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You don't believe that the Lord Jesus Christ paid for all sin?
Jesus Christ paid the wages of sin.
Unbelievers don't pay the wages of their sin. They pay the wages of rejecting Him who paid for their sins.
The unbeliever sitting next to us in church has his sins paid for. He pays the wages of rejecting the fact that his sins are paid for.......eternal consequence.
Jesus Christ paid the wages of sin.
Unbelievers don't pay the wages of their sin. They pay the wages of rejecting Him who paid for their sins.
The unbeliever sitting next to us in church has his sins paid for. He pays the wages of rejecting the fact that his sins are paid for.......eternal consequence.
Why would you ask me that? What have I ever said that gave you the impression that I reject that Jesus' death on the cross paid the sin debt, with the pouring out of His righteous blood to reconcile us to God? I repeatedly affirm it.
Amen, praise God.
Jesus called that the unforgivable sin.
The second death lasts forever. Body and soul are utterly destroyed.
The lost perish and are no more.
Strong's concordance word #622 Perish
apollumi: to destroy, destroy utterly
Original Word: ἀπόλλυμι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apollumi
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol'-loo-mee)
Short Definition: I destroy, lose, am perishing
Definition: (a) I kill, destroy, (b) I lose, mid: I am perishing (the resultant death being viewed as certain).HELPS
Word-studies
622 apóllymi (from 575 /apó, "away from," which intensifies ollymi, "to destroy") – properly, fully destroy, cutting off entirely (note the force of the prefix, 575 /apó).
622 /apóllymi ("violently/completely perish") implies permanent (absolute) destruction, i.e. to cancel out (remove); "to die, with the implication of ruin and destruction" (L & N, 1, 23.106); cause to be lost (utterly perish) by experiencing a miserable end.
Amen, praise God.
Jesus called that the unforgivable sin.
The second death lasts forever. Body and soul are utterly destroyed.
The lost perish and are no more.
Strong's concordance word #622 Perish
apollumi: to destroy, destroy utterly
Original Word: ἀπόλλυμι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: apollumi
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol'-loo-mee)
Short Definition: I destroy, lose, am perishing
Definition: (a) I kill, destroy, (b) I lose, mid: I am perishing (the resultant death being viewed as certain).HELPS
Word-studies
622 apóllymi (from 575 /apó, "away from," which intensifies ollymi, "to destroy") – properly, fully destroy, cutting off entirely (note the force of the prefix, 575 /apó).
622 /apóllymi ("violently/completely perish") implies permanent (absolute) destruction, i.e. to cancel out (remove); "to die, with the implication of ruin and destruction" (L & N, 1, 23.106); cause to be lost (utterly perish) by experiencing a miserable end.
Yes the first thing that occurs is universal Alzheimer’s, a product of living in a corrupted body . Just like our eye sight, or hearing, or new fears.
Therefore for those who have been given a new spirit that could never die when we awaken on the last day, the things of this world, under the sun.. they will not be remembered or ever come to mind. There will be no sadness of the loss of a loved one. It is something we can experience under the sun now.
The dead that will not arise to new spirit life they would have no memory of what they suffering for. What would be the outcome if their memories were not removed? It a gracious thing that our memory of them does not vanish the other way around.. Our memories of them can comfort and encourage us on this side of the Sun (the time keeper).
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ecc 9:5
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor
Its why one of the new songs by Megan Trainer should be worked into our lives daily it is called; "I am going to love you like I am gonna to lose you" .Now is the time God accepts are good works.
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Because your saying that the wages of sin is death. Jesus Christ paid that wage for ALL.
So the wage an unbeliever pays is not for their sin.
Your arguing from a false premise. The wages of sin is death. and Jesus Christ paid that.
So it is not the wages of sin that an unbeliever pays in the end. It's much bigger than that.
So the wage an unbeliever pays is not for their sin.
Your arguing from a false premise. The wages of sin is death. and Jesus Christ paid that.
So it is not the wages of sin that an unbeliever pays in the end. It's much bigger than that.
I would agree, Catholics need to believe the dead know something seeing necromancy is the foundation that Catholicism is built on. Otherwise what would be the purpose of the Pope electing what they call patron saints (3500 and rising)as disembodied spirits , why would they as did Rachel need an idol image (teraphim) to put a face on the legion when it comes up since the father of lies does come up as many as to his name ?
Gen 31:19 And Laban went to shear his sheep: and Rachel had stolen the images that were her father's.
Gen 31:19 And Laban went to shear his sheep: and Rachel had stolen the images that were her father's.
Good day Utah,
I believe that even unbelievers still have some part of God in them that they don't realize. And when they are judged at the great white throne judgment and the final separation takes place, I believe that they will experience something unexpected, i.e. the complete absence of God from their being. I don't think that is something that we can even fathom. It will be an emptiness that cannot be described.
Though I believe that complete separation from God will be the worst part of condemning judgment, in addition to this, the torment of eternal fire in a resurrected body that cannot be burned up or annihilated will needless to say, not be endurable.
To be burned up as soon as one hits the fire would be no punishment at all. People commit suicide for that very purpose, thinking that as soon as they kill themselves, they fade to black, becoming non-existent. Needless to say, once they've accomplished this, they realize that they have made a great error in assuming this, as they find that though their body is dead, their spirit/soul continues on, either in the presence of Christ or in Hades in torment in flame, just like the rich man.
I believe that even unbelievers still have some part of God in them that they don't realize. And when they are judged at the great white throne judgment and the final separation takes place, I believe that they will experience something unexpected, i.e. the complete absence of God from their being. I don't think that is something that we can even fathom. It will be an emptiness that cannot be described.
Though I believe that complete separation from God will be the worst part of condemning judgment, in addition to this, the torment of eternal fire in a resurrected body that cannot be burned up or annihilated will needless to say, not be endurable.
To be burned up as soon as one hits the fire would be no punishment at all. People commit suicide for that very purpose, thinking that as soon as they kill themselves, they fade to black, becoming non-existent. Needless to say, once they've accomplished this, they realize that they have made a great error in assuming this, as they find that though their body is dead, their spirit/soul continues on, either in the presence of Christ or in Hades in torment in flame, just like the rich man.
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