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Chokmahiel

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Desertsrose said:
And here's what I said that addresses that. :) We teach today out of God's word with the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit's power is contained within the written word and the verbal word.

Today we don't know what to verbalize without reading and studying the written word. This is how God planned for us to hear His words. Verbally and written, both with the inspiration of God's Spirit.
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Well but there's the obvious problem, the High Priest Annas and his family, the scribes, rulers, and elders all read the same book and were amazed at John and Peter whom were unlearned and ignorant.

How is it that they would be amazed or even try to straightly charge Peter and John not to teach in Jesus' name if they also had read the Bible?
 
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Well but there's the obvious problem, the High Priest Annas and his family, the scribes, rulers, and elders all read the same book and were amazed at John and Peter whom were unlearned and ignorant.
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But that was also a different time in which the word of God was not yet complete plus Peter and John were taught personally by Jesus himself who is the word of God, i wish i could have had such an honor
 
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Lol well if you want to know the story:

When I was a little kid there was a Joe's Crab Shack in the next town over. It closed down some years a go, but while it remained, I liked to go to Joe's Crab Shack, especially for my birthday. Well one of the first times I went there they had a huge sign painted on the side of the restaurant that read "Free Crab Tomorrow". I said to my dad "well dad we could just come back tomorrow and get free crab." My dad laughed at me and said "son, tomorrow never comes".
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In the normal world, "tomorrow will come."

In the world of advertising... the normal laws of the universe do not apply.

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* Advertising is an infinite black hole of despair and woe.

* That's how I got this way.
 
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But that was also a different time in which the word of God was not yet complete plus Peter and John were taught personally by Jesus himself who is the word of God, i wish i could have had such an honor
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Well can't we still?

What about Paul?

Galatians 1:11-12

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 
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Well can't we still?

What about Paul?

Galatians 1:11-12

[SUP]11 [/SUP]But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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Do you know a way to go and sit at Jesus's feet? Because if so i would greatly love to know how as I have longed to sit at his feet and listen to him teach and i mean physically not in a spiritual sense. at first yes it was revelation but then you have this
Acts:22:3 I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. I studied under Gamaliel and was thoroughly trained in the law of our ancestors. I was just as zealous for God as any of you are today.

He was taught the Law of their ancestors and the Torah was the law so he was taught the word of God
 
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What are the laws of the universe?
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Law of the Universe #1

1. Anything you say on CC Forums will be endlessly picked apart by:
A. someone who's bored because he has the day off
B. Someone who's girlfriend cancelled a date thus leaving him with too much free time and nothing constructive to do.


* You may substitute "B" with anything about an "angry wife."
 
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Can you know God if you have not read the Garden story?

Can you know Jesus without knowing His Earthly name was pronounced, "Eshaw" in Aramaic?

Can you trust in the gospel concept without reading of the manger and the escape to Egypt?

Are we to demand that people must be able to tell us how many books are in our preferred version of the Bible before they are allowed to sense Jesus drawing them?

Where do we come up with these requirements to know Jesus?
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Apparently, those who are illiterate can't walk with the Spirit either!
 
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Blain said:
Do you know a way to go and sit at Jesus's feet? Because if so i would greatly love to know how as I have longed to sit at his feet and listen to him teach and i mean physically not in a spiritual sense. at first yes it was revelation but then you have this
Acts:22:3 I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. I studied under Gamaliel and was thoroughly trained in the law of our ancestors. I was just as zealous for God as any of you are today.

He was taught the Law of their ancestors and the Torah was the law so he was taught the word of God
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Yea Paul was taught the law by men, but he says he was taught the Gospel by no man, but by the revelation of Jesus.

When Paul was taught the Torah by man and himself exceeded in the Law, was he not called Saul of Tarsus, the great persecutor of the Christians?
 
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Law of the Universe #1

1. Anything you say on CC Forums will be endlessly picked apart by:
A. someone who's bored because he has the day off
B. Someone who's girlfriend cancelled a date thus leaving him with too much free time and nothing constructive to do.


* You may substitute "B" with anything about an "angry wife."
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Lol, well I guess I better be thankful to not be subscribed to the law of your universe. Though I might wonder if the man in your universe might profit by spending more time being affectionate with his girlfriend or wife rather than having himself picked apart on forums and having his beloved be angry with him.
 
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Of course the homosexuals in that article are trying to justify ignoring what God teaches, but that should not even concern us, since we aren't trying to justify being queer.

But it SHOULD concern us that we may be insisting that someone has to read our book before they can follow our Jesus. The 3,000 at Pentecost didn't. They heard God the way He chose to reach them that morning.... no book ever involved.
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I mean, they didnt need the actual physical Bible themselves, but their faith is based on teachings from the Bible.

Allowing ourselves to see the Bible discredited is a step in the wrong direction, if we can agree to only liking parts of the Bible, then why should we trust in any of it at all? Then why even believe in Jesus, or believe that He actually agreed with the commandments? That can open the doors to turn Jesus into whatever we want Him to be.

I dont believe that someone needs to know the Bible back to front to be a Christian, but the story and teachings of Jesus Christ are in the Bible, and I dont believe that a Christian can turn their back on the Bible.
 
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Chokmahiel said:
Yea Paul was taught the law by men, but he says he was taught the Gospel by no man, but by the revelation of Jesus.

When Paul was taught the Torah by man and himself exceeded in the Law, was he not called Saul of Tarsus, the great persecutor of the Christians?
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The Torah was and still is the word of God himself while it's true he was taught the gospel of Jesus Christ by revelation alone he still studied the word of God did he not? Let me ask you this if a new believer came to you and said he wanted to be a Christian but didn't believe or want to read the bible would you say no worries don't bother reading it? I would assume not and there is a reason for that isn't there? If in fact believing in the bible and reading is not needed then why bother?

It's not that believing and studying the bible is a requirement of sorts it's that believing and studying the bible are fruits of the believer, they believe and study it because they want to know God more intimately they want to grow more in him they want to grow in wisdom and they hunger for the word of God just as the gifts of the spirit are the fruits of the spirit in us so is the hunger for God's word the fruits of a believer.



Have you never read the bible and felt your soul feeding on it? Have you ever read the scriptures with a deep hunger and it feels like your soul is devouring the best and most elegant food or drinking the sweetest and most delicious of wines? there is a reason for that as well it's because the heart and soul of a believer craves the word of God if you deprive your heart and your soul of his word then it's the same thing as depriving your body of vitamins.

I mean it's not required for a body to in take the right vitamins but to function correctly and to be strong and healthy then you need to feed your body just as the believer needs to feed their hearts and souls with his word
 
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Lol, well I guess I better be thankful to not be subscribed to the law of your universe. Though I might wonder if the man in your universe might profit by spending more time being affectionate with his girlfriend or wife rather than having himself picked apart on forums and having his beloved be angry with him.
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Law of the Universe #2

1. The Law of the Universe #1 is not something to which you subscribe...

it is simply the outworking of a sad and horrible fate.
 
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The Torah was and still is the word of God himself while it's true he was taught the gospel of Jesus Christ by revelation alone he still studied the word of God did he not? Let me ask you this if a new believer came to you and said he wanted to be a Christian but didn't believe or want to read the bible would you say no worries don't bother reading it? I would assume not and there is a reason for that isn't there? If in fact believing in the bible and reading is not needed then why bother?
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Well I have to wonder how they could be a believer and at the same time not believe? I wouldn't require them to read the Bible though it might be helpful. At the same time there's plenty of people that have read the Bible and that don't believe it at all. I think it be better to believe in God and never have read the Bible than to have read the Bible and not to believe in God.
 
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Law of the Universe #2

1. The Law of the Universe #1 is not something to which you subscribe...

it is simply the outworking of a sad and horrible fate.
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Lol I suppose Law #3 is to just make it up as you go along?
 
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Lol I suppose Law #3 is to just make it up as you go along?
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Law of the Universe #3

Don't get ahead of yourself when learning the Laws of the Universe... and don't accuse people of making things up, especially when they are.
 
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Chokmahiel said:
Well but there's the obvious problem, the High Priest Annas and his family, the scribes, rulers, and elders all read the same book and were amazed at John and Peter whom were unlearned and ignorant.

How is it that they would be amazed or even try to straightly charge Peter and John not to teach in Jesus' name if they also had read the Bible?
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It's a great point to make. But your point is not isolated. We don't stop there. In other words we also have Paul who was very well educated. God didn't limit Himself to unlearned men, nor to just the verbal word.

So with Jesus leaving the earth and telling the apostles to go and make disciples, they did. They were witnesses of Jesus and spent time with Him. So the church began with eye witnesses to the truth. The early disciples had the verbal word preached to them, but also had the Scriptures to authenticate the verbal gospel.

And to continue on making disciples, God chose to leave his written word with all the generations after the death of the living epistles who were the authors of the written word.

So today God works through the written word that's alive through the power of the Holy Spirit. It's His plan and His choice.

2 Timothy 3:14-17
You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.


 
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In countries where there is persecution and people are jailed for having a bible, the
Christian faith flourishes and grows. Some of these people might only get to see a bible
chapter once in a blue moon. Or people may memorise what they have read and pass it
on.

Its not a good situation to be in but it doesn't mean these people are not Christians.

The ideal situation would be to have a bible and read it. After all if someone you love
wrote lots of letters to you, how would they feel if you didn't read them.

One other point, I have read the bible through but my memory is like a sieve.
I certainly can't remember it cover to cover, but often I find the Holy Spirit
brings verses I haven't read for ages, to mind. So this is another good reason to
read the bible.
 
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It's a great point to make. But your point is not isolated. We don't stop there. In other words we also have Paul who was very well educated. God didn't limit Himself to unlearned men, nor to just the verbal word.

So with Jesus leaving the earth and telling the apostles to go and make disciples, they did. They were witnesses of Jesus and spent time with Him. So the church began with eye witnesses to the truth. The early disciples had the verbal word preached to them, but also had the Scriptures to authenticate the verbal gospel.

And to continue on making disciples, God chose to leave his written word with all the generations after the death of the living epistles who were the authors of the written word.

So today God works through the written word that's alive through the power of the Holy Spirit. It's His plan and His choice.

2 Timothy 3:14-17
You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.


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Well then it would seem to me that God works rather through the spirit rather than the written word.

2 Corinthians 3:6

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
 
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