If EVERYONE is forgiven then what is Heaven like?

[Roughsoul1991]

Some of you guy's seen to be arguing over repentance like you'll go to hell if you don't repent im saying that grown adults that are fully aware of the possibility of Heaven and hell and choose to gamble their souls that God will forgive them don't deserve to go to Heaven that's my opinion and I could be way off but that just seems like they are trying to take advantage of God and I think that that is wrong.

And im not saying that im pefect or better than anyone else there are many people just like me who are so afraid of hell that they choose to not gamble their souls to basically have fun.

Im not trying to be argumentative but I asked if only the people with evidence answer this post many of you just got offended and answered without common sense to clarify your position.

Look I've gambled my life that God is real and what He says in the Bible He means literally it's not supposed to be interpreted by us to fit our lives.

That sounds kinda mystic but in light of current events in the world I don't think that it is what is mystic is people not giving solid reasoning behind ther answers.

Like I sayed I don't think that peoples salvation is in my hands but some seem to think so.

[h=1]John 14:15Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]15 “If you love Me, you will keep[a] My commands.

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[h=1]Matthew 7:14Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]14 How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it.

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[h=1]1 John 1:5-10Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][h=3]Fellowship with God[/h][FONT=&quot]5 Now this is the message we have heard from Him and declare to you: God is light, and there is absolutely no darkness in Him. 6 If we say, “We have fellowship with Him,” yet we walk in darkness, we are lying and are not practicing[a] the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of JesusHis Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say, “We have no sin,” we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say, “We don’t have any sin,” we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

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[h=1]1 John 2:15-17Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]15 Do not love the world or the things that belong to[a] the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in him. 16 For everything that belongs to[b] the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride in one’s lifestyle—is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 And the world with its lust is passing away, but the one who does God’s will remains forever.

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[h=1]2 Corinthians 6:1New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3][/h][FONT=&quot]6 We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain.

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[h=1]Romans 6New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

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[h=1]Hebrews 10:26-30Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]26 For if we deliberately sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire about to consume the adversaries. 28 If anyone disregards Moses’ law, he dies without mercy, based on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment do you think one will deserve who has trampled on the Son of God, regarded as profane[a] the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know the One who has said, Vengeance belongs to Me, I will repay,[b][c] and again, The Lord will judge His people.[/FONT]

 

[imfinallyfree]

Thank you im looking forward to that.
Now your reply isn't all mystic opinion and I really appreciate that.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

And I know that some of you that think that in a saint sent to save you well these are my beliefs they always have been (since I took the question of heaven and hell seriously anyway) and they always will be even if you torture me trying to MAKE me save you,that's probably whats about to happen,that cult told these drunk degenerates that are going to hell because they deserve it that it's MY JOB to "save" EVERYONE it's not.

Im sitting in a house full of drunk freeloaders that not only took advantage of the government themselves but taught their children to do the same and I hope that they go to hell for it even if they are my family.

There are people that worked and payed taxes all of their lives to support these people as penance for something that their ancestors did generations ago THATS WRONG especially because many of the people are now starving and homeless many don't even owe anything because they aren't even from the same gene pool as those that might owe(I don't think that they do anymore).

My own family will probably start torturing me in a drunken rage because this satanic cult told them that im obligated to save them and EVERYONE or they go to hell.

I still will never change my belief.

Some of you are saying that all that is necessary is repentance but what about all of the damage thats already been done? My family is a perfect example my aunt gets free food which isn't free tax paying hard working Americans pay for that,she uses that food to feed all these grown adults that have spent their lives taking advantage of the US in fact she's having another big party now where she cooks up food that is supposed to last 2 people 2 weeks in one night to feed her partyers.

She and I are living in a brand new house that in a non reservation community would cost $2500 a month her and my ma are only paying $400 a month because of what the white people did generations ago....thats nonsense!!!!

By some of your guy's reasoning they deserve a chance to repent but what about the damage done?

People aren't homeless now just because of the real estate crises NO people like my family are partially responsible for entire families children and elderly being out there....dying out there! They deserve a chance at Heaven?

Even though they are aware that it's the end of the world they are STILL breaking the law taking free stuff from the government AND PARTYING IT ALL UP!

They deserve a chance at Heaven? I disagree.

I could be completely wrong about this that's why im asking your guy's opinions.

God forgives you for when you honestly seek forgiveness and he wouldn't be just if he didn't do that to others. But he judges the heart and the heart is where is counts. But really we should be focused on loving the ones around us and praying that they will understand that a true love for God will look like in a sense a true love for a spouse. We will want to self-sacrifice for the other so that they may feel loved. Denying of ones self is the ultimate picture of love for another.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

[h=1]Luke 9:23Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone wants to come with[a] Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross daily,[b] and follow Me.[/FONT]

 

[Roughsoul1991]

God doesnt want his followers to be lukewarm or forget the love they first had and become dormant.

[h=1]Revelation 3:16Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit[a] you out of My mouth.

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[h=1]Revelation 2:2-7Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]2 I know your works, your labor, and your endurance, and that you cannot tolerate evil. You have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and you have found them to be liars. 3 You also possess endurance and have tolerated many things because of My name and have not grown weary. 4 But I have this against you: You have abandoned the love you had at first. 5 Remember then how far you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. Otherwise, I will come to you[a] and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.6 Yet you do have this: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 “Anyone who has an ear should listen to what the Spirit says to the churches. I will give the victor the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in[b] God’s paradise.


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[Roughsoul1991]

[h=1]Galatians 4:6Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of His Son into our[a]hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”


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[h=1]Galatians 5:16-26Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][h=3]The Spirit versus the Flesh[/h][FONT=&quot]16 I say then, walk by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit desires what is against the flesh; these are opposed to each other, so that you don’t do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious:[a][b] sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, 21 envy,[c]drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,[d] 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the fleshwith its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, we must also follow the Spirit. 26 We must not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.[/FONT]

 

[imfinallyfree]

God left me with no help im surrounded by corruption everywhere that I go in fact it's following me.

Thanks for the versus I'll keep them for the really bad times.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

God left me with no help im surrounded by corruption everywhere that I go in fact it's following me.

Thanks for the versus I'll keep them for the really bad times.

I would say surrounded by opportunity as for the reason it may be following you. The Spirit may be trying to move you to shedding the light of God into these dark corrupt areas. And we should do all things in love.

 

[imfinallyfree]

I know that I sound conceited but im not, I really did live my adult life out of fear of hell so I guess that im a coward but thats ok with me.

I kinda come off like conceited I giess but many of you spoiled non believers on God by not taking His advice seriously while pointing at non believers and calling then sinners,satanists etc. So I do feel a bit of animosity towards some of you.

I mean now that it looks like it's all true what's written in the Bible people are changing after doing so damage to this world,for some reason that pisses me off to no end.

I have ADHD and Bi Polar so that probably has something to do with it because I was never religious befor.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I know that I sound conceited but im not, I really did live my adult life out of fear of hell so I guess that im a coward but thats ok with me.

I kinda come off like conceited I giess but many of you spoiled non believers on God by not taking His advice seriously while pointing at non believers and calling then sinners,satanists etc. So I do feel a bit of animosity towards some of you.

I mean now that it looks like it's all true what's written in the Bible people are changing after doing so damage to this world,for some reason that pisses me off to no end.

I have ADHD and Bi Polar so that probably has something to do with it because I was never religious befor.

Of course with any family we have the matured and we have the infants. We have the ones that know what it means to love Christ and we have the ones that like all the hype but don't like the changing within part, some like to appear good, but no c on changes on the inside.

The Bible is definitely true and we are wise to listen to its words.

Brother your not faulted for having ADHD or bi-polar.
I deal with anxiety and panic attacks and getting therapy really helped me and my faith. God wants you to help yourself and to use the gifts God gave others like spiritual counseling. You can overcome the flesh with the help of God, we must have faith.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Your also not a coward but very brave to be in the midst of darkness all around. He'll is a scary place after all who would want to burn and worse for eternity?

It just again makes you wise to acknowledge life here is only a second of time compared to forever. I truly believe thats the start of ones faith journey away from sin. We begin to realize maybe there is consequences to my sin. And the we here of a man who we later was God in human form giving his life for us so that we have the opportunity to spend eternity with God. It's beautiful and tearful to see that love for us in action and know what Jesus went through to save us. That love overwhelms the fear of hell. That kinda love brings all of your attention on life.

 

[MadebyHim]

I know that I sound conceited but im not, I really did live my adult life out of fear of hell so I guess that im a coward but thats ok with me.

I kinda come off like conceited I giess but many of you spoiled non believers on God by not taking His advice seriously while pointing at non believers and calling then sinners,satanists etc. So I do feel a bit of animosity towards some of you.

I mean now that it looks like it's all true what's written in the Bible people are changing after doing so damage to this world,for some reason that pisses me off to no end.

I have ADHD and Bi Polar so that probably has something to do with it because I was never religious befor.

Forgive me for seeing the op's opening in the wrong way. It looked like you was mad about certain people getting to Heaven. Thanks for sharing.

 

[MadebyHim]

God left me with no help im surrounded by corruption everywhere that I go in fact it's following me.

Thanks for the versus I'll keep them for the really bad times.

Thats not a good mind set. God left you with no help? God will not leave us or forsake us, thats a promise. Instead of thinking, God left you with no help. Start thinking God is your helper. Instead of seeing yourself surrounded by corruption, start seeing yourself surrounded by angels, and a hedge of protection. What we say is what we get sometimes.

 

[imfinallyfree]

Thank you guy's you've helped immensely,im still trying to understand ,I feel kinda like a scoundrel for not studying more about God and His word ,also for letting people believe that I chose my life for holy reason which I didn't,I just don't like things that most people do and if I did I'd be just like everyone else I mean most people what with fornication,racism and stuff someone said that if people truly change in their heart then that is good enough for God I can appreciate that and I agree it's just that I've never seen people change for real especially after living a certain way for years as a matter of fact im watching lots of people trying and failing now ,I think that it's because they are trying to change because it's the end not because it's good and beneficial to them and the world.

Really thanks again for helping me understand this is why I come here you guys/gals are great.

 

[Adstar]

It seems ridiculous for anyone to complain that sinners have been forgiven.
It is a common atheist ploy to say things like, ewww, you are going to be in
heaven with Hitler. My response would always be, so what? I am glad that
there are no sins but one that Jesus will not forgive, and so should you be.

Exactly.. If Hitler could be forgiven through the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ then that is a cause of us having great hope that we can be forgiven also..

And as for the comment the OP said about not wanting to be in Eternity with God with sinners.. We all know there shall be no sin in Eternity with God and that all people will be transformed upon the reasurection into perfect sinless beings..

 

[Adstar]

Then I apologize. What you said you meant.

The Op posted twice..... We don't know whether he's a troll starting a ruckus, or an agitated christian trying to speak his heart.

Either way we have a ruckus..... not because he egged it on, but because others egged it on as if he were a troublemaker.

Either way, he exposed something others didn't want talked about.

Isn't it something..... he could have been the Devil himself, & with 2 posts here we are showing our true colors.

Now I ask you all..... are we still forgiven, after all this? Or are some convicted, & needing to be forgiven?

We can be forgiven, if that's where we're at right now.

But make no mistake about it..... unless we truly repent, we wont be.

What is your definition of ""truly repent"" ?

 

[Adstar]

No I don't think that I'm the one to judge people but reason that im asking your guy's advice is because im being called a saint by a satanic cult and now everywhere I go they tell people that im a saint ,I told them that im not a saint,I mean look at what I believe,don't saints "save" EVERYONE?

Well I don't believe that that would be a good thing.

A Saint is someone who Believes Jesus and trusts in the atonement Jesus secured for their salvation.... Saints save no one.. God saves people..

May i ask what denomination/church/congregation have you been linked to in your religious life ?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Thank you guy's you've helped immensely,im still trying to understand ,I feel kinda like a scoundrel for not studying more about God and His word ,also for letting people believe that I chose my life for holy reason which I didn't,I just don't like things that most people do and if I did I'd be just like everyone else I mean most people what with fornication,racism and stuff someone said that if people truly change in their heart then that is good enough for God I can appreciate that and I agree it's just that I've never seen people change for real especially after living a certain way for years as a matter of fact im watching lots of people trying and failing now ,I think that it's because they are trying to change because it's the end not because it's good and beneficial to them and the world.

Really thanks again for helping me understand this is why I come here you guys/gals are great.

[h=1]2 Peter 3:8-10Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]8 Dear friends, don’t let this one thing escape you: With the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord does not delay His promise, as some understand delay, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief;[a] on that day the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, the elements will burn and be dissolved, and the earth and the works on it will be disclosed.[b]

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[h=1]Romans 8:25-27Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][FONT=&quot]25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with patience.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]26 In the same way the Spirit also joins to help in our weakness, because we do not know what to pray for as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us[a] with unspoken groanings. 27 And He who searches the hearts knows the Spirit’s mind-set, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

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[h=1]Ephesians 5:18New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT=&quot]18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit,

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[h=1]Romans 8New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]Life Through the Spirit[/h][FONT=&quot]8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives lifehas set you[a] free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,[b] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[c]And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires..6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life[d] because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of[e] his Spirit who lives in you.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.[f] And by him we cry, “Abba,[g] Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.


Pray for the Lord to fill you with the Holy Spirit and make its voice easily heard ( be drunk in the Spirit) and to live in accordance with the Spirit you will have your mind set on what the Spirit desires, we do not always know what to pray for as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with unspoken groanings. As we grow in Christ, God's holy Words will be written in your heart and your mind. But be led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Because the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.


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[h=1]Hebrews 10:16New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
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[h=1]Galatians 5:13-18New International Version (NIV)[/h][h=3]Life by the Spirit[/h][FONT=&quot]13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.[/FONT]
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[resurrection33]

JESUS said,,no one can come to HIM unless HIS Father who sent HIM draw them.
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Some on here will say that they were not looking for GOD when they got saved.

But I think some people look at salvation differently than others. As a boy, I don't remember my church talking about salvation. When I was nineteen or twenty, however, I began thinking seriously about the Lord, though I had little discipline at the time. Then one evening the Lord suddenly entered my life, totally unexpectedly. I look at that as my “born again” experience, though it was more a series of events, perhaps, than a single event.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

But I think some people look at salvation differently than others. As a boy, I don't remember my church talking about salvation. When I was nineteen or twenty, however, I began thinking seriously about the Lord, though I had little discipline at the time. Then one evening the Lord suddenly entered my life, totally unexpectedly. I look at that as my “born again” experience, though it was more a series of events, perhaps, than a single event.

When you were thinking,I would say that was your conscience and you must have repented In your heart and GOD came In and that only takes once and then be conscience of your right standing before GOD ,but If you sin against your neighbor,you should repent as many times as you offend them.