forgiveness according to the truth
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The feeling I get form FollowJesus is he sees Christ as Gods son, but not as the Father.
This is biblically correct, but also they are one. But obviously Jesus is saying something
about expression, words, feelings, direction etc. and not actual physical manifestation, because
Jesus was a man, and the Father dwells in heaven.
So this is not heresy, making Jesus just a man, or making Jesus purely spirit would be.
There is a level of differing expression of the trinity and the language we use.
I have known in my own life, finding certain words described where I was at that
time, but to say more, was going beyond my own convictions.
So unless you can get FollowJesus to express something not biblical then you
have no argument.
This is biblically correct, but also they are one. But obviously Jesus is saying something
about expression, words, feelings, direction etc. and not actual physical manifestation, because
Jesus was a man, and the Father dwells in heaven.
So this is not heresy, making Jesus just a man, or making Jesus purely spirit would be.
There is a level of differing expression of the trinity and the language we use.
I have known in my own life, finding certain words described where I was at that
time, but to say more, was going beyond my own convictions.
So unless you can get FollowJesus to express something not biblical then you
have no argument.
Being cooperative for all who may have read my reply I elaborated and explanation as to why I feel perfectly comfortable calling God by any of the titles He has.
When used as a reference to the One God, yes, Trinity is perfectly allowable, but to say Trinity explains God would be a lie by any flesh because the Threeness of God could well be just for the creatures of this age.
Suffice it to say, I do not intend to give the impression of condemning any who do not call Him Trinity nor of any who do..
In this age God is still very personal, and come thnext it will be eternally glorious, amen.
When used as a reference to the One God, yes, Trinity is perfectly allowable, but to say Trinity explains God would be a lie by any flesh because the Threeness of God could well be just for the creatures of this age.
Suffice it to say, I do not intend to give the impression of condemning any who do not call Him Trinity nor of any who do..
In this age God is still very personal, and come thnext it will be eternally glorious, amen.
On the subject of heresy - it was interesting to read of reincarnation added to salvation.
A buddhist/christian mix, were niavana is reached by coming to faith, and our lives repeated
until this happens. Everything sounds fine until you come to this foundational idea, which somewhat
changes everything.
And there have been some very astute JW's who you agree with until the status of Christ comes
up and the actual faith step changes, because the meaning of the cross becomes something else.
So there is always good reason for caution. Looking at the writings of the early church fathers,
every single theological point has some heretical version someone is pushing, lol.
A buddhist/christian mix, were niavana is reached by coming to faith, and our lives repeated
until this happens. Everything sounds fine until you come to this foundational idea, which somewhat
changes everything.
And there have been some very astute JW's who you agree with until the status of Christ comes
up and the actual faith step changes, because the meaning of the cross becomes something else.
So there is always good reason for caution. Looking at the writings of the early church fathers,
every single theological point has some heretical version someone is pushing, lol.
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Re: forgiveness. I think we all agree that an unforgiving Christian is an oxymoron. If anyone is interested, this is a chapter that ties together the various passages about forgiveness. "Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance..."--Dietrich Bonhoeffer
https://textsincontext.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/repentance-forgiveness/
https://textsincontext.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/repentance-forgiveness/
When is heresy just miss-guided emphasis and when is it a lack of faith and
finally when is it blasphemy.
The early church had to deal with it all, which shows you how with even
eye-witnesses to Christ and His resurrection people will pick arguments.
I say this as an encouragement that opposition has always been present,
but good seed brings forth it fruit in season despite this opposition, Amen.
finally when is it blasphemy.
The early church had to deal with it all, which shows you how with even
eye-witnesses to Christ and His resurrection people will pick arguments.
I say this as an encouragement that opposition has always been present,
but good seed brings forth it fruit in season despite this opposition, Amen.
exactly peter, i looked last night and this began back in july on a post i wrote. it seems as if the belief is "that if someone doesnt confess "Jesus is God" they are somehow condemned, yet the Christians confession is that "Jesus is the Christ Gods Only begotten Son." and I have yet to see a single scripture that says the necassary confession is that He is God. I dont necassarily disagree that He is the manifestation of His Father in the Flesh, But the name God has given Him is the Son of God, who is One with the Father.
To me it is important because no one is worthy apart from the Son, to receive Gods Spirit. this is why we have to accept His Son. " in that day you will know that I am in my father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
I see the trinity this way God the Father, Jesus His Son, and the Holy spirit is sent into US. the spirit is of God, in Jesus, and He is in us. the same thinking is that Jesus is the One mediator between God and man. God the Father, Jesus, and us. Unification of God the Father who is One with Jesus, who is One with us, by the spirit. to me that is why were taught of the trinity. When Jesus began teaching about receiving the holy spirit, is when He begins talking about "remain in me"
John 14:16-20 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I AM IN MY FATHER, and YE ARE IN ME, and I IN YOU"
it is the holy spirit that unites us with Jesus, and we are united With God because He is. the importance of " the body of Christ" abiding in Him" being One with Jesus"
we always say " we are the body of Christ, but that doesnt mean that we should identify ourselves as Jesus. He is the Only Begotten, and we are children because of our faith in Him. so the trinity in my belief Is God the Father ( yaweh) Jesus His Only Son (yeshua) and the Holy spirit who is from God through Jesus into Us. and the three are One. we are nothing, But because Of God spirit in us we are children ofthe Most High God. im not sure this will make sense, but alot of things i believe dont make much sense to most people. Either way it makes perfect sens to my own Faith
To me it is important because no one is worthy apart from the Son, to receive Gods Spirit. this is why we have to accept His Son. " in that day you will know that I am in my father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
I see the trinity this way God the Father, Jesus His Son, and the Holy spirit is sent into US. the spirit is of God, in Jesus, and He is in us. the same thinking is that Jesus is the One mediator between God and man. God the Father, Jesus, and us. Unification of God the Father who is One with Jesus, who is One with us, by the spirit. to me that is why were taught of the trinity. When Jesus began teaching about receiving the holy spirit, is when He begins talking about "remain in me"
John 14:16-20 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I AM IN MY FATHER, and YE ARE IN ME, and I IN YOU"
it is the holy spirit that unites us with Jesus, and we are united With God because He is. the importance of " the body of Christ" abiding in Him" being One with Jesus"
we always say " we are the body of Christ, but that doesnt mean that we should identify ourselves as Jesus. He is the Only Begotten, and we are children because of our faith in Him. so the trinity in my belief Is God the Father ( yaweh) Jesus His Only Son (yeshua) and the Holy spirit who is from God through Jesus into Us. and the three are One. we are nothing, But because Of God spirit in us we are children ofthe Most High God. im not sure this will make sense, but alot of things i believe dont make much sense to most people. Either way it makes perfect sens to my own Faith
Just to add one more thought on this. the temple Has a most holy place where God dwells, the inner room for the preist who is the only allowed to enter the most Holy place, is able to go in and offer sacrifice for the people. if Our body is the temple, then the inner room where God dwells is in our heart, Jesus is in our hearts, and within Him is the presence of God.
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You are perfectly free to believe anything you want. What you are not free to do is claim any belief you want to be Christian when it is not. Your denial of Jesus as who He is, God, is the very reason for all of those other aberrant beliefs that you hold to and are attempting to sell as truth here on the forum. You serve as an example of why those who reject any of the essentials of the Christian faith well inevitably hold to other errant beliefs that have developed from it. That’s why the essentials are considered foundational to Christianity….because everything we believe is built upon them. Without a correct foundation based in truth, there is nowhere for you to go but wrong.
Im not vaugue on your opinions you always make them clear, what im saying is go find a scripture because opinions mean nothing unless they are in line with Gods Word, if you consider it to be heresy, im ok with that. Because I have One that Judges me, and it isnt any person on earth, it is the Word of God, thats why i stick to what is written. But you too are free to believe as you will. now that we agree, how bout move on and pester others rather than me?
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You don’t get it, these things are not debatable. Instead of arguing against them and trying to justify your heresy, you should be studying to understand them. Because these foundational beliefs of Christianity aint going change, so you are going have to. Or you can continue in your pride down that road to ruin. The choice is yours.
so go find the scriptures if you want to have any merit to correct me, go find those things I believe Gods Word. simple if what you are saying has any merit, it will be clear like this
1 john 5:1-5 "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" <<<< this is not cryptic it doesnt take a genius, pride is the reason that you see things like this and find condemnation because i agree with what is there. I lost my pride a long time ago, thats why God filled mw up with His Word, its why i stick to what is there and dont let myself stray. Go find scripture from the kjv that says something and you will then see how little pride is in me.
find something like above or this below
1 john 5:9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."<<<again really clear stuff to believe.
you have your opinions and insist i need to bend what the scripture says clearly, i do not nor will i ever let anything change what God has already changed in me. I used to have my own "views" also, but like i have been saying, the word of God transforms our thinking from wrong to right. we meet the words truth, it doesnt omit itself to meet our opinions. do you not get that im tired of always arguing? im not here to argue with you or anyone, im here in a bible discussion forum to share the word of God according to what is written in the Bible. either go get scripture or leave me be please, all you serve to do is pester me, and its not benificial for yourself or me. God Loves you though, theres no dispute about that.
if you cant find what you think in the Word of God, its not the word thats wrong. i learned that a long time ago. maybe consider these scriptures and ask yourself why you consistantly accuse me and cant seem to move on elsewhere. I dont have much else to say on the matter until you have some good clear scripture that is in context as the above are. sorry that you feel as you do against me, but lat night i looked back at posts i made in july, and every one almost there you are with the same arguments and no scripture when ive shown you hundreds. Go in peace friend, i have no ill will for you, im done arguing with you guys tho.