forgiveness according to the truth

[followjesus]

As I said, this is not debatable. These are not "optional beliefs" for Christians. Your continuing to argue against the truth only further marks you as one outside of Christianity.

Christians should believe the things that are written. heres one so you have at least an argument

isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

this isnt the same though as what the several I have given you. this is true and why i have never said that its wrong to Call Jesus God, ive been clear about that also its okay for you to believe He is God. Any Son bears the name of His Father, and Jesus is the Only Begotten Of His Father He is of God the only one who will ever be truly begotten of God. Has always been, will always be. and again, its just fine for you to believe He is God, i never have denied that, you should consider why were taught of the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit. and why Jesus wasnt going around saying " Im God" or hy theres no scripture saying Jesus is God. this above says He will be called these names, But God Has Given Him the name that is "so much greater"

hebrews 1:3-6 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?6And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."


theres a reason Jesus was always talking about His Father.

 

[mj007]

FreeNChrist what is it with you about correcting and judging people, as if you are absolute truth and knowing? I do not see you working on love for your brothers. Is there not also an important truth in that?

followjesus, in order not to add fuel to the fire, in your own humility you can let FreeNChrist have the last word. It does not make you any less in God's eyes that you turn the other cheek.

No-one here needs to exaggerate or twist each others words, but instead can find common ground rather than pointing the finger and building walls. We are supposed to take walls down, and if any of us are misguided, point each other 'kindly' in the right direction rather than be an enforcer of truth from your own perspective.

God is Love.

 

[followjesus]

Thank You, Brother Jaume,

as it is written,
'What is the greatest Commandment?'

'Hear O, Israel, The Lord our God, He is ONE'...

amen. Jesus understood that well

John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and your Father; and to MY GOD, and your God."

Jesus has a God, obeyed His God, pleased His God and was exalted By His God to sit at His right Hand.

 

[followjesus]

followjesus, in order not to add fuel to the fire, in your own humility you can let FreeNChrist have the last word. It does not make you any less in God's eyes that you turn the other cheek.

i have turned the other cheek at least 20 times. this began in July, if you wish to understand the situation look back to then in my ops Ive gone as far as ignoring the comments asking Him to place me on ignore, thats what the ignore button is for in my own view. on since july a 100 posts ago. you know? it doesnt matter even what the op is, im accused of heresy because I believe that Jesus is Gods Son..... at some point it gets tiring. But you are right though, ill add them back on ignore in order to avoid this in the future, i only removed him because i thought maybe they have let go of this .


thanks for the reminder makes me feel better about using the ignore button, i would tho consider going back through the comments they have left on nearly every op ive written so you have an understanding what causes this and where the issue lies. God bless again thanks for the word of remembrance

 

[FreeNChrist]

FreeNChrist what is it with you about correcting and judging people, as if you are absolute truth and knowing? I do not see you working on love for your brothers. Is there not also an important truth in that?

followjesus, in order not to add fuel to the fire, in your own humility you can let FreeNChrist have the last word. It does not make you any less in God's eyes that you turn the other cheek.

No-one here needs to exaggerate or twist each others words, but instead can find common ground rather than pointing the finger and building walls. We are supposed to take walls down, and if any of us are misguided, point each other 'kindly' in the right direction rather than be an enforcer of truth from your own perspective.

God is Love.

Better question. What is it with those who claim to be Christians defending heresy??

 

[PeterJens]

What I see here is FNC deciding here is an enemy, and here is the real lie he
is spreading, I have found him out.

Now it is really up to God to show up such things unless they are obvious, and in
love accept brothers as brothers. Judas was a brother until he betrayed Christ.
Christ even knew his heart, but did not expose him.

Now which example are we called to follow. FNC and others, who want to prod
and poke until someone cracks or walking in love and growing in God despite
opposition and when betrayal happens realise this is all in the Lord, bearing one
anothers sins and hurts and carrying our cross daily. Amen.

 

[Desertsrose]

Hi followjesus,

Here's something that may be helpful. I love you in the Lord and believe that at some point you'll see Jesus is God even if it takes awhile.

Question: "Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?" This is from got questions .org.

The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”

We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

Please take your time and read through these scriptures and see what you think. I believe you really do love God with all your heart and love Jesus as well. And because of that, I believe that you'll see the triune God.

In Christ's love!!!

 

[JaumeJ]

God is Who He says He is, Who He is, and if I refer to Him as God, Elohim, Yahweh, Jesus, Yeshua, Ruach Chodesh , Trinity or any of the Almighty's titles with reverence, fear and awe it is always with a clear conscience in His sight. The clear conscience in the sight of Elohim is never considered anything other than out of respect and love. Heresy? My good çness, anyone can make a case for heresy, but that is making accusations instead of showing mercy.

Do not allow anyone to say you must or must know use any of His titles if you are cleared of evil in so doing by a good conscience in the sight of God.

Remember, mankind does not, nor ever has for that matter, called upon our Father by one name, and dthis is from understandign Zephaniah when he, by the Word of Jesus, teaches us that on the day of the Lord He shall return to all a pure tongue so that we may all call upon Him with One Name..........God bless you

And do you also feel justified and certain in denying that God is Trinity?

 

[followjesus]

Hi followjesus,

Here's something that may be helpful. I love you in the Lord and believe that at some point you'll see Jesus is God even if it takes awhile.

Question: "Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?" This is from got questions .org.

The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”

We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

Please take your time and read through these scriptures and see what you think. I believe you really do love God with all your heart and love Jesus as well. And because of that, I believe that you'll see the triune God.

In Christ's love!!!

Here is my position

First its important you understand, I Love you in the Lord also and thank you . and no one who believes Jesus is God, is in in error, I have been exrtremely clear about that point. Because He is Of God, the Only one who ever has been truly Of God, or ever will truly be of God He is the Only begotten Son, The perfect Son of our perfect God (yaweh) but there is a very important distinction Between God the Father, and His Son Yeshua. Without Jesus the Son, we are not worthy to be united with God, There Is God and then The mediator, Jesus, who is the Christ and then there is Us. Without the Son, we can never come into the Presence of the Father.


"I and my Father are One" = Jesus is God to some. But what about this

John14:10" Believest thou not that I am IN the Father, and the Father IN me? the words that I speak unto you I speak NOT OF MYSELF: but the Father that dwelleth IN me, he doeth the works"

Jesus then says this after begining to explain about receiving the holy spirit

john 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I AM IN MY FATHER, and YE IN ME, and I IN YOU.".<< 3 in one because of the spirit. Who is of God, through Jesus comes into us. the 3 here are God the Father, Jesus the Son, and us and they also are One

Later when He is praying He says this

john 17:21 "That they all may be ONE; as THOU, Father, art IN ME, and I IN THEE, that THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that THOU HAST SENT ME."<<< remind you of a scripture that most of us Know?

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life."

As you say there isnt a scripture saying Jesus is God. there is some hard to discern Things spoken spoken By Jesus that can be interpreted a He is the Father. But we Know that because "He is in us and we are in Him" this doesnt mean we are Jesus, i think we understand that we the church are the body of Christ spiritually, but no one should identify thierself as Jesus Himself, or God Himself. God Lives in Jesus, and Jesus Lives in us. 3 in One all by the Holy spirit. this is why we actually are taught of the trinity, to come to the inderstanding, that we also through Jesus in us, are united with God, because Jesus is One with God, and we are One with Jesus.

im sure you have read " Jesus is the One mediator BETWEEN God and man. Jesus is the Son of God who is spirit, and the Son of man who is flesh like us. He is the One between God and man, the One who brings us into unity with God, because the spirit only comes through Jesus.

remember regarding the priests and pharisees they were looking for any reason to kill Jesus. But consider why He was crucified. He claimed to Be Gods Son and in thier minds that was claiming equality with God. consider His trial before the jewish Council He actually says He is the Son of God.

Mark 14:61- 64 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the CHRIST, the SON OF THE BLESSED? 62And Jesus said, I AM: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. 63Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? 64Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death."

So there is Jesus who cannot Lie saying I am the Son.

Then there is this at Jesus baptism.

Matthew 3:16-17 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased."

Then we see His transfiguration

Mark 9:7" And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my BELOVED SON: HEAR HIM"

So we have Gods proclamation from Heaven that Jesus is the Son. which is fulfillment of a prophecy of david.

Psalm 2:7 "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, THOU ART MY SON; this day have I begotten thee." also referenced in Hebrews 1.

Paul says this

acts 13:33 "God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that HE hath RAISED UP JESUS again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art MY SON, this day have I BEGOTTEN THEE. "

we have peters confession which Jeus blesses and says this was revealed to Him By God.

Matthew 16:15-17 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art THE CHRIST, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not REVEALED it unto thee, but MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN."

martha also makes this confession, and maybe the most compelling set of scripture as to why I personally believe He is Gods Son is from John,

1 john 5:1-5 ".Whosoever BELIEVETH THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST IS BORN OF GOD: ......V4.For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even OUR FAITH.5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he THAT BELIEVETH THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD?" << peters same confession of the faith.

Then even more convicting to me is this

1 john 5:9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for THIS IS THE WITNESS OF GOD which HE HATH TESTIFIED OF HIS SON. 10He that believeth on the SON OF GOD hath the WITNESS IN HIMSELF: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not THE RECORD THAT GOD GAVE OF HIS SON. 11And THIS IS THE RECORD THAT GOD HATH GIVEN TO US ETERNAL LIFE, AND THIS LIFE IS IN HIS SON, 12He that hath THE SON hath life; and he that hath not the SON OF GOD hath not life."

then the many things isaiah says which i dont have time to grab at the moment, but there is much in the prophets that i can grab tomorrow if its necassary. Then beyond this we have all the many times Jesus speaks of His father and tells us things like this

John 5:25-27 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.one of your references also "

then this also compels one to understand why my faith rests on the Son of God

John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER GREATER THAN I."

JOHN 20:17"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and your Father; and to MY GOD, and YOUR GOD."<< Jesus ALWAYS exalted the Father above Himself, and always says He would be axalted to sit on the right Hand of God, always made a distinction betwen Himself and God, its always " my Father, the Son"


more coming had to split the post lol

 

[followjesus]

in John 14 and 15 hes beginning to explain the holy spirit who makes Him one with God and us One with Him. which to me is why there is no plain scripture saying "Jesus is God" that is a confusing aspect when the holy spirit is in the equation to understand ( again this is only my own faith not trying to change anyones mind, just it seems no one understands why I keep at Jesus being Gods Son)


We need to remember also things Like this in acts 2


acts 2:22-24 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and FOREKNOWLEDGE (prophecy) of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24WHOM GOD HATH RAISED UP, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it."


and then a bit further down in v 36, after explainingthat david was prophesying of Jesus


"Therefore let all the house of Israel KNOW ASSUREDLY, that God hath made THAT SAME JESUS, whom ye have crucified, both LORD and CHRIST.""


then also we understand that Jesus has the inheritance of eternal Life ( john 5) and also we know all we are taught of the inheritance of His kingdom of Which paul says this


colossians 1:12-17 "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15Who is the IMAGE OF the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist"


(which refers back to " the word was with God and by Him all things were created, the word made flesh ect. which to me is like all word of God comes to pass as He says it, and the prophets were saying all along "God is going to send the Christ his son to zion the redeemer and His holy One, the annointed One" If we look back to Genesis there is evidence that Jesus was already there because we Know He is eternal but notice " let us make man in OUR image, in Our Likeness) and Jesus also says in John umm 17( i think) " Father glorify me with the glory I had before the World was"


John 5:18 "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but SAID ALSO THAT GOD WAS HIS FATHER, making himself EQUAL WITH God." << which i think is important to note that in jewish culture, the son always continued on the fathers legacy, so they looked at it as equality.
Then Paul says this concerning the spirits declaration of Jesus


Romans 1:3-4 ".Concerning HIS SON Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And DECLARED TO BE THE SON OF GOD with power, ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead"




This is maybe a 3rd of the scripture like this that I remain pretty conviced that He is Gods Son. Again though I wish to be clear I have never said He is not God, I have been accused of that, but my confession has and will remain that He is Gods Son, and also i hope you understand i do not believe it wrong to say He is or believe He is God, because it says " he will be called everlasting Father, the Mighty God" and the Son inherits His fathers name. to me tho its different than things like 1 john 5 because were told to believe that He is the Christ and Son of God unto salvation.


there is so much more but im tired and this is already a looong post. But just also when we see glimpses into Heaven in scripture there is always God on the throne, and Jesus at His right hand. in another area of consideration regarding the " word made flesh" is Jesus similitude from abel, to enoch, to melchezidek, to isaac, to moses and so on. He identifies with Gods Word from start to Finish. but never are we actually taught that Jesus is God the Father, He is One with the Father, and we are One with Jesus by the Holy spirit. pretty rambling post and probably the Last one ill make regarding why I believe that Jesus is The promised Christ, and the Son of the Living God. ive found that letting the word guide my understanding, always with prayer seems to keep me in certain areas firmly.


I took the time to show you why i believe what I do regarding Jesus, please dont think im trying to push my belief of this on you, its never been that to anyone, its always being asked or told im not believing right ( not by you) but many times in the past and my position is that i would need Some scripture regarding we need to believe and confess that Jesus is God, before i can move. as I said this is probably a little over a third of what is there, and i realize there is also things Like " my own arm will work salvation" which is why i say He is Of God, sent from God, He is eternal, was before and will always be. But my Faith rests firmly on Jesus Christ the Son of God, and these things are part of the reason why.


God bless and Keep you, sorry so long a post, its just ive probably done this 25 times in the last Year. and like i said anyone who believes He is God, is not in error.


Love your bro in Christ, Jason

 

[followjesus]

God is Who He says He is, Who He is, and if I refer to Him as God, Elohim, Yahweh, Jesus, Yeshua, Ruach Chodesh , Trinity or any of the Almighty's titles with reverence, fear and awe it is always with a clear conscience in His sight. The clear conscience in the sight of Elohim is never considered anything other than out of respect and love. Heresy? My good çness, anyone can make a case for heresy, but that is making accusations instead of showing mercy.

Do not allow anyone to say you must or must know use any of His titles if you are cleared of evil in so doing by a good conscience in the sight of God.

Remember, mankind does not, nor ever has for that matter, called upon our Father by one name, and dthis is from understandign Zephaniah when he, by the Word of Jesus, teaches us that on the day of the Lord He shall return to all a pure tongue so that we may all call upon Him with One Name..........God bless you

sorry you got dragged into this, there are a couple here that really do not like me im blessed though because others appreciate and respect my right to stay with scripture God bless you

 

[followjesus]

Hi followjesus,

Here's something that may be helpful. I love you in the Lord and believe that at some point you'll see Jesus is God even if it takes awhile.

Question: "Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?" This is from got questions .org.

The Bible never records Jesus saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”

We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason: “You, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one,” He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” Jews who heard this statement responded by taking up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded (Leviticus 24:16).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church with His own blood? Jesus Christ. And this same verse declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God,” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

Please take your time and read through these scriptures and see what you think. I believe you really do love God with all your heart and love Jesus as well. And because of that, I believe that you'll see the triune God.

In Christ's love!!!

also titus2:13 in the kjv says"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God AND Our Saviour Jesus Christ;" more of a translation issue there.

Hebrews 1 those quotes are from a prohecy of david. again unity with God, of God, bears His Fathers name ect.

 

[followjesus]

1john 2:2"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

we have an advocate with the father. which is where Jesus said he was going all along.

regarding His death being sufficient for the sins of the world, God said all along that He would put the sins of the world on the Christ as a ransom for us. thats what made it sufficient in my view, Because God was saying all this beforehand in prophecy. if God said it, its sufficient.

"O God my God" needs to be understood from the original prophecy its wouted in hebrews a couple times but the prophecy from david explains it much better. " and if you look at hebresw 1:1-2, you understand why the writer begins with : God has spoken to us through His Son" and then begins wuoting only a miniuscule amount of scripture saying He is the Son of God. God exalted Jesus to the throne, making Him equal to God sitting at His right Hand. if you look in 1 corinthians 15 you will see that when all is done, Jesus will hand the authority back to God, and that Jesus will again be made subject to God, as He was on earth before being exalted to the right Hand of God, which again makes the distinction between the Father and Son.

think " sit at my right hand UNTIL i make your enemies your footstool" and then read ch 15 in 1 conrinthians to see what Happens after all enemies are put under Jesus, He then is made again subject to God, so that God may be all in all.

considering Jesus not refusing Worship remember the Lamb who was slain and that He is exalted as the only One worthy, and appears as slain having purchased us from death. Then if we go further tomorrow i will leave som prophecy of How God had Jesus hidden in Heaven until the appointed time for His appearing after iniquity had reached its fulfillment. Jesus is eternal and divine because He is begotten of God, and was always with God He was not revealed until the proper time in Gods plan of our salvation. eternal divine with and of God, made Lord By God, bears the name of God Because He is the Son of God. but thats just my own belief that i have to remain with for conscience sake.

either way we Know that this is true

God so Loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son to save the World through Him." <<<<<if that is true then we have identified Jesus and Know assuredly that Faith in the Son of God saves us.

 

[JaumeJ]

Hey Follow Jesus......

I like the nam eyou have chosen, it is a mini-sermon saying it all, and it is just a wonderful thought.

There are so many claiming to understand who quote Paul without a thought to what is really being said. Well I have th cure for that.

Anyone who wishes to interpret Paul must learn all of what Jesus Christ teaches firsst, otherwise their understanding is vanity.

My advice to all is learn from Jesus Christ first..........or better said..........Follow Jesus, amen

 

[FreeNChrist]

God is Who He says He is, Who He is, and if I refer to Him as God, Elohim, Yahweh, Jesus, Yeshua, Ruach Chodesh , Trinity or any of the Almighty's titles with reverence, fear and awe it is always with a clear conscience in His sight. The clear conscience in the sight of Elohim is never considered anything other than out of respect and love. Heresy? My good çness, anyone can make a case for heresy, but that is making accusations instead of showing mercy.

Do not allow anyone to say you must or must know use any of His titles if you are cleared of evil in so doing by a good conscience in the sight of God.

Remember, mankind does not, nor ever has for that matter, called upon our Father by one name, and dthis is from understandign Zephaniah when he, by the Word of Jesus, teaches us that on the day of the Lord He shall return to all a pure tongue so that we may all call upon Him with One Name..........God bless you

IOW, you reject the One true God of Christianity. Got it.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Hey Follow Jesus......

I like the nam eyou have chosen, it is a mini-sermon saying it all, and it is just a wonderful thought.

There are so many claiming to understand who quote Paul without a thought to what is really being said. Well I have th cure for that.

Anyone who wishes to interpret Paul must learn all of what Jesus Christ teaches firsst, otherwise their understanding is vanity.

My advice to all is learn from Jesus Christ first..........or better said..........Follow Jesus, amen

Jesus is God. If the Jesus you are following isn't God, then He isn't Jesus.

 

[JaumeJ]

How many ways may a person say Jesus Christ is God without your coming back with something like this post?I have consistently said in my posts that Jesus Christ is God....... How are you reading my posts? They are not encrypted.

God bless you.

Jesus is God. If the Jesus you are following isn't God, then He isn't Jesus.

 

[JaumeJ]

Please show me where I have posted Jesus Christ is not God???

 

[FreeNChrist]

How many ways may a person say Jesus Christ is God without your coming back with something like this post?I have consistently said in my posts that Jesus Christ is God....... How are you reading my posts? They are not encrypted.

God bless you.

The one you are encouraging does not believe Jesus is God. Your sin is the rejection of the Trinity.

 

[JaumeJ]

I have made it clear the word, Trinity, may be used in reverence as a reference to God...... My understanding is limited to the mind of a person not yet with the Father, in His Kingdom, but to say one must only use the word Trinity to refer to God in His chose three manifestations is, frankly diabolical, since it is Saten who seeks out sin in others. May God bless you.

The one you are encouraging does not believe Jesus is God. Your sin is the rejection of the Trinity.