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You can repeat what I said all you want sweetheart because it's definitely not a lie...And I'm glad you get what I'm saying too.
As far as reading and comprehending what you or anyone else on here has stated...that's where the disagreement comes in, and because I disagree does not mean I am choosing to believe only what I want to believe. The same can be said for you and anyone else here who does not comprehend the verses that have been brought against it. I have not called you a liar, I simply said I don't agree with you.
As the old saying goes you say potato, I say "tater"...lol
That's how disagreements work...It is what it is.
As far as reading and comprehending what you or anyone else on here has stated...that's where the disagreement comes in, and because I disagree does not mean I am choosing to believe only what I want to believe. The same can be said for you and anyone else here who does not comprehend the verses that have been brought against it. I have not called you a liar, I simply said I don't agree with you.
As the old saying goes you say potato, I say "tater"...lol
That's how disagreements work...It is what it is.
Sounds like good advice...How about taking it yourself?
I've read the scripture for myself and I believe how I believe. There is no way you or anyone else is going to persuade me to believe anything to the contrary.
Now you are free to believe as you will. I'm not trying to make you believe anything...I am disagreeing with you. And that is what it is.
I've read the scripture for myself and I believe how I believe. There is no way you or anyone else is going to persuade me to believe anything to the contrary.
Now you are free to believe as you will. I'm not trying to make you believe anything...I am disagreeing with you. And that is what it is.
B
Here it is, took me forever! That verse as it is written fits with what I think. This is why you were wishing the verse had been reworded differently, because if it had been, I would not think as I did. But because it is written as it is, that is WHY I think as I do. 
I'll check out your new thread when I return later.
I'll check out your new thread when I return later.
Now I don't care to discuss scripture with anyone, but I don't stand for anyone trying to "bully" someone into believing something.
If you can show me something in scripture then do it, but don't get on here and give me a verse or two and throw out the rest of scripture and demand I swallow it down. I'm sorry it just don't work that way for me.
If you can show me something in scripture then do it, but don't get on here and give me a verse or two and throw out the rest of scripture and demand I swallow it down. I'm sorry it just don't work that way for me.
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All I have to say is you are a one time case. I have known hundreds of believers. And your the ONLY person I ever met that said they went fr5om rejecting God pone second to believing the next. Everyone i knew spent months sometimes even years believing in God,. But afraid to take that step of faith, for whatever reason.
But hey, As I said, if you want to believe the way I do. Your free too.. I am done trying to explain myself. And why I believe the way I do over and over to the same people. It is not worth it..
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Amen,, Which leaves us with a few important points.
1. People are delivered to Christ for the GWT, Not resurrected by him, and taken there (believers are not present at this judgment seat)
2. They are judged for works, not sin, And found wanting
3. This is apposed to the judgment seat of Christ (BEMA) where we as believers are judged, and given reward for our work (gold silver precious stone, wood hay straw)
this is where people do not understand.. Jesus told the Pharisees (for all we know a man names Saul, and Nicole OSU was there at that time) that they were in danger of committing the unpardonable sin, Even though thy just committed it by attributing the work of the HS to Satan. He basically said they all had a chance to repent.. He would not say this if they were predestined to hell.. He would tell then flat out. Because you have blasphemed the HS, you are condemned.. .
1. People are delivered to Christ for the GWT, Not resurrected by him, and taken there (believers are not present at this judgment seat)
2. They are judged for works, not sin, And found wanting
3. This is apposed to the judgment seat of Christ (BEMA) where we as believers are judged, and given reward for our work (gold silver precious stone, wood hay straw)
this is where people do not understand.. Jesus told the Pharisees (for all we know a man names Saul, and Nicole OSU was there at that time) that they were in danger of committing the unpardonable sin, Even though thy just committed it by attributing the work of the HS to Satan. He basically said they all had a chance to repent.. He would not say this if they were predestined to hell.. He would tell then flat out. Because you have blasphemed the HS, you are condemned.. .
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Then you are free to go on your way. I will pray that God chooses his Way for you, so you can finally get the real God and the joy in being his child.
And should I call you, Honey Child? Since you're in to such nonsense as calling anyone "sweetheart?" (I would think a woman, of all people, would understand the derogative nature of the word "sweetheart" to another woman.)
And should I call you, Honey Child? Since you're in to such nonsense as calling anyone "sweetheart?" (I would think a woman, of all people, would understand the derogative nature of the word "sweetheart" to another woman.)
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No, lying is when I use the word "blue" to mean cleaning, stairs, poptarts, or anything else, but what it means. And, yeah, maybe I didn't know what "blue" meant, but then many people defined the word "blue" to me, (and I really am capable of looking the word up if I don't understand it), but I keep saying it means cleaning.
One of two choices: Either I'm lying or I have absolutely no comprehension skills. And yet, here I am writing full sentences, which proves I have comprehension skills, so, yeah. I'm lying.
THIS is a lie:
Originally Posted by 1ofthem
The thing about it is that predestination is saying some folks will be condemned to hell just because that's what God wanted for them and no other real reason.
I know this because she has comprehension skills.
Either that or I have to blue my dishes and you can't call that a lie because in my mind there is truth to that? Silly game!
One of two choices: Either I'm lying or I have absolutely no comprehension skills. And yet, here I am writing full sentences, which proves I have comprehension skills, so, yeah. I'm lying.
THIS is a lie:
The thing about it is that predestination is saying some folks will be condemned to hell just because that's what God wanted for them and no other real reason.
Either that or I have to blue my dishes and you can't call that a lie because in my mind there is truth to that? Silly game!
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If you're not into bullying people into what to think then quit telling your lie. We HAVE shown you scripture. (Not a verse or two, which is another lie.) You ignore them. Instead you come back to lying about what you want the Bible to say.
Originally Posted by 1ofthem
The thing about it is that predestination is saying some folks will be condemned to hell just because that's what God wanted for them and no other real reason.
The thing about it is that predestination is saying some folks will be condemned to hell just because that's what God wanted for them and no other real reason.
God chose the Hebrews over the Egyptians. It doesn't matter that the theology of the Egyptians says that God chooses everyone equally. Their theology is just wrong.
Why didn't God choose the Caananites? Or the Amalekites?
God chose the weak to overcome the strong so all would know who He Is and how He Works. Opposite of how our world works.
Election and predestination are biblical facts. If you say you don't believe in them or you disagree with it then you are just disagreeing with the bible.
But its a silly disagreement. Its a disagreement with carnal what-ifs. Its not a spiritual understanding.
A spiritual understanding says that if it is a requirement for Salvation then it didn't come from us, it came from God. Otherwise, if it came from us then we could boast and we would be sharing in Gods Glory.
John 6:44 [FONT="]No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[/FONT]No one can boast. No one can share in His Glory. Because its all a gift. Faith, Grace, Righteousness, Salvation, Good Works, Fruit... All these are blessings from God.
Religion denies this. They want to teach you that there is something you must do to earn what is the blessing from God. Its a real easy trick because no one believes they can get anything for free. There has to be something they must do.
Yes. Read your bible and ask God for His Blessings.
Why didn't God choose the Caananites? Or the Amalekites?
God chose the weak to overcome the strong so all would know who He Is and how He Works. Opposite of how our world works.
Election and predestination are biblical facts. If you say you don't believe in them or you disagree with it then you are just disagreeing with the bible.
But its a silly disagreement. Its a disagreement with carnal what-ifs. Its not a spiritual understanding.
A spiritual understanding says that if it is a requirement for Salvation then it didn't come from us, it came from God. Otherwise, if it came from us then we could boast and we would be sharing in Gods Glory.
John 6:44 [FONT="]No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[/FONT]No one can boast. No one can share in His Glory. Because its all a gift. Faith, Grace, Righteousness, Salvation, Good Works, Fruit... All these are blessings from God.
Religion denies this. They want to teach you that there is something you must do to earn what is the blessing from God. Its a real easy trick because no one believes they can get anything for free. There has to be something they must do.
Yes. Read your bible and ask God for His Blessings.
Some religions teach to gain salvation you must balance you good deeds against your bad
deeds to get a balance in favour of good, which means you go to heaven and not hell.
God declares He blesses the righteous.
Surely, Lord, you bless the righteous; you surround them with your favor as with a shield.
Psalm 5:12
The Lord’s curse is on the house of the wicked, but he blesses the home of the righteous.
Proverbs 3:33
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Matt 5:6
There is great blessing from the Lord to walk in His ways and follow the Saviour of
all and believe in His cross and sacrifice. Do this and you will gain eternal life.
I am sure this is what you meant, as this is the message of the Lord of Hosts.
deeds to get a balance in favour of good, which means you go to heaven and not hell.
God declares He blesses the righteous.
Surely, Lord, you bless the righteous; you surround them with your favor as with a shield.
Psalm 5:12
The Lord’s curse is on the house of the wicked, but he blesses the home of the righteous.
Proverbs 3:33
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Matt 5:6
There is great blessing from the Lord to walk in His ways and follow the Saviour of
all and believe in His cross and sacrifice. Do this and you will gain eternal life.
I am sure this is what you meant, as this is the message of the Lord of Hosts.
Great thing about predestination is that if you are elect you are going to heaven. Bad news is if you are not you are not. Nothing you can do in either direction. Why worry about accepting Christ when God has predetermined all this about you well in advance of you even existing? No need to testify of the goodness of God since its all about election.
Don't allow Gods foreknowledge to become predetermination.
Ro 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Don't allow Gods foreknowledge to become predetermination.
Ro 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
For the cause of Christ
Roger