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Magenta

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If he rose on the third day then He died on a Friday. The problem with His dying on a Wednesday or a Thursday is why the women did not anoint Jesus body earlier. If He died on Wednesday they would anoint His body either on Thursday or on Friday If He dies on Thursday why did they wait until Sunday. The Jews never observed two Sabbaths on successive days.,
If Jesus died on a Wednesday and was buried before sundown, the sundown starts the high Sabbath for Passover. On Thursday therefore nothing could be done. Friday they purchase and prepare the spices and then starts the weekly Passover Friday night into Saturday daylight hours, so again, nothing can be done. Saturday night, sleep, then early Sunday, they go to the tomb and find it empty.
 
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It is simply making the point that the Passover (and our Easter or Resurrection Sunday as well) is always tied to the occurrence of the first full moon following the vernal equinox.
this theory is based on our modern calander.. Take look into how the Hebrew adjust for what we call leap year, it's not the same at all. And the Equinox's are not the same from year to year. Each year it moves forward six hours one of reason why the gregorian has a leap year. the earth and moon do not tell time as we know it correctly as far as how man has made his time pieces.
 

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Sabbath means rest (no work), THE sabbath was Friday evening to Saturday evening so there can be more than one "sabbath".


Exo 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Exo 12:16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
but 2 Sabbaths were never held on successive days
 

Magenta

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this theory is based on our modern calander.. Take look into how the Hebrew adjust for what we call leap year, it's not the same at all. And the Equinox's are not the same from year to year. Each year it moves forward six hours one of reason why the gregorian has a leap year. the earth and moon do not tell time as we know it correctly as far as how man has made his time pieces.
No no no, the Jews have always used a lunar calendar, and their Passover (Pesach) always began on the first full moon of their new year which is the month of Nissan. The first full moon following the vernal equinox is the standard. Why does it confuse you that we follow the same formula?

The lamb was always inspected on the tenth day. That was when Jesus entered
into Jerusalem being hailed as their Lord as He rode the foal of a donkey.
 
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No no no, the Jews have always used a lunar calendar, and their Passover (Pesach) always began on the first full moon of their new year which is the month of Nissan. The first full moon following the vernal equinox is the standard. Why does it confuse you that we follow the same formula?

The lamb was always inspected on the tenth day. That was when Jesus entered
into Jerusalem being hailed as their Lord as He rode the foal of a donkey.
This only happens once in a blue moon, for the lunar year and solar year do not line up unless we "man" adjust the calander.

Lunar year is 254 days long the roughly and the solar year is 365 days long roughly. No matter if a person is using a Hebrew calander or a Gregorian calander the time table has to be adjusted to keep the time to some what in time with the seasons. This is a simple fact, so go back 2000 years ago isn't going to be like today or anywhere close to it.

No body knows today if there was a full moon right before the spring equinox in the biblical times. that's simply theory and speculation.
 
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Magenta

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This only happens once in a blue moon, for the lunar year and solar year do not line up unless we "man" adjust the calander.

Lunar year is 254 days long the roughly and the solar year is 365 days long roughly. No matter if a person is using a Hebrew calander or a Gregorian calander the time table has to be adjusted to keep the time to some what in time with the seasons. This is a simple fact, so go back 2000 years ago isn't going to be like today or anywhere close to it.

No body knows today if there was a full moon right before the spring equinox that's simply theory and speculation.
You are completely missing the fact that their whole means of measuring the passage of time was LUNAR.
 
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You are completely missing the fact that their whole means of measuring the passage of time was LUNAR.
Indeed, then why mention the gregorian calander was it to throw me a curve ball.
 

Magenta

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The first day of Nissan, their new year, was a new moon.
Two weeks later it was always a full moon.
Passover = 14th Nissan... full moon.
 

Magenta

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Indeed, then why mention the gregorian calander was it to throw me a curve ball.
You are responsible for your misunderstanding, not I.
I said right from the start that they use a lunar calendar.
 
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I'm curious... on what day do you guys and gals think that the crucifixion took place?

I've always thought it was on Friday, but recent reading and contemplation makes me wonder if it was actually Thursday?

Is there any concrete evidence when the Passover Sabbath was, in the year he was crucified?

And... for the record, to me this is NOT a salvation issue... to me, the salvation issue is THAT he was crucified, and rose again.
no acient history was always a rule of thumb when there was no paperwork... meaning rituals and days.. they knew sabbath day was sabbath day by ritual and not by pen. end of story..theres no lies the... last super was on a friday ,,,,Good friday... and he went to the cross on palm sunday..
 
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The first day of Nissan, their new year, was a new moon.
Two weeks later it was always a full moon.
Passover = 14th Nissan... full moon.
Ok then why not April 10 ?

14th of Nisan, 5777 = Mon, 10 April 2017
 

Magenta

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Ugh, I just accidentally closed a tab while I was making another post here. The mention of our calendar was part of an explanation for how we arrive at determining Resurrection Sunday, which follows the formula of the first Sunday following the first full moon following the vernal equinox, to closely match Jewish Passover.

Earliest Easter Western/Gregorian
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1818 the Paschal Full Moon fell on Saturday March 21 (the equinox). Therefore, the following day, March 22, was Easter. It will not fall as early again until 2285 - a span of 467 years.

A notably early Easter between 1818 and 2285 was 2008's Easter - March 23. Before then, it last occurred that early in 1913, and will occur again in 2160, a 95 and 152-year gap, respectively.

Orthodox/Julian
The earliest dates for Easter in the Eastern Orthodox Church between 1875 and 2099 are, 22 March 1915 and 22 March 2010. Both dates are equivalent to April 4 in the Gregorian Calendar.

Latest Easter
Western/Gregorian
In 1943 Easter fell on Sunday, April 25. The ecclesiastical full moon didn't occur until Saturday, March 20; because it came before the vernal equinox, the paschal full moon didn't happen until Sunday, April 18. Consequently, Easter was the following Sunday (April 25). Easter will not fall as late again until 2038—a span of 95 years.

The second latest date for Easter, April 24, occurred in 2011. The latter occurred in 1859 and will not happen again until 2095—152 and 84 years, respectively.

Orthodox/Julian
The latest dates for Orthodox Easter between 1875 and 2099 are, 25 April 1983 and 25 April 2078. Both dates are equivalent to May 8 in the Gregorian Calendar.

Western and Orthodox Easter on the same date
Despite using calendars that are apart by 13 days, Easter 2014 fell on the same date. According to the Western (Gregorian) calendar, the first Paschal Full Moon after the Spring Equinox (March 21) fell on Monday, April 14, 2014. The following Sunday, April 20, was therefore Easter Day.

According to the Orthodox (Julian) calendar (which is 13 days behind the Gregorian calendar) the Spring Equinox also falls on March 21. However, in the Gregorian Calendar this is April 3. The first Orthodox Full Moon after the Equinox falls on (Julian) Tuesday April 2, 2014 (Gregorian April 15). The following Sunday, (Julian) April 7, is therefore Easter Day (Gregorian April 20).

Yeah, it can certainly be confusing :p
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_for_Easter#Earliest_Easter
 

Magenta

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no acient history was always a rule of thumb when there was no paperwork... meaning rituals and days.. they new sabbath day was sabbath day by ritual and not by pen. end of story..theres no lies the... last super was on a friday ,,,,Good friday... and he went to the cross on palm sunday..
That's the most messed up interpretation I have ever seen.
 
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Ugh, I just accidentally closed a tab while I was making another post here. The mention of our calendar was part of an explanation for how we arrive at determining Resurrection Sunday, which follows the formula of the first Sunday following the first full moon following the vernal equinox, to closely match Jewish Passover.

Earliest Easter Western/Gregorian
In
1818 the Paschal Full Moon fell on Saturday March 21 (the equinox). Therefore, the following day, March 22, was Easter. It will not fall as early again until 2285 - a span of 467 years.

A notably early Easter between 1818 and 2285 was 2008's Easter - March 23. Before then, it last occurred that early in 1913, and will occur again in 2160, a 95 and 152-year gap, respectively.

Orthodox/Julian
The earliest dates for Easter in the Eastern Orthodox Church between 1875 and 2099 are, 22 March 1915 and 22 March 2010. Both dates are equivalent to April 4 in the Gregorian Calendar.

Latest Easter
Western/Gregorian
In 1943 Easter fell on Sunday, April 25. The ecclesiastical full moon didn't occur until Saturday, March 20; because it came before the vernal equinox, the paschal full moon didn't happen until Sunday, April 18. Consequently, Easter was the following Sunday (April 25). Easter will not fall as late again until 2038—a span of 95 years.

The second latest date for Easter, April 24, occurred in 2011. The latter occurred in 1859 and will not happen again until 2095—152 and 84 years, respectively.

Orthodox/Julian
The latest dates for Orthodox Easter between 1875 and 2099 are, 25 April 1983 and 25 April 2078. Both dates are equivalent to May 8 in the Gregorian Calendar.

Western and Orthodox Easter on the same date
Despite using calendars that are apart by 13 days, Easter 2014 fell on the same date. According to the Western (Gregorian) calendar, the first Paschal Full Moon after the Spring Equinox (March 21) fell on Monday, April 14, 2014. The following Sunday, April 20, was therefore Easter Day.

According to the Orthodox (Julian) calendar (which is 13 days behind the Gregorian calendar) the Spring Equinox also falls on March 21. However, in the Gregorian Calendar this is April 3. The first Orthodox Full Moon after the Equinox falls on (Julian) Tuesday April 2, 2014 (Gregorian April 15). The following Sunday, (Julian) April 7, is therefore Easter Day (Gregorian April 20).

Yeah, it can certainly be confusing :p
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_for_Easter#Earliest_Easter
You posted back to 1818, from that date take us back to the year of the crucification of Christ.
 
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magenta you do know your on my ignor list so why are you even replying to me ?
 

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The Passovers

According to Matt 26:17-20, Mark 14:12-17, and Luke 22:7-15, Christ's last
supper was a Passover dinner, and he ate it the night of his arrest.

According to John 13:1-2, John 18:28-29, John 19:13-14, and John 19:31,
the Jews ate their own Passover dinner after Jesus was dead and buried.

Failure to discern the time difference between Jesus' Passover and the Jews'
Passover invariably leads to unnecessary quarrelling and confusion;
especially when the Feast's sabbath as per John 19:14 and John 19:31 is left
out of the mix.

NOTE: The Jews' religious calendar was somehow off that year, and good
thing too. Apparently it was God's wishes that His son be crucified during
preparation day, which is the day that their covenant requires Jews to
slaughter and roast lambs with fire ready to eat by sundown for the
Passover dinner that night. Had the Jews known the correct date, they likely
wouldn't have crucified Jesus on time.

Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people
assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and
they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the
feast-- they said --or there may be a riot among the people.

Due to their religious calendar's error, the Jews inadvertently crucified Jesus
on the very day they wanted to avoid.

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Magenta

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Ok then why not April 10 ?

14th of Nisan, 5777 = Mon, 10 April 2017
The vernal equinox never occurs before March 20th. It can be the 20th, 21st, or 22nd. It happens when the plane of Earth's equator passes through the center of the Sun, and causes equal length of day and night all over the planet earth. The latest possible date for Easter is April 25. The last time it occurred was 1943 and the next time will be 2038.
 

Magenta

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Correction: the Vernal Equinox can take place on March 19, 20 or 21.
 
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Very informative.