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Gotta hold to the Neitherist camp, but only because it may be logical that both are correct to a large extent. We are not Robots and we do not have complete free reign to the point of breech to God's perfect will. Omniscience has to become part of the discussion. He knows the end from the beginning and all in between, so did He author the end from the beginning? All of it? Some of it? How much of it? What bothers me (maybe us) the most is we don't get to know in this realm, at least not for sure.
My earliest memories always include a belief in Jesus. That may be because both parents played guitar and sang in churches, and then had me sing too. Jesus wants me for a sunbeam is the song I remember.
So am thinking that just belief will save us...but what I think we experience as the new birth is the breaking of the bondages of sin when we are faced with a choice of "which way will we go". That is when we receive Him as Lord, though we may not know at the time what has happened. He does draw. He knows His own.
I've thought much about this and struggle yet to understand why there is wicked. Family ancestral lines? Could it be? Am leaning towards a yes.
Why do I think that just believing that Jesus died and rose from the dead for my sin? Two reasons...the thief crucified..
and the scripture...Romans 10. The things that come after? Water baptism, Spirit baptism...His leading too.
We all have a call and He leads us to it. We make it sure with our choices.
We cannot say who goes to heaven by outward appearances.
So am thinking that just belief will save us...but what I think we experience as the new birth is the breaking of the bondages of sin when we are faced with a choice of "which way will we go". That is when we receive Him as Lord, though we may not know at the time what has happened. He does draw. He knows His own.
I've thought much about this and struggle yet to understand why there is wicked. Family ancestral lines? Could it be? Am leaning towards a yes.
Why do I think that just believing that Jesus died and rose from the dead for my sin? Two reasons...the thief crucified..
and the scripture...Romans 10. The things that come after? Water baptism, Spirit baptism...His leading too.
We all have a call and He leads us to it. We make it sure with our choices.
We cannot say who goes to heaven by outward appearances.
Hi Depleted: Jonah is a bad example of one being saved because he clearly did not want to do what God wanted him to do but was forced into it. God never forced anyone into being a Christian. I thought out my decision carefully before accepting Christ as Savior, God won me over with His love and reason. At one point I begin to back away and God allowed me to see in a moment of time what would happen if I chose to reject Christ rather then to receive Him. The Lord went way out of His way to gave me a chance to be saved...but I still had to say yes.
Sorry, was a bit dense...lightbulb just lit.
I don't believe anyone has free will. We all have to answer to someone for choices....and we are either under satanic influence or under Gods.
We are drawn by Him...and at a moment in time...freed to make a choice. Is how I see this. Just me, not a doctrine that I know of...not trying to make one either. lol
I don't believe anyone has free will. We all have to answer to someone for choices....and we are either under satanic influence or under Gods.
We are drawn by Him...and at a moment in time...freed to make a choice. Is how I see this. Just me, not a doctrine that I know of...not trying to make one either. lol
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So, really? Bible DISCUSSION Forum should be Preach to Me Forum or Let's Argue Forum? Absolutely no one should ever come on here unless they know everything about whatever they start as a post?
Really defeats the purpose for posting for me. If I already know it all, why ask?
Just because I understand my side never means I understand the other side.
I get the two sides are You choose God or God chooses you. I simply have no idea how robots or puppets got into the equation. Is that so hard for you to comprehend?
And, if not, then please explain it to me instead of constantly pretending you're above it all.
Really defeats the purpose for posting for me. If I already know it all, why ask?
Just because I understand my side never means I understand the other side.
I get the two sides are You choose God or God chooses you. I simply have no idea how robots or puppets got into the equation. Is that so hard for you to comprehend?
And, if not, then please explain it to me instead of constantly pretending you're above it all.
People are robots in that thru repetition they build neural pathways in their brains. Most often they are roads built into the emotional region of the brain because of traumatic events and this is why you see so many people make emotional decisions. kinda like the dog walking up to the fire hydrant. There is no thought involved. Just the ingrained reaction....an automatic trip down the well rutted road.
