Does Christian music have to sound like Sunday morning?What about Saturday afternoon?

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And this one reaches me on an entirely different level.
[video=youtube;lnNIp1Q4wsM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnNIp1Q4wsM[/video]
Wow great song Willie, and the video was amazing to say the least, the wonderment of His creations.. :cool:
 

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Is God glorified? Is the message of the cross and Christ's great love for us portrayed? Is our hopeless state in the unregenerated natural man before a perfect, holy, just, eternal, supreme and sovreign God part of the message? Can I understand what they are saying? What is the point of lyrics if I can't even make out what they are saying, or cannot relate to what they are saying? Rap music? Uh, me no relate in most cases. There is a Canadian band I like called Manafest that has a bit of a rap sound, but they are not anything like what I heard in the sample video.

[video=youtube;HZuE4Burgqg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZuE4Burgqg[/video]


 

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[video=youtube;ab4hOK6Yias]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab4hOK6Yias[/video]
 

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[video=youtube;r6w5szlpedY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6w5szlpedY[/video]
 

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[video=youtube;LuvfMDhTyMA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuvfMDhTyMA&list=PLVoREHioRfsrF0iXZfTDEHk-foSp1mtjv&index=6[/video]
 

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[video=youtube;EtyVdC7E6Wo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtyVdC7E6Wo&index=12&list=LLTvu-xnvRSiHowl6ulOSgsw[/video]
 
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Years ago, in the CoC, our song Leader told this story written by James E. Kiefer.
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In the years immediately after the Protestant Reformation, non-Roman Churches in the West were divided on the question of hymns. The Lutherans and Moravians immediately began to develop a rich tradition of hymns in the vernacular. Most of those in the Calvinist tradition, on the other hand, maintained that God had provided His people with a set of inspired hymns in Holy Scripture, chiefly in the Psalms, and that it was not for us to pronounce His work incomplete or inadequate and set about to write our own. Accordingly, they wrote verse translations of the Psalms and sang these instead of hymns.

In the English Church, the theory was with the Lutherans, but the practice was with the Calvinists. The early Anglican reformers wanted very much to have English hymns in their worship, but none of them had a particle of talent when it came to writing hymns in English verse, and they had the taste and the humility to recognize that their efforts were unacceptably bad. So they refrained from writing hymns, and the Calvinists produced Psalms in verse, and these became by default the hymns used by all parties for worship in English.

The Whole Book of Psalms, published in 1562, went through 78 editions before 1600, and is called the Old Version. Only one psalm from it (as far as I know) is still in common use. It is a paraphrase of Psalm 100, sung to the tune known as "Old Hundred" or "The Doxology" ("Praise God from Whom all blessings flow"). It begins

All people that on earth do dwell,
Sing to the Lord with cheerful voice.
Him serve with mirth; His praise forth tell.
Come ye before Him and rejoice.

In 1696 Nahum Tate and Nicholas Brady produced the New Version, which was used side by side with the Old Version for many years. Hymns from the New Version which are still in use today include the four with the following first lines:

While shepherds watched their flocks by night
O 'twas a joyful sound to hear
From lowest depths of woe (or: My soul with patience waits)
As pants the hart for cooling streams

And so matters stood until, in 1674, Isaac Watts was born in Southampton. Because his family were Dissenters or Non-Conformists (i.e. Protestants who did not think that the Church of England had departed sufficiently from the beliefs and practices of Rome, and who accordingly refused to conform to it), he did not attend Oxford or Cambridge, but instead was educated at the Dissenting Academy in Stoke Newington, London, until 1694. He then began a two-year period of writing, of which more later. In 1696 he became tutor and chaplain to the family of Sir John Hartopp of Leicestershire. In 1699 he became assistant minister at Mark Lane Independent (i.e. Congregational) Chapel in London, and full pastor in 1702. Then his health failed. In 1712 he was invited to spend a week at the home of the wealthy Dissenter Sir Thomas Abney in Hertfordshire. He ended up staying there for the rest of his life, devoting himself to writing. His works included, Logic, Or the Right Use of Reason in the Enquiry After Truth, a standard text at Oxford and elsewhere for several generations. His poems and songs for children were extremely popular, and became the object of parody in Alice in Wonderland (where "How doth the little busy bee improve each shining hour," became, "How doth the little crocodile improve his shining tail"). He died 25 November 1748.

(Note on the wealthy Dissenter: Because they could not study at Oxford or Cambridge, or go into professions such as law or the established clergy, bright young men of Dissenting families usually went into business or science or technology instead, and had a tendency to become prosperous. The wealthy Nonconformist is (or was) a standard British stereotype.)

Even as a small boy, Watts had a great interest in versifying. Once, during family prayers, he began to laugh. His father asked him why. He replied that he had heard a sound and opened his eyes to see a mouse climbing a rope in a corner, and had immediately thought,

A little mouse for want of stairs
Ran up a rope to say its prayers.

His father thought this irreverent, and proceeded to administer corporal punishment, in the midst of which Isaac called out,

Father, father, mercy take,
And I will no more verses make.

When he was older, he complained of the bad quality of writing in the metrical Psalters of his day. His father promptly challenged him to do better, and he undertook the effort. During his lifetime he wrote about 600 hymns altogether, but most of his best efforts were turned out between his graduation from school when he was 20 and his taking a job teaching when he was 22. During these two Golden Years, hymns poured from his pen with the impetus of true genius.

Glancing at several hymnals (Anglican, Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian), I find at least the following 43 hymns of his in common use today.

Alas, and did my Savior bleed

Am I a soldier of the cross

Before th'Eternal's awesome throne 100

Begin, my tongue, some heavenly theme

Blest be the everlasting God

Blest morning, whose first dawning rays

Come, dearest Lord, descend and dwell

Come, Holy Spirit, heavenly Dove

Come, let us join our cheerful songs * Come we that love the Lord

From all that dwell below the skies 117

Give to our God immortal praise 136

Give us the wings of faith to rise

High in the heavens, eternal God

How bright these glorious spirits shine

How wondrous great, how glorious bright

Hush, my dear, lie still and slumber
* I sing th'almighty power of God
* I'll praise my maker while I've breath 146

I'm not ashamed to own my Lord
* It happened on that fateful night
* Jesus shall reign where'er the sun 72
* Join all the glorious names
* Joy to the world! the Lord is come 98

Let children hear the mighty deeds 128

Lord, in the morning Thou shalt hear 5

Lord of the worlds above 84

My God, how endless is thy love

My shepherd will supply my need 23 * Nature with open volume stands

Now to the King of Heaven * O God, our help in ages past 90

Oh, bless the Lord, my soul 103

Oh that the Lord would guide my ways 119

Sweet is the work, my God, my King 92

The heavens declare Thy glory, Lord 19

There is a land of pure delight

This is the day the Lord hath made 118

To Him Who sits opon the throne

What offering shall we give

When I can read my title clear * When I survey the wondrous cross

With songs and honors sounding loud 147
 

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[video=youtube;6hKi_XGLaCw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hKi_XGLaCw[/video]
 

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All these songs great posts, leave me speechless,, :cool:

[video=youtube;IlK0jRcjFuY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlK0jRcjFuY[/video]
 
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The music and the singing and all that is Staged and Choreographed, entertainment.
The God of the bible is Holy. He is not common.
If it looks like the world and sounds like the world, it's of the world.
 
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The music and the singing and all that is Staged and Choreographed, entertainment.
The God of the bible is Holy. He is not common.
If it looks like the world and sounds like the world, it's of the world.
I'll bet you would have had a lot to say about the whole scene of Jesus pulling a coin out of a fishes mouth to pay taxes with.... or kneeling down to rather theatrically write in the sand. LOL

May I say you sound like you are just spouting a lot of what you think will make your speech sound somehow Biblical or something?
 
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I'll bet you would have had a lot to say about the whole scene of Jesus pulling a coin out of a fishes mouth to pay taxes with.... or kneeling down to rather theatrically write in the sand. LOL

May I say you sound like you are just spouting a lot of what you think will make your speech sound somehow Biblical or something?
Did Jesus pull coin out of the mouth of fish?
Sound biblical. Better than be worldly.
 
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Though not like today songs a hymn a song is a song regardless of the times.. :)

Matt 26:30
When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.
 
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The music and the singing and all that is Staged and Choreographed, entertainment.
The God of the bible is Holy. He is not common.
If it looks like the world and sounds like the world, it's of the world.
Well Jesus loved to sit with sinners, tax collectors, pharisees and the like, spoke some words and afew hymn's as well.

In your opinion what is worldly music?
 
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Well Jesus loved to sit with sinners, tax collectors, pharisees and the like, spoke some words and afew hymn's as well.

In your opinion what is worldly music?
He also rebuked those who turned the house of God into a den of thieves.
Worldly music: of the world.

 
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Did Jesus pull coin out of the mouth of fish?
Sound biblical. Better than be worldly.
If a man stood in front of a crowd of tax protesters today, and pulled a coin out of a fish's mouth for them to go pay those taxes with.... would you call him Biblical, or a show-off entertainer?
 

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If a man stood in front of a crowd of tax protesters today, and pulled a coin out of a fish's mouth for them to go pay those taxes with.... would you call him Biblical, or a show-off entertainer?
Sounds like an act in Vegas.
 
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He also rebuked those who turned the house of God into a den of thieves.
Worldly music: of the world.

Is Christian music in the world or is it something we can't hear and only of the spiritual realm.

I'm still not quite understanding what is worldly music in your view?