Have you believed the false grace message?
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I wouldn't. I would pray that God saves them and reveals His truth and love. Then trust in faith that GOD will give me words and wisdom to do whatever He wills that will accomplish that or move others in their life to water or replant the seed until the plant of salvation grows strong with deep roots and bears fruit.
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Where your heart is....there your treasure will be also. Is peter not telling us about his struggle with material possessions? 
This thread is not helping my headache.
Eternal life is to KNOW the Father and Him. Surely the knowing of Him IS a thing to grasp for my own. It is not a person, it is knowing God. And I should grasp it with all my being. For in knowing Him we have eternal life.
But not one who has eternal life. The branch that is cut off from the vine is one that is not really a true part of the vine, one that is not receiving life from the vine. It NEVER had eternal life..
Absolutely,
Absolutely.
true.
But you are still abiding, Otherwise you have been cut off.
Once you are cut off there can be no abiding.
You SHOULD keep abiding according to Jesus. It is the way of fruitfulness.
a child is not cut off because he has the wrong ideas.
lol but I don't think that. you may 'fall from grace' doctrinally, It doesn't mean you have ACTUALLY fallen from grace.
But not one who has eternal life. The branch that is cut off from the vine is one that is not really a true part of the vine, one that is not receiving life from the vine. It NEVER had eternal life..
Absolutely,
Absolutely.
true.
But you are still abiding, Otherwise you have been cut off.
Once you are cut off there can be no abiding.
You SHOULD keep abiding according to Jesus. It is the way of fruitfulness.
a child is not cut off because he has the wrong ideas.
lol but I don't think that. you may 'fall from grace' doctrinally, It doesn't mean you have ACTUALLY fallen from grace.
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I will state that doctrine matter and understanding others doctrinal positions is important to have productive and edifying dialog.
Some dislike labeling their beliefs doctrine, as much as they dislike traditional churches.
You can call it by another name of you prefer: teachings, precepts, laws, etc.
We have essential doctrine that is the gospel message. This is what people believe will send you to hell or allow you to be accepted in heaven.
And we have nonessential doctrine like the end times debates and fulfillment of prophecy.
I have been observing many people's stated beliefs and most of the arguments are fueled by hurt feelings and defensive comments.
Everyone agrees with more than they disagree with.
I could make my observations known but that probably wouldn't help.
Some dislike labeling their beliefs doctrine, as much as they dislike traditional churches.
You can call it by another name of you prefer: teachings, precepts, laws, etc.
We have essential doctrine that is the gospel message. This is what people believe will send you to hell or allow you to be accepted in heaven.
And we have nonessential doctrine like the end times debates and fulfillment of prophecy.
I have been observing many people's stated beliefs and most of the arguments are fueled by hurt feelings and defensive comments.
Everyone agrees with more than they disagree with.
I could make my observations known but that probably wouldn't help.
Eternal life! But I can't divorce it from the rest of scripture. I have that eternal life because I have the Son and I abide in Him and He abides in me. It all began by this faith, this trust, this abiding. And just as it would be foolish to think I could finish in the flesh what began in faith and the receiving of the Spirit, it would be equally as bad to think it could be finished at all WITHOUT that faith, trust, abiding.
But I can't divorce it from the rest of scripture. I have that eternal life because I have the Son and I abide in Him and He abides in me. It all began by this faith, this trust, this abiding. And just as it would be foolish to think I could finish in the flesh what began in faith and the receiving of the Spirit, it would be equally as bad to think it could be finished at all WITHOUT that faith, trust, abiding.
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Eternal life! But I can't divorce it from the rest of scripture. I have that eternal life because I have the Son and I abide in Him and He abides in me. It all began by this faith, this trust, this abiding. And just as it would be foolish to think I could finish in the flesh what began in faith and the receiving of the Spirit, it would be equally as bad to think it could be finished at all WITHOUT that faith, trust, abiding.
But I can't divorce it from the rest of scripture. I have that eternal life because I have the Son and I abide in Him and He abides in me. It all began by this faith, this trust, this abiding. And just as it would be foolish to think I could finish in the flesh what began in faith and the receiving of the Spirit, it would be equally as bad to think it could be finished at all WITHOUT that faith, trust, abiding.
The word "abide" comes from the Greek word "meno" which means to remain, not to depart, continue to be present. Abiding is not something that only super saints do or those who claim to have reached sinless perfection.
1 John 4:15 - Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
1 John 4:15 - Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.
Eternal life! But I can't divorce it from the rest of scripture. I have that eternal life because I have the Son and I abide in Him and He abides in me. It all began by this faith, this trust, this abiding. And just as it would be foolish to think I could finish in the flesh what began in faith and the receiving of the Spirit, it would be equally as bad to think it could be finished at all WITHOUT that faith, trust, abiding.
But I can't divorce it from the rest of scripture. I have that eternal life because I have the Son and I abide in Him and He abides in me. It all began by this faith, this trust, this abiding. And just as it would be foolish to think I could finish in the flesh what began in faith and the receiving of the Spirit, it would be equally as bad to think it could be finished at all WITHOUT that faith, trust, abiding.