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When I was growing up as a child, I was told that I am part Irish, part German, and part two different tribes of American-Indian / Native-American - one from each Grandmother. ( Cherokee and whatever tribe it is that is or was historically their greatest enemy. HAHA - go figure... I am not certain I remember what the other tribe was. ) Enough so - that I am eligible ( so I am told ) for some government 'programs' -- none of which I have ever applied for - or even so much as looked into. This is because I believe that "local community" should take care of people - not the goverment.
I'm not sure when the whole, I am whatever nationality American. If you're born here, yes I'm sure you have ancestors from another country but if you're born here you're American. I don't use the term Swedish American because my Mom immigrated from Sweden. I was born here in America. How did the whole thing start?
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As a rule, you see more in the smaller towns, and less in the big cities...
Most white folks would call this "a drop in the bucket" compared to what Willie is suggesting...
I think we have already established a consensus that there are "rude and immature" people everywhere - in every 'group'.
Willie is suggesting that "the sheer numbers" are "very telling"...
What about the 'countless' whites that do not?
Most white folks would call this "a drop in the bucket" compared to what Willie is suggesting...
I think we have already established a consensus that there are "rude and immature" people everywhere - in every 'group'.
Willie is suggesting that "the sheer numbers" are "very telling"...
What about the 'countless' whites that do not?
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I think the problem, or a big part of it, lies with the internal servers of individuals
people are simply not honest with themselves so how on earth are they going to stretch themselves to actually reach into another person?
I'm probably overly introspective and I didn't read the whole thread, but I did read the op and this post of yours
what do think about that?
now I'll go back and skim over the posts
people are simply not honest with themselves so how on earth are they going to stretch themselves to actually reach into another person?
I'm probably overly introspective and I didn't read the whole thread, but I did read the op and this post of yours
what do think about that?
now I'll go back and skim over the posts
( They are too "self-absorbed" to be able to care enough about others. )
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Your point is a good one with regard to the use of language today. However, there is one thing you are missing when you start talking about "what the Bible says"...
In the Hebrew and Greek languages, the "sense and tense" of words include a more extensive and detailed definition - as compared to words generally used in the English language today.
With regard to your above illustration -- in the Hebrew or Greek -- the word usage will actually indicate "which" idea is being presented...
That being said -- please - let's keep this thread 'on-track' -- and, discuss 'move' - and, other similar things - in a more appropriate thread.
( i.e. - by-all-means - "move" the 'move' discussion to a Flat Earth thread...? )
In the Hebrew and Greek languages, the "sense and tense" of words include a more extensive and detailed definition - as compared to words generally used in the English language today.
With regard to your above illustration -- in the Hebrew or Greek -- the word usage will actually indicate "which" idea is being presented...
That being said -- please - let's keep this thread 'on-track' -- and, discuss 'move' - and, other similar things - in a more appropriate thread.
( i.e. - by-all-means - "move" the 'move' discussion to a Flat Earth thread...? )
It started with "African-American" in the 70s, if I remember correctly...
Your point is a good one with regard to the use of language today. However, there is one thing you are missing when you start talking about "what the Bible says"...
In the Hebrew and Greek languages, the "sense and tense" of words include a more extensive and detailed definition - as compared to words generally used in the English language today.
With regard to your above illustration -- in the Hebrew or Greek -- the word usage will actually indicate "which" idea is being presented...
In the Hebrew and Greek languages, the "sense and tense" of words include a more extensive and detailed definition - as compared to words generally used in the English language today.
With regard to your above illustration -- in the Hebrew or Greek -- the word usage will actually indicate "which" idea is being presented...
You and I have no argument, but you may have misunderstood my point.
Regardless of the particular language, this issue of equivocation still occurs.
Equivocation always occurs because man is fallen.
Whenever people want to prove their preconceived beliefs, and ignore context, they will always "equivocate" by picking only the sense of a word which suits their purpose. They will even pretend that no other senses of the word exist. This occurs irrespective of the context. That is the whole point. People ignore context to prove their own fallacies.
Greek is more precise, and Hebrew is much more vague... yet words still have various senses and definitions which are INHERENT IN CONTEXT, but which will be IGNORED BY THOSE WITH AGENDAS.
My point was not that words have no precise sense within their context;
my point is that people IGNORE the precise sense by IGNORING the context.
You and I have no argument here.
One last bit of derailment before I exit, and leave everyone in peace.
Although Greek is extremely precise, equivocation even happens in Greek.
It has ALWAYS happened in Greek.
It was primarily Aristotle who codified the logic principles which address, and thwart, rhetorical issues like equivocation.
They had these SAME SEMANTIC PROBLEMS back in ancient Greece.
Mankind hasn't really changed very much.
RACISM & SOCIAL ISSUES:
BTW... if you guys take a look at the WORDS and LANGUAGE used in current social issues like RACISM... you'll see people being manipulated by these same linguistic tricks.
The same language tricks from thousands of years ago are still being used today... to confuse and manipulate people.
There is nothing new under the sun.
Although Greek is extremely precise, equivocation even happens in Greek.
It has ALWAYS happened in Greek.
It was primarily Aristotle who codified the logic principles which address, and thwart, rhetorical issues like equivocation.
They had these SAME SEMANTIC PROBLEMS back in ancient Greece.
Mankind hasn't really changed very much.
RACISM & SOCIAL ISSUES:
BTW... if you guys take a look at the WORDS and LANGUAGE used in current social issues like RACISM... you'll see people being manipulated by these same linguistic tricks.
The same language tricks from thousands of years ago are still being used today... to confuse and manipulate people.
There is nothing new under the sun.
"Never mind..."
I misread your post originally.
I understand what you are saying.
I misread your post originally.
I understand what you are saying.
The LA Times has been running a series of articles about how black and latino communities in Los Angeles are complaining about whites moving in. Ruining the neighborhoods, they claim.