How long can a Christian go without sinning?

[stonesoffire]

What has happened to sanctification? Does God not chastise? Do we not have the fruit of the Holy Spirit? Did not Christ die to set us free, to make us who were once dead now alive in Him, having been born-again? Where is our liberty, to not sin, but to serve in the newness of the spirit? Aren't we supposed to awake to righteousness and sin not?

What is sanctification? I think this is really the topic that needs discussed Ben.

The word says it is the Spirit. Is this a true statement? If we have Holy Spirit, we are sanctified. The process of it is again...our faith or our working out of this great salvation we have been given.

When it's law...the gospel doesn't seem good anymore...its a struggle...sweat of the law.

Linen and wool do not mix. It weakens the garment. Understand the metaphor?

 

[maxwel]

This man has impeccable logic, and is rarely rattled. I'm amazed that Ben looked at anything you said with hostility. Uncomfortable questions often elicit irrational, and hostile responses from those that don't like a question posed.

You're assessment of the OP seems pretty spot on. Ben IS a good guy. But like most of us, his pride pops up from time to time. He felt perfectly ok with a very hostile post toward Lynn, but doesn't see the hypocrisy in the attack.

I'm not mad at Ben.
I just wanted him to answer my questions.


Since he's now done that, we're all good.
And I like Ben just fine.



I'll rejoin the thread as I have time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is sanctification? I think this is really the topic that needs discussed Ben.

The word says it is the Spirit. Is this a true statement? If we have Holy Spirit, we are sanctified. The process of it is again...our faith or our working out of this great salvation we have been given.

When it's law...the gospel doesn't seem good anymore...its a struggle...sweat of the law.

Linen and wool do not mix. It weakens the garment. Understand the metaphor?

By one sacrifice he has perfected forever those he is sanctifying

being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;


Two passages I think should start any topic on sanctification.

 

[Desertsrose]

This man has impeccable logic, and is rarely rattled. I'm amazed that Ben looked at anything you said with hostility. Uncomfortable questions often elicit irrational, and hostile responses from those that don't like a question posed.

You're assessment of the OP seems pretty spot on. Ben IS a good guy. But like most of us, his pride pops up from time to time. He felt perfectly ok with a very hostile post toward Lynn, but doesn't see the hypocrisy in the attack.

Hi PennEd and Maxwell,

My opinion is that Maxwell was being petty. We're Christians here, we all know what sin is. If we don't then there's something seriously wrong because we all have repented of sin when we were born-again.

Maxwell, instead of commenting on the OP, you're wanting a definition of sin? It's logical that a definition isn't needed. If it's something that most people wouldn't know then of course, ask for a definition.

 

[BenFTW]

I'm not mad at Ben.
I just wanted him to answer my questions.


Since he's now done that, we're all good.
And I like Ben just fine.



I'll rejoin the thread as I have time.

Meh, you're not half bad yourself, haha.

 

[BeyondET]

Sanctified In Nothing... Those who like definitions...

 

[BeyondET]

As long as a person can, the length of time differs from person to person.

 

[maxwel]

Hi PennEd and Maxwell,

My opinion is that Maxwell was being petty. We're Christians here, we all know what sin is. If we don't then there's something seriously wrong because we all have repented of sin when we were born-again.

Maxwell, instead of commenting on the OP, you're wanting a definition of sin? It's logical that a definition isn't needed. If it's something that most people wouldn't know then of course, ask for a definition.

1. "My opinion is that Maxwell was being pretty."

I think you're pretty too.





2. "we all know what sin is."

A. That isn't necessarily the case... people have very different views on the word, both in concept and in particulars.
B. Sin is a term that is very broad, and covers a great many things people don't usually consider.
C. Since this entire thread is about SIN, then we should start, logically, with a precise definition of what the OP considers sin to be.

To define precisely what you're discussing is simply the most rational place to begin.



3. I'm aware that asking a person to "define terms" seems anal retentive, and even petty,
but it's simply the logical place to start a discussion... and often this alone resolves all problems.

A. To discuss vague terms, would mean, necessarily, we could never come to agreement because we'd never be discussing the exact same thing.

B. To define terms, and be able to discuss the EXACT same thing, means we have the ability to FIND RESOLUTION.

* Therefore, to demand that we define terms, is actually a step toward resolution, and peace... not a step toward conflict.

 

[PeterJens]

We have christs righteousness. Already. The thing you seek and are confusing with His righteousness is your personal holiness.

Sirk - your statement summarises the problem. You have separated our walk from
our status. This is why hypocracy is an issue in spiritual reality yet for many not
in their lives.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by PeterJens

After dealing with mentally ill people, emotions have everything to do with every aspect of
life, and experiences seriously damage and distort people as they go through life.

You obviously know nothing about mental illness. It goes far deeper than emotions. It is a disease of the brain,

Now it may sound trite but those who repress their hurts and defences to the extent that
they do not recognise they are there, are the ones who believe emotions are not involved
at all, just like you are describing.

if you think of mental illness like that it shows how wrong you are.

And I know I have no bridge over to you until you see this in yourself, because this is how
we learn the rules, not in theory but in practice.

then start learning.

 

[BenFTW]

1. "My opinion is that Maxwell was being pretty."

I think you're pretty too.





2. "we all know what sin is."

A. That isn't necessarily the case... people have very different views on the word, both in concept and in particulars.
B. Sin is a term that is very broad, and covers a great many things people don't usually consider.
C. Since this entire thread is about SIN, then we should start, logically, with a precise definition of what the OP considers sin to be.

To define precisely what you're discussing is simply the most rational place to begin.



3. I'm aware that asking a person to "define terms" seems anal retentive, and even petty,
but it's simply the logical place to start a discussion... and often this alone resolves all problems.

A. To discuss vague terms, would mean, necessarily, we could never come to agreement because we'd never be discussing the exact same thing.

B. To define terms, and be able to discuss the EXACT same thing, means we have the ability to FIND RESOLUTION.

* Therefore, to demand that we define terms, is actually a step toward resolution, and peace... not a step toward conflict.

Define resolution and peace. LOL I'm only messing with you.

Then again, since you do have an understanding of my beliefs over a period of time, it should be noted that you more than likely know that I know what sin is, and therefore to establish its definition is somewhat moot (as you know my stance).

But hey, we're pass that. I looked up the movement you mentioned and I don't think its completely accurate to describe what I am saying as synonymous with that movement. They are accused of sinless perfectionism or "entire sanctification."

 

[Mackenzie127]

1. "My opinion is that Maxwell was being pretty."

I think you're pretty too.





2. "we all know what sin is."

A. That isn't necessarily the case... people have very different views on the word, both in concept and in particulars.
B. Sin is a term that is very broad, and covers a great many things people don't usually consider.
C. Since this entire thread is about SIN, then we should start, logically, with a precise definition of what the OP considers sin to be.

To define precisely what you're discussing is simply the most rational place to begin.



3. I'm aware that asking a person to "define terms" seems anal retentive, and even petty,
but it's simply the logical place to start a discussion... and often this alone resolves all problems.

A. To discuss vague terms, would mean, necessarily, we could never come to agreement because we'd never be discussing the exact same thing.

B. To define terms, and be able to discuss the EXACT same thing, means we have the ability to FIND RESOLUTION.

* Therefore, to demand that we define terms, is actually a step toward resolution, and peace... not a step toward conflict.

Maxwel, if you don't mind me asking, are you a jurist?

 

[BeyondET]

1. "My opinion is that Maxwell was being pretty."

I think you're pretty too.





2. "we all know what sin is."

A. That isn't necessarily the case... people have very different views on the word, both in concept and in particulars.
B. Sin is a term that is very broad, and covers a great many things people don't usually consider.
C. Since this entire thread is about SIN, then we should start, logically, with a precise definition of what the OP considers sin to be.

To define precisely what you're discussing is simply the most rational place to begin.



3. I'm aware that asking a person to "define terms" seems anal retentive, and even petty,
but it's simply the logical place to start a discussion... and often this alone resolves all problems.

A. To discuss vague terms, would mean, necessarily, we could never come to agreement because we'd never be discussing the exact same thing.

B. To define terms, and be able to discuss the EXACT same thing, means we have the ability to FIND RESOLUTION.

* Therefore, to demand that we define terms, is actually a step toward resolution, and peace... not a step toward conflict.

So what would be the logical start point in defining what sin is.

 

[valiant]

Sirk - your statement summarises the problem. You have separated our walk from
our status. This is why hypocracy is an issue in spiritual reality yet for many not
in their lives.

If our walk is not separate from our status then God help us all. Remember the word of that God-declared righteous man Job. 'Hitherto I had learned of You by the hearing of the ear. But now my eye sees you and I repent in sackcloth and ashes.'

 

[valiant]

Sirk - your statement summarises the problem. You have separated our walk from
our status. This is why hypocracy is an issue in spiritual reality yet for many not
in their lives.

if you think that you can even remotely attain to the righteousness of Christ you are totally wrong, even blasphemous..

Enough said.

 

[blue_ladybug]

For one, he probably didn't even know your dad has alzheimer's. And two, I'm pretty sure he was referring to the fact that you stuck him back on ignore..

Really? The guy insults my dad and you think this is a teaching moment? To him, it really does have everything to do with him. Not God. Not others. Not understanding. Not even interacting. It's always about him.

He just was thrilled to learn Dad has Alzheimer. Excuse me for taking this personally. That's my DAD!

 

[Depleted]

Sorry, I just took the opportunity to discuss it as it was available. I'm sorry if the timing was inappropriate.

I will get back to you when I'm less livid. A few hours later, and I'm not yet.

 

[Sirk]

For one, he probably didn't even know your dad has alzheimer's. And two, I'm pretty sure he was referring to the fact that you stuck him back on ignore..

Blue gets me! Thanks for getting me blue. .

 

[Sirk]

Sirk - your statement summarises the problem. You have separated our walk from
our status. This is why hypocracy is an issue in spiritual reality yet for many not
in their lives.

It certainly does. The problem being that you think your personal holiness is the same as Gods holiness.

 

[PeterJens]

You obviously know nothing about mental illness. It goes far deeper than emotions. It is a disease of the brain,
if you think of mental illness like that it shows how wrong you are.
then start learning.

Valiant - Ok. Have you had face to face experience with mental health issues,
and the emotional complexity of families, especially schizophrenic families with
a lack of boundaries and totally repressed emotion and understanding.

Now compare this to a family with totally open and well defined relationships,
functional, caring and loving with sensitivity to how each person is doing.

I know both situations, one into which I was born and the other which the Lord
brought about with His grace.

So please do not try to correct me. I am telling you about realities of life, and
it is not really a debate, it is something you obviously do not understand.