people who do the actual raping, not the transgendered people and the businesses who aren't doing the actual raping...

I really do get transgender people wouldn't cause me any harm in the bathroom. BUT this law says anyone who wants to call themselves transgender gets to use whichever room they want to use. Hmmm, can you think of any particular reasons voyeurs, people with fetishes, and rapists wouldn't just walk into the ladies room?

No, this law would restrict them from doing so. It's only illegal if the business/property owners request the person leave and that person refuses. Can you think of a reason why a man would legally purchase a gun to murder someone? Sure... but I'm not going to say we should ban guns...

And businesses can set standards? Peachy-keen because the standards for transgender bathrooms in this city is being set by the school board. Once again -- government. And the only people who have to send their kids to the public schools are the ones with no choice. They can't afford private schools and they aren't equipped to homeschool. In a city that only graduates half of the 18 year olds, (the other half quit at 16) and out of those graduates half are illiterate, exactly what business are we allowing to do whatever they wish?

I'm not in favor of the public school system. I probably have unpopular views of them. At the end of the day, we all have a choice of where we send our kids to go to school... Even if it's not what you want, it's nevertheless a choice.

I was also speaking primarily of the commercial industry, but it applies every where else too.

AND, as a person who used to have to work for a living at a fulltime job, exactly how am I supposed to hold it in for nine hours per day because the business I work for thinks it's okay?

Your logic burnt to ash.

You don't have to hold it for 9 hours. You can go into a restroom and relieve yourself. If you don't want to because a transgendered woman might be in there, that's on you. Find employment that is more suitable to your sensibilities/comfort... stop trying to make the sun revolve around the earth.

 

[Smoke]

This also applies to a person who hates their job because they think they are bigots for NOT allowing transgendered people from going into the restroom they identify with. No one is making you work there... I'd rather the business set the rules and not the government.

 

[peacenik]

This also applies to a person who hates their job because they think they are bigots for NOT allowing transgendered people from going into the restroom they identify with. No one is making you work there... I'd rather the business set the rules and not the government.

In a 2005 interview, Trump talked about walking in on naked contestants -- but that was in response to a discussion about the Miss USA and Miss Universe pageants, whose contestants are adults. Trump said:Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it. You know, I'm inspecting, I want to make sure that everything is good.
You know, the dresses. ‘Is everyone okay?’ You know, they're standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that.



The allegations about Donald Trump and Miss Teen USA contestants | PolitiFact Wisconsin



Trump made the rules back then.

 

[kaylagrl]

In a 2005 interview, Trump talked about walking in on naked contestants -- but that was in response to a discussion about the Miss USA and Miss Universe pageants, whose contestants are adults. Trump said:Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it. You know, I'm inspecting, I want to make sure that everything is good.
You know, the dresses. ‘Is everyone okay?’ You know, they're standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’ And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that.



The allegations about Donald Trump and Miss Teen USA contestants | PolitiFact Wisconsin



Trump made the rules back then.

Another contestant debunked that claim and said it wasn't true...

 

[Smoke]

I love the food at Twin Peaks and Bone Daddy's. However, waitresses dress in ultra revealing attire at both restaurants. They come out in skirts where you can see their underwear if they were to bend over with tops that only cover their breast. Both restaurants even have theme days where they wear bikinis... Nevertheless, the times I've gone in the past, you see families eating there... Yes the food is that darn good... but I'm sure some families are uncomfortable going there because of this...

The first time I went to Bone Daddy's was with my family. We had NO IDEA that the waitresses dressed the way they did until our waitress rolled up to our table. We all loved their food but my mom proclaimed she is never going there again in spite of their delicious food. That is her right... IT'S NOT her right to expect and demand the government to make a law requiring a dress code for waiters/waitresses. If you don't like something that a business does, PLEASE don't do business with them... Everyone wants a safe place and the government to save the day. And we wonder why the younger generation are filled with a bunch of entitled mentalities.

 

[Sirk]

Another contestant debunked that claim and said it wasn't true...

I wonder if peacenik is a follower of that Facebook page/coven of witches that is casting a spell a trump. At any rate, he and the seem to be allies.

 

[Susanna]

I love the food at Twin Peaks and Bone Daddy's. However, waitresses dress in ultra revealing attire at both restaurants. They come out in skirts where you can see their underwear if they were to bend over with tops that only cover their breast. Both restaurants even have theme days where they wear bikinis... Nevertheless, the times I've gone in the past, you see families eating there... Yes the food is that darn good... but I'm sure some families are uncomfortable going there because of this...

The first time I went to Bone Daddy's was with my family. We had NO IDEA that the waitresses dressed the way they did until our waitress rolled up to our table. We all loved their food but my mom proclaimed she is never going there again in spite of their delicious food. That is her right... IT'S NOT her right to expect and demand the government to make a law requiring a dress code for waiters/waitresses. If you don't like something that a business does, PLEASE don't do business with them... Everyone wants a safe place and the government to save the day. And we wonder why the younger generation are filled with a bunch of entitled mentalities.

I totally agree. If people make the govt force their beliefs and attitudes on others, there will be no way of stopping it.

 

[Sully]

I wonder if peacenik is a follower of that Facebook page/coven of witches that is casting a spell a trump. At any rate, he and the seem to be allies.

Isn't it commendable to be the target of "witches" from the position of a follower of truth?

 

[Depleted]

Not at all what I'm saying. Restrooms = guns, people = people, non-rapists = uses guns wisely, rapists = uses guns illegally. Some people use guns illegally, but it doesn't make sense to outlaw guns because some people CAN abuse them. Punish the people who abuse them. I'm saying, punish the people who do the actual raping, not the transgendered people and the businesses who aren't doing the actual raping...



No, this law would restrict them from doing so. It's only illegal if the business/property owners request the person leave and that person refuses. Can you think of a reason why a man would legally purchase a gun to murder someone? Sure... but I'm not going to say we should ban guns...



I'm not in favor of the public school system. I probably have unpopular views of them. At the end of the day, we all have a choice of where we send our kids to go to school... Even if it's not what you want, it's nevertheless a choice.

I was also speaking primarily of the commercial industry, but it applies every where else too.



You don't have to hold it for 9 hours. You can go into a restroom and relieve yourself. If you don't want to because a transgendered woman might be in there, that's on you. Find employment that is more suitable to your sensibilities/comfort... stop trying to make the sun revolve around the earth.

I bet you're the type of person who believes healthcare should only be given after the patient is hospitalized for that health problem. No more advanced screens. Wait until the person feels the lump on the breast. Wait for the glaucoma to cause blindness. Wait for the diabetes to cause neuropathy, blindness, or amputation. Wait for the not-breathing-when-you-sleep to cause the stroke, heart attack, or death.

Because honestly? You're saying wait for the perv to do something before doing anything about it. AND don't expect your bosses to protect you from pervs they don't know about. Find a new job.

I got news for you. It used to take me five months to find a new job. I STILL can't hold it in for nine hours when looking for a new job. And back when I was working, the economy was never as bad as it is today. Only 100 people applying for a job back then. Not 1000.

As for everyone has a choice for schools? School is mandated in the US. If you can't afford private school and you're not equipped to homeschool, public school is the only choice. A friend of hubby had four daughters and was divorced. His child support payments gave him $50 a week to live on after the check went out. He never complained about that. He really figured out how to make due because his daughters were his world.

Then through a series of events, he got custody of his last daughter who was under 18. Obviously, he didn't have much money saved through all those years, and he did have to work. (Never remarried, but got out from who he was living with, since that woman was certifiably unhinged, and he needed a safe place for his daughter to live with him.) Before she lived with him, she lived with her aunt (his sister) in NJ and was a C student. Since he lived in Philly, she had to go to South Philly High. With no more effort in her school work, and despite being terrified to go to that school, she went from a C student to an A student. After a month, she simply refused to go back. She said the girls in the girl's room had switchblades and would chase anyone not part of their gang out of the girl's room. She couldn't hold it in for 7 hours, so she simply stopped going.

Where was his choice? I know what he did about it, but kindly tell me what choice he had?

You talk as if the world is full of good people waiting to live the life you choose for it to live. I talk reality.

 

[Smoke]

I bet you're the type of person who believes healthcare should only be given after the patient is hospitalized for that health problem. No more advanced screens. Wait until the person feels the lump on the breast. Wait for the glaucoma to cause blindness. Wait for the diabetes to cause neuropathy, blindness, or amputation. Wait for the not-breathing-when-you-sleep to cause the stroke, heart attack, or death.

I hope you're not a betting woman then. I believe in preventative care. But seeing as not everyone is a psychic who can read the future, even being cautious is sometimes still not enough... be it with guns or with non-transgendered people pretending to be transgender in order to rape someone in a restroom.

Having big brother create a law that does nothing to actually STOP the rapists (as we know they aren't predominantly the legitimate transgendered people) isn't the "advance screening" you're seeking. You're wanting to take chemotherapy to treat AIDS. Your remedy does nothing to stop or protect anyone. Furthermore, you believe in a law being created out of fear of people abusing their liberty but refuse to see how this could apply to guns. It's a double-standard.

Because honestly? You're saying wait for the perv to do something before doing anything about it. AND don't expect your bosses to protect you from pervs they don't know about. Find a new job.

Of course we have to wait for someone to break the law in order to prosecute them. I don't want to round up every civilian gun to PREVENT them from abusing their liberty. Will innocent people be killed with legal weapons? Yes... unfortunately... Should we give up our right to bear arms to "preventative" future killings ? No... This doesn't mean I WANT people to be murdered... "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin

I got news for you. It used to take me five months to find a new job. I STILL can't hold it in for nine hours when looking for a new job. And back when I was working, the economy was never as bad as it is today. Only 100 people applying for a job back then. Not 1000.

I sympathize with you, but beggars can't be choosers. If you are in desperate need of employment, you don't have the luxury of refusing to work for a business that allows transgendered people from using their restrooms. Nevertheless, you STILL have a choice... you may not like either choice... but still a choice.

I know many people in their youth who have the same problem. They all want to work for businesses that they WANT to work for. They would rather stay unemployed while wishful they get in a good place making good money. Apparently some work is beneath people... even if they are desperate for employment. It's all part of the entitlement mentality.

As for everyone has a choice for schools? School is mandated in the US. If you can't afford private school and you're not equipped to homeschool, public school is the only choice. A friend of hubby had four daughters and was divorced. His child support payments gave him $50 a week to live on after the check went out. He never complained about that. He really figured out how to make due because his daughters were his world.

You listed other choices... whether or not he could do it is a completely different discussion... but that doesn't mean he didn't have a choice. That's a bit of a contradictory statement.

Then through a series of events, he got custody of his last daughter who was under 18. Obviously, he didn't have much money saved through all those years, and he did have to work. (Never remarried, but got out from who he was living with, since that woman was certifiably unhinged, and he needed a safe place for his daughter to live with him.) Before she lived with him, she lived with her aunt (his sister) in NJ and was a C student. Since he lived in Philly, she had to go to South Philly High. With no more effort in her school work, and despite being terrified to go to that school, she went from a C student to an A student. After a month, she simply refused to go back. She said the girls in the girl's room had switchblades and would chase anyone not part of their gang out of the girl's room. She couldn't hold it in for 7 hours, so she simply stopped going.

I think you might understand my sentiments in the earlier post about my view of public schools.

Where was his choice? I know what he did about it, but kindly tell me what choice he had?

He had a choice in where his daughter went to school. If it wasn't viable (financially) to put her in a private or charter school then it was still his choice... he just couldn't afford it. Could he do something to make more money?... A second job like many people...? I mean, at some point people have to take responsibility for why their life is in the condition that it is in... and guess what... Most of the time it's because of the choices we make.

You talk as if the world is full of good people waiting to live the life you choose for it to live. I talk reality.

Do I have beliefs and opinions? Absolutely... I will vote that way too. Your reality when it comes to these issues is actually a refusal to accept reality... A refusal to allow businesses the right to decide who goes in their restrooms and to make the government MAKE businesses conform to your comfort and sensibility out of fear of non-transgendered people raping you in the restroom. A refusal to understand that even though we might have several bad choices to choose from, we nevertheless DO have a choice to make.

 

[Depleted]

I hope you're not a betting woman then. I believe in preventative care. But seeing as not everyone is a psychic who can read the future, even being cautious is sometimes still not enough... be it with guns or with non-transgendered people pretending to be transgender in order to rape someone in a restroom.

Having big brother create a law that does nothing to actually STOP the rapists (as we know they aren't predominantly the legitimate transgendered people) isn't the "advance screening" you're seeking. You're wanting to take chemotherapy to treat AIDS. Your remedy does nothing to stop or protect anyone. Furthermore, you believe in a law being created out of fear of people abusing their liberty but refuse to see how this could apply to guns. It's a double-standard.



Of course we have to wait for someone to break the law in order to prosecute them. I don't want to round up every civilian gun to PREVENT them from abusing their liberty. Will innocent people be killed with legal weapons? Yes... unfortunately... Should we give up our right to bear arms to "preventative" future killings ? No... This doesn't mean I WANT people to be murdered... "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin



I sympathize with you, but beggars can't be choosers. If you are in desperate need of employment, you don't have the luxury of refusing to work for a business that allows transgendered people from using their restrooms. Nevertheless, you STILL have a choice... you may not like either choice... but still a choice.

I know many people in their youth who have the same problem. They all want to work for businesses that they WANT to work for. They would rather stay unemployed while wishful they get in a good place making good money. Apparently some work is beneath people... even if they are desperate for employment. It's all part of the entitlement mentality.





You listed other choices... whether or not he could do it is a completely different discussion... but that doesn't mean he didn't have a choice. That's a bit of a contradictory statement.



I think you might understand my sentiments in the earlier post about my view of public schools.




He had a choice in where his daughter went to school. If it wasn't viable (financially) to put her in a private or charter school then it was still his choice... he just couldn't afford it. Could he do something to make more money?... A second job like many people...? I mean, at some point people have to take responsibility for why their life is in the condition that it is in... and guess what... Most of the time it's because of the choices we make.



Do I have beliefs and opinions? Absolutely... I will vote that way too. Your reality when it comes to these issues is actually a refusal to accept reality... A refusal to allow businesses the right to decide who goes in their restrooms and to make the government MAKE businesses conform to your comfort and sensibility out of fear of non-transgendered people raping you in the restroom. A refusal to understand that even though we might have several bad choices to choose from, we nevertheless DO have a choice to make.

The horrible, horrible government interference you think devastates the entire country --
Ladies Room is for females. Mens Room is for males!

Oh the horror! How dare the government enact such an egregious law? How have we survived all these centuries with such horrible governmental intrusion?

Truthfully? I'm not even sure if the government ever made that law. I assume common sense made that reality. But, hey. Who am I? Just some bimbo who supports government getting into every aspect of our business. All Trump did was rescind a rather stupid national law that was just enacted, not by legislators, but by POTUS last year.

No, really. I'm dealing with reality. You're not.

 

[Smoke]

The horrible, horrible government interference you think devastates the entire country --
Ladies Room is for females. Mens Room is for males!

Oh the horror! How dare the government enact such an egregious law? How have we survived all these centuries with such horrible governmental intrusion?

Truthfully? I'm not even sure if the government ever made that law. I assume common sense made that reality. But, hey. Who am I? Just some bimbo who supports government getting into every aspect of our business. All Trump did was rescind a rather stupid national law that was just enacted, not by legislators, but by POTUS last year.

No, really. I'm dealing with reality. You're not.

It's more so the people I have an issue with in wanting the government to step in anytime they are uncomfortable. No one's comfort level should allow them to make the government take away the rights of a business. If you are eating at Hooters and are uncomfortable with the women wearing short shorts and a tank top, DON'T GO THERE! It's as simple as that. If you don't like a business for allowing transgendered people to go to the restroom they identify with, DON'T SHOP THERE! There is a choice... you may not like it, but let's not pretend like there isn't.

We both agree when it comes to Obama though... He shouldn't have told schools that they need to allow transgendered students to go into the restrooms they identify as. I'm just sort of use to left wingers doing that sort of thing though... you know, make laws to appease one portion of the population's feelings/comfort level.

I mean... my goodness... how long have we gone without a law making it illegal...? "How on earth did we survive so long without a law restricting transgendered people from the restroom?!"

 

[Billyd]

Whats so difficult about requiring those with female plumbing to use the female rest/locker room, and those with male plumbing to use the male rest/locker room? Rest/locker rooms have nothing to do with the gender someone wants to be. They are designed for the gender that you are. If you have a problem with that, you need some serious help.

 

[Susanna]

Whats so difficult about requiring those with female plumbing to use the female rest/locker room, and those with male plumbing to use the male rest/locker room? Rest/locker rooms have nothing to do with the gender someone wants to be. They are designed for the gender that you are. If you have a problem with that, you need some serious help.

I think the point is whether this be handled by the state or by the govt.

 

[Billyd]

I think the point is whether this be handled by the state or by the govt.

What does the state or the federal government have to do with deciding how a person is plumbed? All that takes is looking below the waist.

 

[Tommy379]

Yo smoke, I'm down with the government staying out of it, but I'm really with if North Carolina says people have to use the can that matches their undercarriage, the feds need to shut their filthy, stinking pie hole, and go back to the deep pits of hell they came from.

Now, if there are some offended, confused fellas in Carolina that doesn't like it, they are free to move to California or Maryland where those people are down for all manner of toilet debauchery.

 

[Susanna]

What does the state or the federal government have to do with deciding how a person is plumbed? All that takes is looking below the waist.

Give the govt a finger and they'll take your arm. It's not really about what plumbing the rest room candidate has, but how willingly we are letting DC take the wheel.