I feel I have to stress it more because I don't like that you feel I was being accusatory. I don't want you to feel that way. I was giving my thought about what ran through my head, which was: what's wrong with being poetic? It doesn't mean it's not biblical to paraphrase, put something in your own words, or put it in poetic words. If your objection was that nothing in the post was biblical, he spelled it out/expounded on it more for you, so you can see he had verses in mind when he put it in his own words. That doesn't mean you will see it is biblical - you might still think it isn't, dunno.
Pharisees and arrogance
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Oh, so since you didn't try, and did anyhow, it's all good. To you.
Your "seemer" needs recalibrated. And, again, nothing he said was biblical. One needs to read into what others say based on the big picture, not made statements.
Sorry, I'm not hoodwinked easily. I'm looking at the big picture, not just a post. You should learn to do the same. His teachings are heretical and when he says 'the law is the gateway to the kingdom' you should know what he means. You don't. Go read and comprehend.
This is false. You agreed with one who said these things, so, you said it as well. Go re-read your statements and look at the context.
Yeah, we all know about assuming, right?
His statements are heretical. His teachings are heretical. Try some context when reading his statements.
All you are trying to do is justify yourself. You lied and need to own it.
Your "seemer" needs recalibrated. And, again, nothing he said was biblical. One needs to read into what others say based on the big picture, not made statements.
Sorry, I'm not hoodwinked easily. I'm looking at the big picture, not just a post. You should learn to do the same. His teachings are heretical and when he says 'the law is the gateway to the kingdom' you should know what he means. You don't. Go read and comprehend.
This is false. You agreed with one who said these things, so, you said it as well. Go re-read your statements and look at the context.
Yeah, we all know about assuming, right?
His statements are heretical. His teachings are heretical. Try some context when reading his statements.
All you are trying to do is justify yourself. You lied and need to own it.
Okay brother, it is enough. I said my peace. If you don't see it, then you don't.
I really don't know who you mean when you say I knew they were lying, but it's okay. It is enough.
Don't want to make the last of your refeed day unpleasant. Are you stuffed yet?
I really don't know who you mean when you say I knew they were lying, but it's okay. It is enough.
Don't want to make the last of your refeed day unpleasant. Are you stuffed yet?
I asked the Lord for the way that I should go and He gave me one.
I actually have "abs" now...who knew?...lol ( I never saw them before in my life. I thought they had to be in there somewhere )
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Peter, I don't have any problem with speaking poetically, or metaphorically...
but I just want to point out a few things that might be causing confusion.
5 points then pizza.
1. When debating or studying doctrinal issues, we want to strive for as much clarity as possible, so we can all understand each other.
2. The clarity required, on scriptural issues, can get very technical, and can often hinge on all kinds of tiny semantics, like just the particular way a word is used "here" differently than over "there."
3. So in doctrinal study, or doctrinal debate, it's always necessary to stick as closely to scriptural text as possible, and be as clear and careful as possible with the biblical words... since it's the exact words of scripture which we need to study.
4. So, although it's perfectly fine to use poetic language and metaphor when encouraging and uplifting the brethren AFTER we've done our study... it's very confusing to everyone if we use metaphorical language DURING a study or DURING a debate.
5. I'm not making a case that anything you posted above is bad; I'm just pointing out that sometimes we say perfectly nice things at an unusual time or place, and it comes out confusing.
I do it all the time.
It happens.
So what's my point? It's all about pizza.
Sometime, here on CC, there are huge arguments over nothing but misunderstandings.
Someone will make a statement that can be seen different ways; these kinds of statements are like a pizza that's half pepperoni and half anchovy. And before you know it, two people are looking at the same pizza, arguing over whether or not it's a pepperoni pizza!
This kind of "pizza" argument happens every day.
It usually starts when the OP posts something that's unclear.
Sometimes it starts from a unclear comment.
However it starts, the "pizza" argument always starts when someone with good intentions makes the TINY mistake of just saying something that's a bit unclear, or doesn't fit the context of "study" and "debate."
Whenever I see these pizza things happen, I try to point them out.
My hope is we can get in the habit of going the extra mile, and trying to be EXTRA PRECISE when we're doing study or debate.
Half the time we're all just fighting over pizza.
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Peter, I don't have any problem with speaking poetically, or metaphorically...
but I just want to point out a few things that might be causing confusion.
5 points then pizza.
1. When debating or studying doctrinal issues, we want to strive for as much clarity as possible, so we can all understand each other.
2. The clarity required, on scriptural issues, can get very technical, and can often hinge on all kinds of tiny semantics, like just the particular way a word is used "here" differently than over "there."
3. So in doctrinal study, or doctrinal debate, it's always necessary to stick as closely to scriptural text as possible, and be as clear and careful as possible with the biblical words... since it's the exact words of scripture which we need to study.
4. So, although it's perfectly fine to use poetic language and metaphor when encouraging and uplifting the brethren AFTER we've done our study... it's very confusing to everyone if we use metaphorical language DURING a study or DURING a debate.
5. I'm not making a case that anything you posted above is bad; I'm just pointing out that sometimes we say perfectly nice things at an unusual time or place, and it comes out confusing.
I do it all the time.
It happens.
So what's my point? It's all about pizza.
Sometime, here on CC, there are huge arguments over nothing but misunderstandings.
Someone will make a statement that can be seen different ways; these kinds of statements are like a pizza that's half pepperoni and half anchovy. And before you know it, two people are looking at the same pizza, arguing over whether or not it's a pepperoni pizza!
This kind of "pizza" argument happens every day.
It usually starts when the OP posts something that's unclear.
Sometimes it starts from a unclear comment.
However it starts, the "pizza" argument always starts when someone with good intentions makes the TINY mistake of just saying something that's a bit unclear.
Whenever I see these pizza things happen, I try to point them out.
My hope is we can get in the habit of going the extra mile, and trying to be EXTRA PRECISE when we're doing study or debate.
Half the time we're all just fighting over pizza.
: )
but I just want to point out a few things that might be causing confusion.
5 points then pizza.
1. When debating or studying doctrinal issues, we want to strive for as much clarity as possible, so we can all understand each other.
2. The clarity required, on scriptural issues, can get very technical, and can often hinge on all kinds of tiny semantics, like just the particular way a word is used "here" differently than over "there."
3. So in doctrinal study, or doctrinal debate, it's always necessary to stick as closely to scriptural text as possible, and be as clear and careful as possible with the biblical words... since it's the exact words of scripture which we need to study.
4. So, although it's perfectly fine to use poetic language and metaphor when encouraging and uplifting the brethren AFTER we've done our study... it's very confusing to everyone if we use metaphorical language DURING a study or DURING a debate.
5. I'm not making a case that anything you posted above is bad; I'm just pointing out that sometimes we say perfectly nice things at an unusual time or place, and it comes out confusing.
I do it all the time.
It happens.
So what's my point? It's all about pizza.
Sometime, here on CC, there are huge arguments over nothing but misunderstandings.
Someone will make a statement that can be seen different ways; these kinds of statements are like a pizza that's half pepperoni and half anchovy. And before you know it, two people are looking at the same pizza, arguing over whether or not it's a pepperoni pizza!
This kind of "pizza" argument happens every day.
It usually starts when the OP posts something that's unclear.
Sometimes it starts from a unclear comment.
However it starts, the "pizza" argument always starts when someone with good intentions makes the TINY mistake of just saying something that's a bit unclear.
Whenever I see these pizza things happen, I try to point them out.
My hope is we can get in the habit of going the extra mile, and trying to be EXTRA PRECISE when we're doing study or debate.
Half the time we're all just fighting over pizza.
: )
But also, some people are psalmists rather than theologians. They speak more...psalmically? sometimes.
It's always okay to ask what scriptures they've drawn on. They probably assume it will be clear to others.
Since last June. Originally I was led to fast for 2 weeks. Then after that more understanding came in the way to go. From eating food choices to then eventually walking , then now lifting weights once a week and playing pickleball about 3x times per week.
The nutritional aspect of it is the most important part ( well after following what the Lord says for you to do - I think others He may have a different way for them to go. That's between them and Him )
It has been a steady progression - it isn't a diet - it's a lifestyle. There is a difference between the two things IMO.
The nutritional aspect of it is the most important part ( well after following what the Lord says for you to do - I think others He may have a different way for them to go. That's between them and Him )
It has been a steady progression - it isn't a diet - it's a lifestyle. There is a difference between the two things IMO.
That's what I say to mom. It's about lifestyle, not yo-yo diets. Because she does ok for awhile but then gets back to the same weight she was again so quickly. But I've seen that she needs some more structure than just portion control and I think your way might have that more so than mine. I'm going to tell her about it. I'll say it's called the...Dr, Bruce diet. If it has a name she'll love it. Anything but that nasty cabbage soup diet again! I hate to see her torture herself.
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What is interesting is the cohorts of those not actually interested in the subject
but waiting around to snipe.
My point actually has been proved, because there has been no answer.
The funny thing about victory is the defeated never admit it, they just are silent.
The power is in the fact they know they have to come out with some new positions
because the old ones have fallen apart.
I remember when to even suggest we could be pure and holy was like heresy.
Next the sermon on the mount was not for today.
The next is the old covenant is redundant and the new is totally different.
But in reality the new covenant is the moral law written on our hearts.
And from the look of it, not in quite a few contributors, lol.
Maybe I should take aim at this, the law is the tree of Knowledge and Christ is
the tree of life. Christ is a tree, and the law or book is a tree also (odd, Adam
and Eve eat a book )
I mean was Moses and Elijah born again? Must have been to appear on the
mountain of transfiguration.
but waiting around to snipe.
My point actually has been proved, because there has been no answer.
The funny thing about victory is the defeated never admit it, they just are silent.
The power is in the fact they know they have to come out with some new positions
because the old ones have fallen apart.
I remember when to even suggest we could be pure and holy was like heresy.
Next the sermon on the mount was not for today.
The next is the old covenant is redundant and the new is totally different.
But in reality the new covenant is the moral law written on our hearts.
And from the look of it, not in quite a few contributors, lol.
Maybe I should take aim at this, the law is the tree of Knowledge and Christ is
the tree of life. Christ is a tree, and the law or book is a tree also (odd, Adam
and Eve eat a book )
I mean was Moses and Elijah born again? Must have been to appear on the
mountain of transfiguration.
Could it be that you might be wrong in some of your assertations?
Have you changed or admited you were once wrong? Have you learned and grown?
I know I have from talking to people in this forum.
You present it as if learning and growing is something everyone else does and don't admit to having a need to learn and grow as well.
Does your belief system allow for your very human ability to be wrong about certain doctrines and ways of understanding scriptures or are you always 100% correct?
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How in the world did you get that from his post????
He says that only when people accept that God has forgiven them and that they are covered by the blood of Jesus can they begin to be healed and that good fruit comes after God has healed them and shown them how much He loves them.
G777 is posting about faith and grace in what God does for us.
It's not easy for most people to believ how much God truly loves them.
He says that only when people accept that God has forgiven them and that they are covered by the blood of Jesus can they begin to be healed and that good fruit comes after God has healed them and shown them how much He loves them.
G777 is posting about faith and grace in what God does for us.
It's not easy for most people to believ how much God truly loves them.
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If you truly believed this you would spend your time in other threads. The fact you post here shows nothing but that you are a hypocrite, giving people this advice but not following it,
.this showing you don't truly believe what you preach about leaving it in God's hands and not interacting with said person.
If God told me to leave a person alone, I would not be going and posting on their threads,
I would discuss whatever topic in another thread and just lay out the truth there. Thus giving people the truth but still obeying God and not interacting with people He said to avoid..,
.this showing you don't truly believe what you preach about leaving it in God's hands and not interacting with said person.
If God told me to leave a person alone, I would not be going and posting on their threads,
I would discuss whatever topic in another thread and just lay out the truth there. Thus giving people the truth but still obeying God and not interacting with people He said to avoid..,
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We can see it clearly and cover it in love and prayer.
God doesn't say go running and gossip about evryone else and their sins.
He said "love covers sin"
Yes that is a Bible verse, sure someone can quote it.
.it doesn't mean you make excuses or encourage people to keep sinning. It is more like when Jesus and Stephen prayed before dying "forgive them Father for they do not know what they do"
It is seeing people sinning and instead of condemning them, praying for them and forgiving them .,,istead of reacting by calling them names and insulting and cursing them or even telling them how much they hurt you....looking, listening and showing you love them by showing them you hear their cries of pain and though they hurt you, you love them as God loves you and can truly pray for their happiness and healing..
I have seen more change in peoples behaviors by accepting the tongue lashings and barbs with love and patience and prayer, than by rebuking them and trying to wrestle an apology from them,
Someone needs to stop talking about how we should be more like Christ and actually love what they preach.
Otherwise it's just more bickering and backbiting.,
Your post just eggs on the fight..,maybe mine are too...seems rather pointless to comment anymore.
God doesn't say go running and gossip about evryone else and their sins.
He said "love covers sin"
Yes that is a Bible verse, sure someone can quote it.
.it doesn't mean you make excuses or encourage people to keep sinning. It is more like when Jesus and Stephen prayed before dying "forgive them Father for they do not know what they do"
It is seeing people sinning and instead of condemning them, praying for them and forgiving them .,,istead of reacting by calling them names and insulting and cursing them or even telling them how much they hurt you....looking, listening and showing you love them by showing them you hear their cries of pain and though they hurt you, you love them as God loves you and can truly pray for their happiness and healing..
I have seen more change in peoples behaviors by accepting the tongue lashings and barbs with love and patience and prayer, than by rebuking them and trying to wrestle an apology from them,
Someone needs to stop talking about how we should be more like Christ and actually love what they preach.
Otherwise it's just more bickering and backbiting.,
Your post just eggs on the fight..,maybe mine are too...seems rather pointless to comment anymore.
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I have never heard anyone preach against emotions.
Jesus asks us all to do some general things like love our neighbors,worship God alone and not idols.
Howver, the Holy Spirit makes it more personal. He shows what we need to do personally everyday. He helps us become a new creation and tear down the spiritual strongholds that war against the k owledve of God.
Everyone has different strongholds that need tearing down.
Different wounds that need healing.
Different strength and spiritual gifts that need to be put to use for the glory of God.
Jesus asks us all to do some general things like love our neighbors,worship God alone and not idols.
Howver, the Holy Spirit makes it more personal. He shows what we need to do personally everyday. He helps us become a new creation and tear down the spiritual strongholds that war against the k owledve of God.
Everyone has different strongholds that need tearing down.
Different wounds that need healing.
Different strength and spiritual gifts that need to be put to use for the glory of God.
You know, it always perplexes me as to how my mother, who is not a believer, can see my own hypocrisies better than I can sometimes. I can literally be talking about how something is hypocritical and then find myself doing the very thing 5 minutes later! It's really weird isn't it? It leaves me dumbfounded sometimes. Always helps with humility though. No matter how much you grow in humility, He never stops teaching you that you still have a lack of it! I honestly think that none of the other virtues are gained without humility and that with humility, you have the other virtues. It's like...it's impossible to learn more humility and not gain an increase in all others. Humility is like the lynchpin virtue...
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Peter, I don't have any problem with speaking poetically, or metaphorically...
but I just want to point out a few things that might be causing confusion.
5 points then pizza.
1. When debating or studying doctrinal issues, we want to strive for as much clarity as possible, so we can all understand each other.
2. The clarity required, on scriptural issues, can get very technical, and can often hinge on all kinds of tiny semantics, like just the particular way a word is used "here" differently than over "there."
3. So in doctrinal study, or doctrinal debate, it's always necessary to stick as closely to scriptural text as possible, and be as clear and careful as possible with the biblical words... since it's the exact words of scripture which we need to study.
4. So, although it's perfectly fine to use poetic language and metaphor when encouraging and uplifting the brethren AFTER we've done our study... it's very confusing to everyone if we use metaphorical language DURING a study or DURING a debate.
5. I'm not making a case that anything you posted above is bad; I'm just pointing out that sometimes we say perfectly nice things at an unusual time or place, and it comes out confusing.
I do it all the time.
It happens.
So what's my point? It's all about pizza.
Sometime, here on CC, there are huge arguments over nothing but misunderstandings.
Someone will make a statement that can be seen different ways; these kinds of statements are like a pizza that's half pepperoni and half anchovy. And before you know it, two people are looking at the same pizza, arguing over whether or not it's a pepperoni pizza!
This kind of "pizza" argument happens every day.
It usually starts when the OP posts something that's unclear.
Sometimes it starts from a unclear comment.
However it starts, the "pizza" argument always starts when someone with good intentions makes the TINY mistake of just saying something that's a bit unclear, or doesn't fit the context of "study" and "debate."
Whenever I see these pizza things happen, I try to point them out.
My hope is we can get in the habit of going the extra mile, and trying to be EXTRA PRECISE when we're doing study or debate.
Half the time we're all just fighting over pizza.
: )
but I just want to point out a few things that might be causing confusion.
5 points then pizza.
1. When debating or studying doctrinal issues, we want to strive for as much clarity as possible, so we can all understand each other.
2. The clarity required, on scriptural issues, can get very technical, and can often hinge on all kinds of tiny semantics, like just the particular way a word is used "here" differently than over "there."
3. So in doctrinal study, or doctrinal debate, it's always necessary to stick as closely to scriptural text as possible, and be as clear and careful as possible with the biblical words... since it's the exact words of scripture which we need to study.
4. So, although it's perfectly fine to use poetic language and metaphor when encouraging and uplifting the brethren AFTER we've done our study... it's very confusing to everyone if we use metaphorical language DURING a study or DURING a debate.
5. I'm not making a case that anything you posted above is bad; I'm just pointing out that sometimes we say perfectly nice things at an unusual time or place, and it comes out confusing.
I do it all the time.
It happens.
So what's my point? It's all about pizza.
Sometime, here on CC, there are huge arguments over nothing but misunderstandings.
Someone will make a statement that can be seen different ways; these kinds of statements are like a pizza that's half pepperoni and half anchovy. And before you know it, two people are looking at the same pizza, arguing over whether or not it's a pepperoni pizza!
This kind of "pizza" argument happens every day.
It usually starts when the OP posts something that's unclear.
Sometimes it starts from a unclear comment.
However it starts, the "pizza" argument always starts when someone with good intentions makes the TINY mistake of just saying something that's a bit unclear, or doesn't fit the context of "study" and "debate."
Whenever I see these pizza things happen, I try to point them out.
My hope is we can get in the habit of going the extra mile, and trying to be EXTRA PRECISE when we're doing study or debate.
Half the time we're all just fighting over pizza.
: )
Excellent points.