ISLAM and MUSLIMS
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Quran 8:12-13
12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."13. This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is Severe in punishment.
(John 16:1-3) "These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. {2} They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.{3} And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."
Does this help you see what Im talking about? Its not about making people afraid of Islam, its about helping others see how its wrong.
12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."13. This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is Severe in punishment.
(John 16:1-3) "These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. {2} They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.{3} And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."
Does this help you see what Im talking about? Its not about making people afraid of Islam, its about helping others see how its wrong.
Both men and women probably wore head coverings. Desert life is pretty harsh with all the heat, and sand blowing around. I can see people wanting to protect their heads and keep as much sand as possible out of their hair. I can't imagine living in such an environment, rocks and sand everywhere and very little greenery. No wonder they want to leave. They should just leave their barbarism behind also. We don't want their FGM here, nor polygamy. Some people believe that their birth rates alone will advance the cause of Islam as much or more than anything else.
Did anyone say that all Muslims will hurt you?
Are there Muslims who will follow commands to make war with the unbeliever? There very much are Muslims who would do that. But obviously not every single Muslim will do this.
Also, there are many Muslims who, while not fighting now, are not against those who do, and even believe that in the end times, they will be fighting too-
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/15/56
Are there Muslims who will follow commands to make war with the unbeliever? There very much are Muslims who would do that. But obviously not every single Muslim will do this.
Also, there are many Muslims who, while not fighting now, are not against those who do, and even believe that in the end times, they will be fighting too-
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/15/56
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.
Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.
The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.
The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history. https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
And by exposing Muslims to these truths, and also with showing them the teachings and warnings from Jesus, many can come to see that He is the truth, and that Muhammad was a false prophet used to lead many away from God.
I always rejoice when I see former Muslims comment on David Woods videos about how he helped them come to Christ, and that Muhammad was indeed a messenger of satan.
I always rejoice when I see former Muslims comment on David Woods videos about how he helped them come to Christ, and that Muhammad was indeed a messenger of satan.
Where is the hate and fear mongering? In practically every post by a certain group in this thread. They have even formed their own little "attack" clique, with Blue saying how happy she was that Magenta sent her the link to this thread, so she could come and set people straight! (My words not hers!) (Post 486!)
When you present facts about Islam, quote the Qur'an, that is not hate mongering. That is just facts, and I am in agreement with doing that! When you rant and rave about how "they" are going to kill us all, take over our countries, destroy our way of life, with some questionable internet statistics, with no credible sources, dupe the naive, with what can only be described as bullying tactics (flooding the thread with fear creating memes, videos by other fear mongerers!) then when confronted, the people go beserk, won't answer your clearly articulated questions, such as "in what way did I lie about you?" And no answer is forthcoming, I do have to think that people are off the wall about this issue. They are afraid, and their goal is to make others afraid. And it seems to be a rather mass delusion. Although if I am wrong, I will be willing to admit I am.
Someone even claimed Muslims are so evil, they would pretend to be Christians, as part of their campaign of terrorism. Where on earth did that come from? Show me one fact from independent or Muslim sources that say that! As for being too evil, God saved me, so I know he can save anyone from any wickedness or pagan religion!
I was going over in my mind, in Acts, when various people preached, how they broached it. How did they bring people ot Christ? Well, first, the Holy Spirit was in charge. Anyone saying they Holy Spirit cannot bring Muslims to Christ is committing heresy. That is the essence of fear mongering! But I will discuss that in another post. They also used the tools at hand. They showed Jesus in the OT to the Jews. To pagans, they preached Jesus crucified, and went where God sent them, including to their home because God showed them (talking Peter, here in Acts 10) how eating with a pagan is no longer unclean.
Suffice it to say, what is the difference between Islam and a Muslim person?
Islam - a violent, warmongering religion, with a prophet of questionable character and ethics being the highest authority, and many disturbing things that happen in the name of Islam.
Muslim - a person, usually from birth, but sometimes converted, who is lost without Jesus. A person Jesus died for, that is going to hell, because instead of people strategizing about ways to win these people, these lost people to Christ, they are focusing on the religion instead of the person. So many of these people have never heard the gospel, and certainly do not know that Jesus died on the cross for their sins, and rose from the dead! And that he is coming soon!
So, do we create panic and fear by posting all the evil things Islam has done, or do we share ways to witness, and videos and testimonies of people who have been saved out of Islam, and support each other for being bold witnesses to these people that Jesus died for?
The choice is yours!
When you present facts about Islam, quote the Qur'an, that is not hate mongering. That is just facts, and I am in agreement with doing that! When you rant and rave about how "they" are going to kill us all, take over our countries, destroy our way of life, with some questionable internet statistics, with no credible sources, dupe the naive, with what can only be described as bullying tactics (flooding the thread with fear creating memes, videos by other fear mongerers!) then when confronted, the people go beserk, won't answer your clearly articulated questions, such as "in what way did I lie about you?" And no answer is forthcoming, I do have to think that people are off the wall about this issue. They are afraid, and their goal is to make others afraid. And it seems to be a rather mass delusion. Although if I am wrong, I will be willing to admit I am.
Someone even claimed Muslims are so evil, they would pretend to be Christians, as part of their campaign of terrorism. Where on earth did that come from? Show me one fact from independent or Muslim sources that say that! As for being too evil, God saved me, so I know he can save anyone from any wickedness or pagan religion!
I was going over in my mind, in Acts, when various people preached, how they broached it. How did they bring people ot Christ? Well, first, the Holy Spirit was in charge. Anyone saying they Holy Spirit cannot bring Muslims to Christ is committing heresy. That is the essence of fear mongering! But I will discuss that in another post. They also used the tools at hand. They showed Jesus in the OT to the Jews. To pagans, they preached Jesus crucified, and went where God sent them, including to their home because God showed them (talking Peter, here in Acts 10) how eating with a pagan is no longer unclean.
Suffice it to say, what is the difference between Islam and a Muslim person?
Islam - a violent, warmongering religion, with a prophet of questionable character and ethics being the highest authority, and many disturbing things that happen in the name of Islam.
Muslim - a person, usually from birth, but sometimes converted, who is lost without Jesus. A person Jesus died for, that is going to hell, because instead of people strategizing about ways to win these people, these lost people to Christ, they are focusing on the religion instead of the person. So many of these people have never heard the gospel, and certainly do not know that Jesus died on the cross for their sins, and rose from the dead! And that he is coming soon!
So, do we create panic and fear by posting all the evil things Islam has done, or do we share ways to witness, and videos and testimonies of people who have been saved out of Islam, and support each other for being bold witnesses to these people that Jesus died for?
The choice is yours!
Amen. Tom Wallace has had a former Muslim who has converted to Christianity on his radio program for quite some time. Shahram Hadian has been his co-host for a while, now. Like Geert Wilders, who was charged with hate crimes for exposing the explicit teachings of Islam, Tom was once detained at the Canadian border and had all his materials confiscated because he tells people what Islam teaches. How ironic, huh? Expose Islam for what it is and you are called a hater.